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Anonymous wrote:I like to see the debate about Langdon and Santos.

I will probably get some negative reactions for saying this, but I find everything about Langdon's character written and set up to invite sympathy for him, to include that he's a good looking straight white guy with a family. I think by the rules of our culture Langdon gets a massive pass right there.

I think the show is asking us to examine that - you saw how shocked Al Hashimi was when she was told of Langdon's history (and was she even told all of it)? And the rest of the ER doesn't know.

If Langdon had tried to gaslight Dana would he still be there?

It's an interesting pecking order/sociological issue and experiment.

NP here. I agree.

Also the way Dana is being treated by Dr. Robby. She was previously violently assaulted and there are increased safety measures for nurses in the almost 1 year since it happened. And she rushes to protect Emma (the only one) and Robby treats her horribly. But Langdon gets the pass?

Robby was right to get mad at her. This is her second time during her shift using unauthorized meds. First she asks for a prescription that she gives to someone else. And now she used a sedative on a patient and could have injured him which would have placed the hospital in big trouble. Emma should have been nowhere near a volatile patient on her first day and without supervision. She’s supposed to be shadowing Dana.

Patient had not been volatile in the hospital (only on golf course and in ambulance). She absolutely should have used the sedative on the big guy who had Emma in a chokehold and could have killed her. KILLED HER. The first script was for nicotine gum. Seriously.

Patient was known to be volatile. A newbie shadowing a nurse shouldn’t have been alone in there in the first place. Dana did what she had to do but it could have placed the hospital in a pickle. She happened to have Versed in her pocket? Maybe Robbie is sick of people not following protocol.

Dana committee insurance fraud earlier. Not cool.

Why do the men get a pass? Robby gets his friend to come into the ER to skip the huge line of people waiting so he can get a scan for possible lung cancer? How is this ER worthy? It’s not, Robby just wanted his friend to get taken care of before he went on his sabbatical vs the friend seeing specialists in a regular doctor’s appointment? And then then Robby making the executive decisions to NOT turn in Langdon for his many crimes of stealing drugs and tampering with medication. But it’s ok when Robby does it? GTFOH.

What was Dana supposed to do? Fill out a form, ask for a sign off while Emma died in a choke hold? I assume Dana keeps those meds in her pocket as some sort of protection against her getting assaulted again because she knows ain’t no one else coming to save her in time (look at your attitude towards it, she didn’t follow protocol, etc.). I think the bigger discussion is why the head nurse feels so unprotected that she needs that, not that Dana is a bad nurse for having it. Talk to someone who actually works in a hospital esp an ER or med surge. What are their biggest complaints? What makes them feel unsafe?

Whoa you are way out of line. GTFOH? I didn’t say any of that was ok. Robby probably has misplaced anger from Langdon. He now is going to be a stickler for protocol.

Seek help for your misplaced anger. This is a tv show for Christ's sake.

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Anonymous wrote:I like to see the debate about Langdon and Santos.

I will probably get some negative reactions for saying this, but I find everything about Langdon's character written and set up to invite sympathy for him, to include that he's a good looking straight white guy with a family. I think by the rules of our culture Langdon gets a massive pass right there.

I think the show is asking us to examine that - you saw how shocked Al Hashimi was when she was told of Langdon's history (and was she even told all of it)? And the rest of the ER doesn't know.

If Langdon had tried to gaslight Dana would he still be there?

It's an interesting pecking order/sociological issue and experiment.

NP here. I agree.

Also the way Dana is being treated by Dr. Robby. She was previously violently assaulted and there are increased safety measures for nurses in the almost 1 year since it happened. And she rushes to protect Emma (the only one) and Robby treats her horribly. But Langdon gets the pass?

Robby was right to get mad at her. This is her second time during her shift using unauthorized meds. First she asks for a prescription that she gives to someone else. And now she used a sedative on a patient and could have injured him which would have placed the hospital in big trouble. Emma should have been nowhere near a volatile patient on her first day and without supervision. She’s supposed to be shadowing Dana.

Patient had not been volatile in the hospital (only on golf course and in ambulance). She absolutely should have used the sedative on the big guy who had Emma in a chokehold and could have killed her. KILLED HER. The first script was for nicotine gum. Seriously.

