Anonymous wrote:not meaningful. a lot of people would put ND, CMU, UVA or Georgetown over Tufts, USC, Texas, Wellesley or Barnard.

I mean .. Tufts? Really?

Anonymous wrote:My kid went to Regis. Not sure why people care if we name schools on an anon forum.

When it comes to college process:

Good: They limit college apps. Parents really dislike this at first and, I think, mostly like it. In every class, there are 10 superstars who could get into every college. This limits those people from gobbling up 200 seats at the top college.

Good: They limit college apps. Again, kids think they need 4 safeties. You need 1 or maybe 2. And all *well done* apps take way longer than you think. Hours and hours.

Okay: List building. The counselors are not equally good and they dont know your kids. You're better off doing this yourself and having them fine-tune. If people use outside counselors, this and essays are where it's helpful

Good; LOR. the counselors know how to do this, I think. And teachers are mostly good too.

Good: No steering. Nobody is saying, dont apply to Harvard.

Good: Self-steering. The kids are very well aware who is legacy, who is QB, who is a lock and if there are 3 or 4 of them applying to Yale, they will often rethink their own chances. Nobody is hiding information. As far as I can tell.

Good: They do essays junior year as an assignment. Tons of kids rewrite, but there's one there if they need it.

Bad: I think the school assumes more people know Regis outside the catholic and regional world than really do. ND knows Regis. Georgia Tech does not. (Good: they reworked the profile recently and I think this was an acknowledgement of that fact)

Bad: extreme grade deflation. You need a 97 to get an A/4.0. It's hard on kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Only these schools changed adding MIT: Spence +1, Dalton +1, Regis +2, Hunter +2, Fieldston +1.

Also added Hunter, Browning, and Dwight-Englewood

School (N): Ivy+WASP; H/Y/P/S/M; Ivy+

Brearley (46): 36 (78%); 14 (30%); 32 (70%)
Spence (64): 41 (64%); 12 (19%); 38 (59%)
Chapin (52): 32 (62%); 6 (12%); 28 (54%)
Dalton (59): 33 (56%); 13 (22%); 32 (54%)
Saint Ann's (73): 36 (49%); 7 (10%); 27 (37%)
Horace Mann (131): 64 (49%); 6 (5%); 63 (48%)
Trinity (109): 52 (48%); 13 (12%); 49 (45%)
Regis (79): 35 (44%); 6 (8%); 29 (37%)
Nightingale (57): 24 (42%); 1 (2%); 22 (39%)
Riverdale (128): 53 (41%); 11 (9%); 48 (38%)
Hunter (114): 46 (40%); 12 (11%); 42 (37%)
Browning (27): 10 (37%); 2 (7%); 10 (37%)
Packer (92): 28 (30%); 3 (3%); 23 (25%)
Fieldston (141): 42 (30%); 12 (9%); 40 (28%)
Friends Seminary (39): 11 (28%); 2 (5%); 10 (26%)
CGPS (119): 32 (27%); 3 (3%); 28 (24%)
Dwight-Englewood (124): 31 (25%); 8 (6%); 28 (23%)
Avenues (91): 21 (23%); 4 (4%); 20 (22%)
Trevor (87): 16 (18%); 1 (1%); 16 (18%)
Berkeley Carroll (77): 14 (18%); 0 (0%); 9 (12%)
Poly Prep (123): 22 (18%); 2 (2%); 22 (18%)
Grace Church (80): 14 (18%); 1 (1%); 13 (16%)
Sacred Heart (61): 10 (16%); 2 (3%); 10 (16%)
Marymount (70): 8 (11%); 1 (1%); 7 (10%)
Brooklyn Friends (48): 5 (10%); 0 (0%); 3 (6%)

H/Y/P/S/M = Harvard + Yale + Princeton + Stanford + MIT
Ivy+ = Ivy League + Stanford + MIT + Caltech + UChicago + Duke + Johns Hopkins + Northwestern + Vanderbilt
Ivy+WASP = Ivy+ + Williams + Amherst + Swarthmore + Pomona

Actual data from schools' websites. 5 year averages where available, otherwise, latest year(s) available averaged.

