.e., that the standards are bad BECAUSE the process was bad. If the standards are bad, then attack the standards, not the process.

That still doesn't make the Common Core standards a federal effort. They were not a federal effort, and they remain not a federal effort.

Anonymous wrote:
You misunderstand. It is impossible to make any major change in anything without major backlash.


What is wrong with a more incremental and reflective approach? Why is top down being done? It resonates the wrong way with teachers. Some things that are forced don't work (and have to be repealed). Repealing laws has happened more than a few times in the history of the US. There has to be ground support. If you want to get more kids to do better in school, work at your state and local level (especially your local level). And, please, don't hand them a test. There is real work and learning to be done.


What does any of this have to do with the Common Core standards? Especially given that the Common Core standards were a state effort, adopted (or not adopted) by the individual states?

Anonymous wrote:

What does any of this have to do with the Common Core standards? Especially given that the Common Core standards were a state effort, adopted (or not adopted) by the individual states?

Many states accepted CC as part of the waivers in order to get "Race to the Top" money.

States are dropping out of it now.

Anonymous wrote:

It would be just as valid to say: When you cannot defend what you believe, then attack the process. If you could defend it, you would not have to do that.

So, you are saying that valid attacks on the process is the same as personal attacks? Are you sure that is what you mean?

What does any of this have to do with the Common Core standards? Especially given that the Common Core standards were a state effort, adopted (or not adopted) by the individual states?

It would be just as valid to say: When you cannot defend what you believe, then attack the process. If you could defend it, you would not have to do that.

Anonymous wrote:

Great argument. When you cannot defend what you believe, then go on personal attacks. If you could defend it, you would not have to do that.

Anonymous wrote:

It wasn't "top-down" - it came out of the states. http://www.nga.org/files/live/sites/NGA/files/pdf/0812BENCHMARKING.PDF

And the only reason it became "political" is because ignorant right wing assholes who have for years been pushing for deregulation and small government have been deceiving the masses into believing that this is a "top down" push, likening it to ObamaCare for Education, desperately trying to drive hatred by spreading lies and trying to tie it to the Obama administration when in fact a.) NCLB and Common Core PREDATE the Obama Administration and b.) COMMON CORE AND PARCC ARE STATE INITIATIVES.

Those are the facts, which refute pretty much everything you say and everything you stand for.

LOL! Facts? Really?

I am not the PP, but yes, facts, really. These are facts:

1. There is plenty of talk about "ObamaCore".
2. There is plenty of right-wing funding against the Common Core.
3. The major political opposition to the Common Core standards comes from Republicans (see, for example, the House bill on NCLB: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-threatens-to-veto-gop-effort-to-overhaul-no-child-left-behind/2015/02/25/13766340-bd39-11e4-b274-e5209a3bc9a9_story.html )
3. NCLB is from 2001, when George W. Bush was president.
4. Work on the Common Core standards started before Obama was elected.
5. The Common Core standards were a state initiative.
6. The PARCC (and Smarter Balanced and individual state) tests are state initiatives.

It wasn't "top-down" - it came out of the states. http://www.nga.org/files/live/sites/NGA/files/pdf/0812BENCHMARKING.PDF

And the only reason it became "political" is because ignorant right wing assholes who have for years been pushing for deregulation and small government have been deceiving the masses into believing that this is a "top down" push, likening it to ObamaCare for Education, desperately trying to drive hatred by spreading lies and trying to tie it to the Obama administration when in fact a.) NCLB and Common Core PREDATE the Obama Administration and b.) COMMON CORE AND PARCC ARE STATE INITIATIVES.

Those are the facts, which refute pretty much everything you say and everything you stand for.

It wasn't "top-down" - it came out of the states. http://www.nga.org/files/live/sites/NGA/files/pdf/0812BENCHMARKING.PDF

And the only reason it became "political" is because ignorant right wing assholes who have for years been pushing for deregulation and small government have been deceiving the masses into believing that this is a "top down" push, likening it to ObamaCare for Education, desperately trying to drive hatred by spreading lies and trying to tie it to the Obama administration when in fact a.) NCLB and Common Core PREDATE the Obama Administration and b.) COMMON CORE AND PARCC ARE STATE INITIATIVES.

Those are the facts, which refute pretty much everything you say and everything you stand for.

Anonymous wrote:

You misunderstand. It is impossible to make any major change in anything without major backlash.

What is wrong with a more incremental and reflective approach? Why is top down being done? It resonates the wrong way with teachers. Some things that are forced don't work (and have to be repealed). Repealing laws has happened more than a few times in the history of the US. There has to be ground support. If you want to get more kids to do better in school, work at your state and local level (especially your local level). And, please, don't hand them a test. There is real work and learning to be done.

Anonymous wrote:WAPO says that Obama will veto the bill that Congress is passing to eliminate testing portion of NCLB. That's a shame. I think liberals and conservatives agree on that.

Anonymous wrote:

You misunderstand. It is impossible to make any major change in anything without major backlash.

What is wrong with a more incremental and reflective approach? Why is top down being done? It resonates the wrong way with teachers. Some things that are forced don't work (and have to be repealed). Repealing laws has happened more than a few times in the history of the US. There has to be ground support. If you want to get more kids to do better in school, work at your state and local level (especially your local level). And, please, don't hand them a test. There is real work and learning to be done.