Patient was known to be volatile. A newbie shadowing a nurse shouldn’t have been alone in there in the first place. Dana did what she had to do but it could have placed the hospital in a pickle. She happened to have Versed in her pocket? Maybe Robbie is sick of people not following protocol.

Dana committee insurance fraud earlier. Not cool.

Why do the men get a pass? Robby gets his friend to come into the ER to skip the huge line of people waiting so he can get a scan for possible lung cancer? How is this ER worthy? It’s not, Robby just wanted his friend to get taken care of before he went on his sabbatical vs the friend seeing specialists in a regular doctor’s appointment? And then then Robby making the executive decisions to NOT turn in Langdon for his many crimes of stealing drugs and tampering with medication. But it’s ok when Robby does it? GTFOH.

What was Dana supposed to do? Fill out a form, ask for a sign off while Emma died in a choke hold? I assume Dana keeps those meds in her pocket as some sort of protection against her getting assaulted again because she knows ain’t no one else coming to save her in time (look at your attitude towards it, she didn’t follow protocol, etc.). I think the bigger discussion is why the head nurse feels so unprotected that she needs that, not that Dana is a bad nurse for having it. Talk to someone who actually works in a hospital esp an ER or med surge. What are their biggest complaints? What makes them feel unsafe?

This is the perfect example of someone disagreeing with you, you going off the rails and treating them like a punching bag. And also putting words in people’s mouths. GFU.

You ok? Go outside and get some sunshine.

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Anonymous wrote:I like to see the debate about Langdon and Santos.

I will probably get some negative reactions for saying this, but I find everything about Langdon's character written and set up to invite sympathy for him, to include that he's a good looking straight white guy with a family. I think by the rules of our culture Langdon gets a massive pass right there.

I think the show is asking us to examine that - you saw how shocked Al Hashimi was when she was told of Langdon's history (and was she even told all of it)? And the rest of the ER doesn't know.

If Langdon had tried to gaslight Dana would he still be there?

It's an interesting pecking order/sociological issue and experiment.

NP here. I agree.

Also the way Dana is being treated by Dr. Robby. She was previously violently assaulted and there are increased safety measures for nurses in the almost 1 year since it happened. And she rushes to protect Emma (the only one) and Robby treats her horribly. But Langdon gets the pass?

Robby was right to get mad at her. This is her second time during her shift using unauthorized meds. First she asks for a prescription that she gives to someone else. And now she used a sedative on a patient and could have injured him which would have placed the hospital in big trouble. Emma should have been nowhere near a volatile patient on her first day and without supervision. She’s supposed to be shadowing Dana.

Patient had not been volatile in the hospital (only on golf course and in ambulance). She absolutely should have used the sedative on the big guy who had Emma in a chokehold and could have killed her. KILLED HER. The first script was for nicotine gum. Seriously.

Patient was known to be volatile. A newbie shadowing a nurse shouldn’t have been alone in there in the first place. Dana did what she had to do but it could have placed the hospital in a pickle. She happened to have Versed in her pocket? Maybe Robbie is sick of people not following protocol.

Dana committee insurance fraud earlier. Not cool.

Why do the men get a pass? Robby gets his friend to come into the ER to skip the huge line of people waiting so he can get a scan for possible lung cancer? How is this ER worthy? It’s not, Robby just wanted his friend to get taken care of before he went on his sabbatical vs the friend seeing specialists in a regular doctor’s appointment? And then then Robby making the executive decisions to NOT turn in Langdon for his many crimes of stealing drugs and tampering with medication. But it’s ok when Robby does it? GTFOH.

What was Dana supposed to do? Fill out a form, ask for a sign off while Emma died in a choke hold? I assume Dana keeps those meds in her pocket as some sort of protection against her getting assaulted again because she knows ain’t no one else coming to save her in time (look at your attitude towards it, she didn’t follow protocol, etc.). I think the bigger discussion is why the head nurse feels so unprotected that she needs that, not that Dana is a bad nurse for having it. Talk to someone who actually works in a hospital esp an ER or med surge. What are their biggest complaints? What makes them feel unsafe?

This is the perfect example of someone disagreeing with you, you going off the rails and treating them like a punching bag. And also putting words in people’s mouths. GFU.