School N/yr Ivy+WASP H/Y/P/S/M Ivy+ Years (Averaged)
Brearley 61 60% 19% 53% 2021-2025
Spence 64 54% 17% 50% 2021-2025
Dalton 87 52% 16% 48% 2019-2024
Riverdale 116 46% 11% 43% 2020-2025
Saint Ann's 86 45% 13% 35% 2024-2025
Chapin 60 43% 11% 38% 2021-2025
Nightingale 57 33% 6% 28% 2021-2025
Fieldston 120 28% 3% 24% 2020-2025
Browning 25 25% 3% 23% 2021-2025
Regis 130 25% 6% 22% 2022-2025
Friends Seminary 74 24% 5% 21% 2021-2025
Packer 96 19% 5% 16% 2021-2025
Avenues 91 19% 3% 17% 2023
Dwight-Englewood 124 17% 3% 16% 2023-2025
Sacred Heart 56 16% 3% 15% 2021-2025
Poly Prep 128 15% 2% 12% 2021-2025
Marymount 50 14% 3% 13% 2020-2024

Horace Mann 180 42% 6% 42% 2023-2025 *** lower bound; missing Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Amherst, Williams; <5 students

BCS, BFS, CGPS, GCS, Hunter, Trevor, Trinity don't report #s, just schools.

Woow this is much more meaningful data! Thanks for putting this together

she still won't add the other colleges. this is Ivy+ or bust mom!

What's your guess which schools move up and which move down if she added 5-10 more schools? I can't imagine much changes.

it changes the data to show how broadly the schools do - this Ivy plus WASP is a very tight definition.

For example, CGPS has 67 kids (out of 120) going to the ivy plus wasp PLUS - emory, washu, berkley, ucla, michigan, texas, rice (and i think i included tufts and usc in here as well).

versus 32 i believe they had for ivy plus wasp. so another 25% (35 kids) or so going to what most would say are really good schools.

if you just use the ivy plus wasp you are really just narrowing now the list and of course the top schools will be doing better.

These are really excellent schools. I'd agree adding them but they are also not difficult to get into from NYC schools.
Many T2 send multiple students to Emory, WashU, Michigan each year.
Same thing for LACs, why only WASP? Wellesley, Barnard, Bowdoin are all excellent schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t bring it up in the conversation with the teacher — I think thinking about this stuff that young is basically stupid. I have been surprised by how young the kids are when they start worrying about it. My kid only knows where I went to University because the kids asked her to ask me in fourth grade. They told her she was lucky she had a double legacy. I told her to learn her multiplication tables.

If college admissions is why you are there, the numbers don’t tell the whole story, and you need to know that to play and win the game.
You can believe in the integrity of the Ivy League admissions process all you want, but that’s not going to win you a slot. Ask questions, be quiet, listen to people talk. This stuff is pretty easy to suss out. It is something TT actively discuss and complain about if they think you are safe to vent to. Some embrace it as a fundraising tool, some secretly hate it, but it’s an active part of K12 life.

You can tell your kid’s place in class because they put out a list. It’s called an honor roll.

Ummmm...what K-12 NYC private school has an honor roll? For that matter, I don't know top public elementary schools that have them?!

None. It’s all rage bait. No 2nd grade teacher is advising a parent to change schools if X college is your top choice. No 4th grader doesn’t know their multiplication tables. No honor roll.

it's just another way of saying don't send your daughter to Brearley.

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Especially if said daughter is a double Harvard legacy who will be forced to bear the envy of fourth graders only to be later “unsupported” in the college application process because the school only cares about wealthy donor families or something.

Does Ivy legacy really mean much? My child's EC is full of them. It is less common to meet someone from a public university.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t bring it up in the conversation with the teacher — I think thinking about this stuff that young is basically stupid. I have been surprised by how young the kids are when they start worrying about it. My kid only knows where I went to University because the kids asked her to ask me in fourth grade. They told her she was lucky she had a double legacy. I told her to learn her multiplication tables.

If college admissions is why you are there, the numbers don’t tell the whole story, and you need to know that to play and win the game.
You can believe in the integrity of the Ivy League admissions process all you want, but that’s not going to win you a slot. Ask questions, be quiet, listen to people talk. This stuff is pretty easy to suss out. It is something TT actively discuss and complain about if they think you are safe to vent to. Some embrace it as a fundraising tool, some secretly hate it, but it’s an active part of K12 life.

You can tell your kid’s place in class because they put out a list. It’s called an honor roll.

Ummmm...what K-12 NYC private school has an honor roll? For that matter, I don't know top public elementary schools that have them?!

None. It’s all rage bait. No 2nd grade teacher is advising a parent to change schools if X college is your top choice. No 4th grader doesn’t know their multiplication tables. No honor roll.

it's just another way of saying don't send your daughter to Brearley.

.

Especially if said daughter is a double Harvard legacy who will be forced to bear the envy of fourth graders only to be later “unsupported” in the college application process because the school only cares about wealthy donor families or something.

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Anonymous wrote:Only these schools changed adding MIT: Spence +1, Dalton +1, Regis +2, Hunter +2, Fieldston +1.

Also added Hunter, Browning, and Dwight-Englewood

School (N): Ivy+WASP; H/Y/P/S/M; Ivy+

Brearley (46): 36 (78%); 14 (30%); 32 (70%)
Spence (64): 41 (64%); 12 (19%); 38 (59%)
Chapin (52): 32 (62%); 6 (12%); 28 (54%)
Dalton (59): 33 (56%); 13 (22%); 32 (54%)
Saint Ann's (73): 36 (49%); 7 (10%); 27 (37%)
Horace Mann (131): 64 (49%); 6 (5%); 63 (48%)
Trinity (109): 52 (48%); 13 (12%); 49 (45%)
Regis (79): 35 (44%); 6 (8%); 29 (37%)
Nightingale (57): 24 (42%); 1 (2%); 22 (39%)
Riverdale (128): 53 (41%); 11 (9%); 48 (38%)
Hunter (114): 46 (40%); 12 (11%); 42 (37%)
Browning (27): 10 (37%); 2 (7%); 10 (37%)
Packer (92): 28 (30%); 3 (3%); 23 (25%)
Fieldston (141): 42 (30%); 12 (9%); 40 (28%)
Friends Seminary (39): 11 (28%); 2 (5%); 10 (26%)
CGPS (119): 32 (27%); 3 (3%); 28 (24%)
Dwight-Englewood (124): 31 (25%); 8 (6%); 28 (23%)
Avenues (91): 21 (23%); 4 (4%); 20 (22%)
Trevor (87): 16 (18%); 1 (1%); 16 (18%)
Berkeley Carroll (77): 14 (18%); 0 (0%); 9 (12%)
Poly Prep (123): 22 (18%); 2 (2%); 22 (18%)
Grace Church (80): 14 (18%); 1 (1%); 13 (16%)
Sacred Heart (61): 10 (16%); 2 (3%); 10 (16%)
Marymount (70): 8 (11%); 1 (1%); 7 (10%)
Brooklyn Friends (48): 5 (10%); 0 (0%); 3 (6%)

H/Y/P/S/M = Harvard + Yale + Princeton + Stanford + MIT
Ivy+ = Ivy League + Stanford + MIT + Caltech + UChicago + Duke + Johns Hopkins + Northwestern + Vanderbilt
Ivy+WASP = Ivy+ + Williams + Amherst + Swarthmore + Pomona

Actual data from schools' websites. 5 year averages where available, otherwise, latest year(s) available averaged.