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Anonymous wrote:I like to see the debate about Langdon and Santos.

I will probably get some negative reactions for saying this, but I find everything about Langdon's character written and set up to invite sympathy for him, to include that he's a good looking straight white guy with a family. I think by the rules of our culture Langdon gets a massive pass right there.

I think the show is asking us to examine that - you saw how shocked Al Hashimi was when she was told of Langdon's history (and was she even told all of it)? And the rest of the ER doesn't know.

If Langdon had tried to gaslight Dana would he still be there?

It's an interesting pecking order/sociological issue and experiment.

NP here. I agree.

Also the way Dana is being treated by Dr. Robby. She was previously violently assaulted and there are increased safety measures for nurses in the almost 1 year since it happened. And she rushes to protect Emma (the only one) and Robby treats her horribly. But Langdon gets the pass?

Robby was right to get mad at her. This is her second time during her shift using unauthorized meds. First she asks for a prescription that she gives to someone else. And now she used a sedative on a patient and could have injured him which would have placed the hospital in big trouble. Emma should have been nowhere near a volatile patient on her first day and without supervision. She’s supposed to be shadowing Dana.

Patient had not been volatile in the hospital (only on golf course and in ambulance). She absolutely should have used the sedative on the big guy who had Emma in a chokehold and could have killed her. KILLED HER. The first script was for nicotine gum. Seriously.

Patient was known to be volatile. A newbie shadowing a nurse shouldn’t have been alone in there in the first place. Dana did what she had to do but it could have placed the hospital in a pickle. She happened to have Versed in her pocket? Maybe Robbie is sick of people not following protocol.

Dana committee insurance fraud earlier. Not cool.

Why do the men get a pass? Robby gets his friend to come into the ER to skip the huge line of people waiting so he can get a scan for possible lung cancer? How is this ER worthy? It’s not, Robby just wanted his friend to get taken care of before he went on his sabbatical vs the friend seeing specialists in a regular doctor’s appointment? And then then Robby making the executive decisions to NOT turn in Langdon for his many crimes of stealing drugs and tampering with medication. But it’s ok when Robby does it? GTFOH.

What was Dana supposed to do? Fill out a form, ask for a sign off while Emma died in a choke hold? I assume Dana keeps those meds in her pocket as some sort of protection against her getting assaulted again because she knows ain’t no one else coming to save her in time (look at your attitude towards it, she didn’t follow protocol, etc.). I think the bigger discussion is why the head nurse feels so unprotected that she needs that, not that Dana is a bad nurse for having it. Talk to someone who actually works in a hospital esp an ER or med surge. What are their biggest complaints? What makes them feel unsafe?

Whoa you are way out of line. GTFOH? I didn’t say any of that was ok. Robby probably has misplaced anger from Langdon. He now is going to be a stickler for protocol.

Seek help for your misplaced anger. This is a tv show for Christ's sake.

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Anonymous wrote:I like to see the debate about Langdon and Santos.

I will probably get some negative reactions for saying this, but I find everything about Langdon's character written and set up to invite sympathy for him, to include that he's a good looking straight white guy with a family. I think by the rules of our culture Langdon gets a massive pass right there.

I think the show is asking us to examine that - you saw how shocked Al Hashimi was when she was told of Langdon's history (and was she even told all of it)? And the rest of the ER doesn't know.

If Langdon had tried to gaslight Dana would he still be there?

It's an interesting pecking order/sociological issue and experiment.

NP here. I agree.

Also the way Dana is being treated by Dr. Robby. She was previously violently assaulted and there are increased safety measures for nurses in the almost 1 year since it happened. And she rushes to protect Emma (the only one) and Robby treats her horribly. But Langdon gets the pass?

Robby was right to get mad at her. This is her second time during her shift using unauthorized meds. First she asks for a prescription that she gives to someone else. And now she used a sedative on a patient and could have injured him which would have placed the hospital in big trouble. Emma should have been nowhere near a volatile patient on her first day and without supervision. She’s supposed to be shadowing Dana.

Patient had not been volatile in the hospital (only on golf course and in ambulance). She absolutely should have used the sedative on the big guy who had Emma in a chokehold and could have killed her. KILLED HER. The first script was for nicotine gum. Seriously.