School N/yr Ivy+WASP H/Y/P/S/M Ivy+ Years (Averaged)
Brearley 61 60% 19% 53% 2021-2025
Spence 64 54% 17% 50% 2021-2025
Dalton 87 52% 16% 48% 2019-2024
Riverdale 116 46% 11% 43% 2020-2025
Saint Ann's 86 45% 13% 35% 2024-2025
Chapin 60 43% 11% 38% 2021-2025
Nightingale 57 33% 6% 28% 2021-2025
Fieldston 120 28% 3% 24% 2020-2025
Browning 25 25% 3% 23% 2021-2025
Regis 130 25% 6% 22% 2022-2025
Friends Seminary 74 24% 5% 21% 2021-2025
Packer 96 19% 5% 16% 2021-2025
Avenues 91 19% 3% 17% 2023
Dwight-Englewood 124 17% 3% 16% 2023-2025
Sacred Heart 56 16% 3% 15% 2021-2025
Poly Prep 128 15% 2% 12% 2021-2025
Marymount 50 14% 3% 13% 2020-2024

Horace Mann 180 42% 6% 42% 2023-2025 *** lower bound; missing Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Amherst, Williams; <5 students

BCS, BFS, CGPS, GCS, Hunter, Trevor, Trinity don't report #s, just schools.

Woow this is much more meaningful data! Thanks for putting this together

she still won't add the other colleges. this is Ivy+ or bust mom!

What's your guess which schools move up and which move down if she added 5-10 more schools? I can't imagine much changes.

it changes the data to show how broadly the schools do - this Ivy plus WASP is a very tight definition.

For example, CGPS has 67 kids (out of 120) going to the ivy plus wasp PLUS - emory, washu, berkley, ucla, michigan, texas, rice (and i think i included tufts and usc in here as well).

versus 32 i believe they had for ivy plus wasp. so another 25% (35 kids) or so going to what most would say are really good schools.

if you just use the ivy plus wasp you are really just narrowing now the list and of course the top schools will be doing better.

These are really excellent schools. I'd agree adding them but they are also not difficult to get into from NYC schools.
Many T2 send multiple students to Emory, WashU, Michigan each year.
Same thing for LACs, why only WASP? Wellesley, Barnard, Bowdoin are all excellent schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t bring it up in the conversation with the teacher — I think thinking about this stuff that young is basically stupid. I have been surprised by how young the kids are when they start worrying about it. My kid only knows where I went to University because the kids asked her to ask me in fourth grade. They told her she was lucky she had a double legacy. I told her to learn her multiplication tables.

If college admissions is why you are there, the numbers don’t tell the whole story, and you need to know that to play and win the game.
You can believe in the integrity of the Ivy League admissions process all you want, but that’s not going to win you a slot. Ask questions, be quiet, listen to people talk. This stuff is pretty easy to suss out. It is something TT actively discuss and complain about if they think you are safe to vent to. Some embrace it as a fundraising tool, some secretly hate it, but it’s an active part of K12 life.

You can tell your kid’s place in class because they put out a list. It’s called an honor roll.

Ummmm...what K-12 NYC private school has an honor roll? For that matter, I don't know top public elementary schools that have them?!

None. It’s all rage bait. No 2nd grade teacher is advising a parent to change schools if X college is your top choice. No 4th grader doesn’t know their multiplication tables. No honor roll.

it's just another way of saying don't send your daughter to Brearley.

.

Especially if said daughter is a double Harvard legacy who will be forced to bear the envy of fourth graders only to be later “unsupported” in the college application process because the school only cares about wealthy donor families or something.

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Anonymous wrote:Only these schools changed adding MIT: Spence +1, Dalton +1, Regis +2, Hunter +2, Fieldston +1.

Also added Hunter, Browning, and Dwight-Englewood

School (N): Ivy+WASP; H/Y/P/S/M; Ivy+

Brearley (46): 36 (78%); 14 (30%); 32 (70%)
Spence (64): 41 (64%); 12 (19%); 38 (59%)
Chapin (52): 32 (62%); 6 (12%); 28 (54%)
Dalton (59): 33 (56%); 13 (22%); 32 (54%)
Saint Ann's (73): 36 (49%); 7 (10%); 27 (37%)
Horace Mann (131): 64 (49%); 6 (5%); 63 (48%)
Trinity (109): 52 (48%); 13 (12%); 49 (45%)
Regis (79): 35 (44%); 6 (8%); 29 (37%)
Nightingale (57): 24 (42%); 1 (2%); 22 (39%)
Riverdale (128): 53 (41%); 11 (9%); 48 (38%)
Hunter (114): 46 (40%); 12 (11%); 42 (37%)
Browning (27): 10 (37%); 2 (7%); 10 (37%)
Packer (92): 28 (30%); 3 (3%); 23 (25%)
Fieldston (141): 42 (30%); 12 (9%); 40 (28%)
Friends Seminary (39): 11 (28%); 2 (5%); 10 (26%)
CGPS (119): 32 (27%); 3 (3%); 28 (24%)
Dwight-Englewood (124): 31 (25%); 8 (6%); 28 (23%)
Avenues (91): 21 (23%); 4 (4%); 20 (22%)
Trevor (87): 16 (18%); 1 (1%); 16 (18%)
Berkeley Carroll (77): 14 (18%); 0 (0%); 9 (12%)
Poly Prep (123): 22 (18%); 2 (2%); 22 (18%)
Grace Church (80): 14 (18%); 1 (1%); 13 (16%)
Sacred Heart (61): 10 (16%); 2 (3%); 10 (16%)
Marymount (70): 8 (11%); 1 (1%); 7 (10%)
Brooklyn Friends (48): 5 (10%); 0 (0%); 3 (6%)

H/Y/P/S/M = Harvard + Yale + Princeton + Stanford + MIT
Ivy+ = Ivy League + Stanford + MIT + Caltech + UChicago + Duke + Johns Hopkins + Northwestern + Vanderbilt
Ivy+WASP = Ivy+ + Williams + Amherst + Swarthmore + Pomona

Actual data from schools' websites. 5 year averages where available, otherwise, latest year(s) available averaged.

School N/yr Ivy+WASP H/Y/P/S/M Ivy+ Years (Averaged)
Brearley 61 60% 19% 53% 2021-2025
Spence 64 54% 17% 50% 2021-2025
Dalton 87 52% 16% 48% 2019-2024
Riverdale 116 46% 11% 43% 2020-2025
Saint Ann's 86 45% 13% 35% 2024-2025
Chapin 60 43% 11% 38% 2021-2025
Nightingale 57 33% 6% 28% 2021-2025
Fieldston 120 28% 3% 24% 2020-2025
Browning 25 25% 3% 23% 2021-2025
Regis 130 25% 6% 22% 2022-2025
Friends Seminary 74 24% 5% 21% 2021-2025
Packer 96 19% 5% 16% 2021-2025
Avenues 91 19% 3% 17% 2023
Dwight-Englewood 124 17% 3% 16% 2023-2025
Sacred Heart 56 16% 3% 15% 2021-2025
Poly Prep 128 15% 2% 12% 2021-2025
Marymount 50 14% 3% 13% 2020-2024

Horace Mann 180 42% 6% 42% 2023-2025 *** lower bound; missing Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Amherst, Williams; <5 students

BCS, BFS, CGPS, GCS, Hunter, Trevor, Trinity don't report #s, just schools.

Woow this is much more meaningful data! Thanks for putting this together

she still won't add the other colleges. this is Ivy+ or bust mom!

What's your guess which schools move up and which move down if she added 5-10 more schools? I can't imagine much changes.

it changes the data to show how broadly the schools do - this Ivy plus WASP is a very tight definition.

For example, CGPS has 67 kids (out of 120) going to the ivy plus wasp PLUS - emory, washu, berkley, ucla, michigan, texas, rice (and i think i included tufts and usc in here as well).

versus 32 i believe they had for ivy plus wasp. so another 25% (35 kids) or so going to what most would say are really good schools.

if you just use the ivy plus wasp you are really just narrowing now the list and of course the top schools will be doing better.