Patient was known to be volatile. A newbie shadowing a nurse shouldn’t have been alone in there in the first place. Dana did what she had to do but it could have placed the hospital in a pickle. She happened to have Versed in her pocket? Maybe Robbie is sick of people not following protocol.

Dana committee insurance fraud earlier. Not cool.

Why do the men get a pass? Robby gets his friend to come into the ER to skip the huge line of people waiting so he can get a scan for possible lung cancer? How is this ER worthy? It’s not, Robby just wanted his friend to get taken care of before he went on his sabbatical vs the friend seeing specialists in a regular doctor’s appointment? And then then Robby making the executive decisions to NOT turn in Langdon for his many crimes of stealing drugs and tampering with medication. But it’s ok when Robby does it? GTFOH.

What was Dana supposed to do? Fill out a form, ask for a sign off while Emma died in a choke hold? I assume Dana keeps those meds in her pocket as some sort of protection against her getting assaulted again because she knows ain’t no one else coming to save her in time (look at your attitude towards it, she didn’t follow protocol, etc.). I think the bigger discussion is why the head nurse feels so unprotected that she needs that, not that Dana is a bad nurse for having it. Talk to someone who actually works in a hospital esp an ER or med surge. What are their biggest complaints? What makes them feel unsafe?

What do we think is going to be wrong with Robbie’s friend who is waiting for a CT?

Anonymous wrote:I did love the subtle burn of Joy taking the selfie with Whitaker.

Why was it considered a burn?

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Anonymous wrote:I like to see the debate about Langdon and Santos.

I will probably get some negative reactions for saying this, but I find everything about Langdon's character written and set up to invite sympathy for him, to include that he's a good looking straight white guy with a family. I think by the rules of our culture Langdon gets a massive pass right there.

I think the show is asking us to examine that - you saw how shocked Al Hashimi was when she was told of Langdon's history (and was she even told all of it)? And the rest of the ER doesn't know.

If Langdon had tried to gaslight Dana would he still be there?

It's an interesting pecking order/sociological issue and experiment.

NP here. I agree.

Also the way Dana is being treated by Dr. Robby. She was previously violently assaulted and there are increased safety measures for nurses in the almost 1 year since it happened. And she rushes to protect Emma (the only one) and Robby treats her horribly. But Langdon gets the pass?

Robby was right to get mad at her. This is her second time during her shift using unauthorized meds. First she asks for a prescription that she gives to someone else. And now she used a sedative on a patient and could have injured him which would have placed the hospital in big trouble. Emma should have been nowhere near a volatile patient on her first day and without supervision. She’s supposed to be shadowing Dana.

Patient had not been volatile in the hospital (only on golf course and in ambulance). She absolutely should have used the sedative on the big guy who had Emma in a chokehold and could have killed her. KILLED HER. The first script was for nicotine gum. Seriously.

Patient was known to be volatile. A newbie shadowing a nurse shouldn’t have been alone in there in the first place. Dana did what she had to do but it could have placed the hospital in a pickle. She happened to have Versed in her pocket? Maybe Robbie is sick of people not following protocol.

Dana committee insurance fraud earlier. Not cool.

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Anonymous wrote:I like to see the debate about Langdon and Santos.

I will probably get some negative reactions for saying this, but I find everything about Langdon's character written and set up to invite sympathy for him, to include that he's a good looking straight white guy with a family. I think by the rules of our culture Langdon gets a massive pass right there.

I think the show is asking us to examine that - you saw how shocked Al Hashimi was when she was told of Langdon's history (and was she even told all of it)? And the rest of the ER doesn't know.

If Langdon had tried to gaslight Dana would he still be there?

It's an interesting pecking order/sociological issue and experiment.

NP here. I agree.

Also the way Dana is being treated by Dr. Robby. She was previously violently assaulted and there are increased safety measures for nurses in the almost 1 year since it happened. And she rushes to protect Emma (the only one) and Robby treats her horribly. But Langdon gets the pass?

Robby was right to get mad at her. This is her second time during her shift using unauthorized meds. First she asks for a prescription that she gives to someone else. And now she used a sedative on a patient and could have injured him which would have placed the hospital in big trouble. Emma should have been nowhere near a volatile patient on her first day and without supervision. She’s supposed to be shadowing Dana.