These are really excellent schools. I'd agree adding them but they are also not difficult to get into from NYC schools.
Many T2 send multiple students to Emory, WashU, Michigan each year.
Same thing for LACs, why only WASP? Wellesley, Barnard, Bowdoin are all excellent schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t bring it up in the conversation with the teacher — I think thinking about this stuff that young is basically stupid. I have been surprised by how young the kids are when they start worrying about it. My kid only knows where I went to University because the kids asked her to ask me in fourth grade. They told her she was lucky she had a double legacy. I told her to learn her multiplication tables.

If college admissions is why you are there, the numbers don’t tell the whole story, and you need to know that to play and win the game.
You can believe in the integrity of the Ivy League admissions process all you want, but that’s not going to win you a slot. Ask questions, be quiet, listen to people talk. This stuff is pretty easy to suss out. It is something TT actively discuss and complain about if they think you are safe to vent to. Some embrace it as a fundraising tool, some secretly hate it, but it’s an active part of K12 life.

You can tell your kid’s place in class because they put out a list. It’s called an honor roll.

Ummmm...what K-12 NYC private school has an honor roll? For that matter, I don't know top public elementary schools that have them?!

None. It’s all rage bait. No 2nd grade teacher is advising a parent to change schools if X college is your top choice. No 4th grader doesn’t know their multiplication tables. No honor roll.

it's just another way of saying don't send your daughter to Brearley.

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Anonymous wrote:Only these schools changed adding MIT: Spence +1, Dalton +1, Regis +2, Hunter +2, Fieldston +1.

Also added Hunter, Browning, and Dwight-Englewood

School (N): Ivy+WASP; H/Y/P/S/M; Ivy+

Brearley (46): 36 (78%); 14 (30%); 32 (70%)
Spence (64): 41 (64%); 12 (19%); 38 (59%)
Chapin (52): 32 (62%); 6 (12%); 28 (54%)
Dalton (59): 33 (56%); 13 (22%); 32 (54%)
Saint Ann's (73): 36 (49%); 7 (10%); 27 (37%)
Horace Mann (131): 64 (49%); 6 (5%); 63 (48%)
Trinity (109): 52 (48%); 13 (12%); 49 (45%)
Regis (79): 35 (44%); 6 (8%); 29 (37%)
Nightingale (57): 24 (42%); 1 (2%); 22 (39%)
Riverdale (128): 53 (41%); 11 (9%); 48 (38%)
Hunter (114): 46 (40%); 12 (11%); 42 (37%)
Browning (27): 10 (37%); 2 (7%); 10 (37%)
Packer (92): 28 (30%); 3 (3%); 23 (25%)
Fieldston (141): 42 (30%); 12 (9%); 40 (28%)
Friends Seminary (39): 11 (28%); 2 (5%); 10 (26%)
CGPS (119): 32 (27%); 3 (3%); 28 (24%)
Dwight-Englewood (124): 31 (25%); 8 (6%); 28 (23%)
Avenues (91): 21 (23%); 4 (4%); 20 (22%)
Trevor (87): 16 (18%); 1 (1%); 16 (18%)
Berkeley Carroll (77): 14 (18%); 0 (0%); 9 (12%)
Poly Prep (123): 22 (18%); 2 (2%); 22 (18%)
Grace Church (80): 14 (18%); 1 (1%); 13 (16%)
Sacred Heart (61): 10 (16%); 2 (3%); 10 (16%)
Marymount (70): 8 (11%); 1 (1%); 7 (10%)
Brooklyn Friends (48): 5 (10%); 0 (0%); 3 (6%)

H/Y/P/S/M = Harvard + Yale + Princeton + Stanford + MIT
Ivy+ = Ivy League + Stanford + MIT + Caltech + UChicago + Duke + Johns Hopkins + Northwestern + Vanderbilt
Ivy+WASP = Ivy+ + Williams + Amherst + Swarthmore + Pomona

Actual data from schools' websites. 5 year averages where available, otherwise, latest year(s) available averaged.

School N/yr Ivy+WASP H/Y/P/S/M Ivy+ Years (Averaged)
Brearley 61 60% 19% 53% 2021-2025
Spence 64 54% 17% 50% 2021-2025
Dalton 87 52% 16% 48% 2019-2024
Riverdale 116 46% 11% 43% 2020-2025
Saint Ann's 86 45% 13% 35% 2024-2025
Chapin 60 43% 11% 38% 2021-2025
Nightingale 57 33% 6% 28% 2021-2025
Fieldston 120 28% 3% 24% 2020-2025
Browning 25 25% 3% 23% 2021-2025
Regis 130 25% 6% 22% 2022-2025
Friends Seminary 74 24% 5% 21% 2021-2025
Packer 96 19% 5% 16% 2021-2025
Avenues 91 19% 3% 17% 2023
Dwight-Englewood 124 17% 3% 16% 2023-2025
Sacred Heart 56 16% 3% 15% 2021-2025
Poly Prep 128 15% 2% 12% 2021-2025
Marymount 50 14% 3% 13% 2020-2024

Horace Mann 180 42% 6% 42% 2023-2025 *** lower bound; missing Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Amherst, Williams; <5 students

BCS, BFS, CGPS, GCS, Hunter, Trevor, Trinity don't report #s, just schools.

Woow this is much more meaningful data! Thanks for putting this together

she still won't add the other colleges. this is Ivy+ or bust mom!

What's your guess which schools move up and which move down if she added 5-10 more schools? I can't imagine much changes.

it changes the data to show how broadly the schools do - this Ivy plus WASP is a very tight definition.

For example, CGPS has 67 kids (out of 120) going to the ivy plus wasp PLUS - emory, washu, berkley, ucla, michigan, texas, rice (and i think i included tufts and usc in here as well).

versus 32 i believe they had for ivy plus wasp. so another 25% (35 kids) or so going to what most would say are really good schools.

if you just use the ivy plus wasp you are really just narrowing now the list and of course the top schools will be doing better.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t bring it up in the conversation with the teacher — I think thinking about this stuff that young is basically stupid. I have been surprised by how young the kids are when they start worrying about it. My kid only knows where I went to University because the kids asked her to ask me in fourth grade. They told her she was lucky she had a double legacy. I told her to learn her multiplication tables.

If college admissions is why you are there, the numbers don’t tell the whole story, and you need to know that to play and win the game.
You can believe in the integrity of the Ivy League admissions process all you want, but that’s not going to win you a slot. Ask questions, be quiet, listen to people talk. This stuff is pretty easy to suss out. It is something TT actively discuss and complain about if they think you are safe to vent to. Some embrace it as a fundraising tool, some secretly hate it, but it’s an active part of K12 life.

You can tell your kid’s place in class because they put out a list. It’s called an honor roll.

Ummmm...what K-12 NYC private school has an honor roll? For that matter, I don't know top public elementary schools that have them?!

None. It’s all rage bait. No 2nd grade teacher is advising a parent to change schools if X college is your top choice. No 4th grader doesn’t know their multiplication tables. No honor roll.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t bring it up in the conversation with the teacher — I think thinking about this stuff that young is basically stupid. I have been surprised by how young the kids are when they start worrying about it. My kid only knows where I went to University because the kids asked her to ask me in fourth grade. They told her she was lucky she had a double legacy. I told her to learn her multiplication tables.

If college admissions is why you are there, the numbers don’t tell the whole story, and you need to know that to play and win the game.
You can believe in the integrity of the Ivy League admissions process all you want, but that’s not going to win you a slot. Ask questions, be quiet, listen to people talk. This stuff is pretty easy to suss out. It is something TT actively discuss and complain about if they think you are safe to vent to. Some embrace it as a fundraising tool, some secretly hate it, but it’s an active part of K12 life.

You can tell your kid’s place in class because they put out a list. It’s called an honor roll.

Ummmm...what K-12 NYC private school has an honor roll? For that matter, I don't know top public elementary schools that have them?!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only these schools changed adding MIT: Spence +1, Dalton +1, Regis +2, Hunter +2, Fieldston +1.

Also added Hunter, Browning, and Dwight-Englewood

School (N): Ivy+WASP; H/Y/P/S/M; Ivy+

Brearley (46): 36 (78%); 14 (30%); 32 (70%)
Spence (64): 41 (64%); 12 (19%); 38 (59%)
Chapin (52): 32 (62%); 6 (12%); 28 (54%)
Dalton (59): 33 (56%); 13 (22%); 32 (54%)
Saint Ann's (73): 36 (49%); 7 (10%); 27 (37%)
Horace Mann (131): 64 (49%); 6 (5%); 63 (48%)
Trinity (109): 52 (48%); 13 (12%); 49 (45%)
Regis (79): 35 (44%); 6 (8%); 29 (37%)
Nightingale (57): 24 (42%); 1 (2%); 22 (39%)
Riverdale (128): 53 (41%); 11 (9%); 48 (38%)
Hunter (114): 46 (40%); 12 (11%); 42 (37%)
Browning (27): 10 (37%); 2 (7%); 10 (37%)
Packer (92): 28 (30%); 3 (3%); 23 (25%)
Fieldston (141): 42 (30%); 12 (9%); 40 (28%)
Friends Seminary (39): 11 (28%); 2 (5%); 10 (26%)
CGPS (119): 32 (27%); 3 (3%); 28 (24%)
Dwight-Englewood (124): 31 (25%); 8 (6%); 28 (23%)
Avenues (91): 21 (23%); 4 (4%); 20 (22%)
Trevor (87): 16 (18%); 1 (1%); 16 (18%)
Berkeley Carroll (77): 14 (18%); 0 (0%); 9 (12%)
Poly Prep (123): 22 (18%); 2 (2%); 22 (18%)
Grace Church (80): 14 (18%); 1 (1%); 13 (16%)
Sacred Heart (61): 10 (16%); 2 (3%); 10 (16%)
Marymount (70): 8 (11%); 1 (1%); 7 (10%)
Brooklyn Friends (48): 5 (10%); 0 (0%); 3 (6%)

H/Y/P/S/M = Harvard + Yale + Princeton + Stanford + MIT
Ivy+ = Ivy League + Stanford + MIT + Caltech + UChicago + Duke + Johns Hopkins + Northwestern + Vanderbilt
Ivy+WASP = Ivy+ + Williams + Amherst + Swarthmore + Pomona

Actual data from schools' websites. 5 year averages where available, otherwise, latest year(s) available averaged.

School N/yr Ivy+WASP H/Y/P/S/M Ivy+ Years (Averaged)
Brearley 61 60% 19% 53% 2021-2025
Spence 64 54% 17% 50% 2021-2025
Dalton 87 52% 16% 48% 2019-2024
Riverdale 116 46% 11% 43% 2020-2025
Saint Ann's 86 45% 13% 35% 2024-2025
Chapin 60 43% 11% 38% 2021-2025
Nightingale 57 33% 6% 28% 2021-2025
Fieldston 120 28% 3% 24% 2020-2025
Browning 25 25% 3% 23% 2021-2025
Regis 130 25% 6% 22% 2022-2025
Friends Seminary 74 24% 5% 21% 2021-2025
Packer 96 19% 5% 16% 2021-2025
Avenues 91 19% 3% 17% 2023
Dwight-Englewood 124 17% 3% 16% 2023-2025
Sacred Heart 56 16% 3% 15% 2021-2025
Poly Prep 128 15% 2% 12% 2021-2025
Marymount 50 14% 3% 13% 2020-2024

Horace Mann 180 42% 6% 42% 2023-2025 *** lower bound; missing Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Amherst, Williams; <5 students

BCS, BFS, CGPS, GCS, Hunter, Trevor, Trinity don't report #s, just schools.

Woow this is much more meaningful data! Thanks for putting this together

she still won't add the other colleges. this is Ivy+ or bust mom!

What's your guess which schools move up and which move down if she added 5-10 more schools? I can't imagine much changes.