Patient had not been volatile in the hospital (only on golf course and in ambulance). She absolutely should have used the sedative on the big guy who had Emma in a chokehold and could have killed her. KILLED HER. The first script was for nicotine gum. Seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:I like to see the debate about Langdon and Santos.

I will probably get some negative reactions for saying this, but I find everything about Langdon's character written and set up to invite sympathy for him, to include that he's a good looking straight white guy with a family. I think by the rules of our culture Langdon gets a massive pass right there.

I think the show is asking us to examine that - you saw how shocked Al Hashimi was when she was told of Langdon's history (and was she even told all of it)? And the rest of the ER doesn't know.

If Langdon had tried to gaslight Dana would he still be there?

It's an interesting pecking order/sociological issue and experiment.

NP here. I agree.

Also the way Dana is being treated by Dr. Robby. She was previously violently assaulted and there are increased safety measures for nurses in the almost 1 year since it happened. And she rushes to protect Emma (the only one) and Robby treats her horribly. But Langdon gets the pass?

Robby was right to get mad at her. This is her second time during her shift using unauthorized meds. First she asks for a prescription that she gives to someone else. And now she used a sedative on a patient and could have injured him which would have placed the hospital in big trouble. Emma should have been nowhere near a volatile patient on her first day and without supervision. She’s supposed to be shadowing Dana.

Santos and Langdon are both horrible in different ways. Langdon has an addiction though. Santos can presumably control her sour, superior attitude.

Becoming a doctor may be an “insane financial proposition” but there aren’t many sane ones in today’s economy. I started my career right out of Ivy undergrad, make $750k now, but didn’t even crack six figures until 12 years ago when I was 34. Now it’s great, but currently most things with a lot of payoff require you to go without while you hustle and prove your worth. And that’s if you’re lucky.

Anonymous wrote:I like to see the debate about Langdon and Santos.

I will probably get some negative reactions for saying this, but I find everything about Langdon's character written and set up to invite sympathy for him, to include that he's a good looking straight white guy with a family. I think by the rules of our culture Langdon gets a massive pass right there.

I think the show is asking us to examine that - you saw how shocked Al Hashimi was when she was told of Langdon's history (and was she even told all of it)? And the rest of the ER doesn't know.

If Langdon had tried to gaslight Dana would he still be there?

It's an interesting pecking order/sociological issue and experiment.

And this is part of what makes Langdon so bad. Medicine is hierarchical and even more so at a teaching hospital. Langdon was a superior but he also had a responsibility to teach and mentor Santos. He betrayed every aspect of his responsibility to patients, colleagues, students, and the entire system. Depriving a patient of necessary medication is incredibly serious. Magnitudes more serious than simply stealing it, as is working while high. I agree with PP above about the writing intention here. Good looking men (Langdon’s not my type but I see the appeal for many) get huge passes, especially when they are charming.

Much of the criticism Santos gets is directed at traits that people don’t tend to criticize in a man. Al-Hashimi’s response was appropriate, she’s horrified that Santos is in the position she’s in. The writers also went out of their way to show Rabi praising Santos as a good doctor, and early in the season, someone questioned her “right” to talk sh!t about something- implying she was too junior- and Rabi said she was good. Meanwhile, more than once, Rabi questions whether he wants Langdon in his ER. These are very deliberate writing choices.

Langdon’s apology to Santos was a joke, and even when she told him exactly what the problem was, he STILL did not own up to what he did and how damaging it was. Langdon’s focus is consistently on Langdon. What he lost or almost lost and what he experiences.

I did love the subtle burn of Joy taking the selfie with Whitaker.

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Anonymous wrote:So is Dr. Rob really going on a motorcycle trip or something else? Mental health seems tenuous.


And Joy is working some side gig she doesn't want to share? she made the comment about it was actually costing her money to stay late.


Will Dana and the older temp nurse get into over differing political views?

Was hoping for a little peek at Dr. Jack for the night shift change.

Joy's comment about not getting paid is because she is literally not getting paid -- she is a medical student, not an employee, and she does not get paid. What she actually says is "actually the opposite" because as a student she is paying tuition during her rotations. So she's paying like 60k a year for the privilege of being a student doctor at the hospital. Some programs offer stipends, but not all, and they are not a lot of money.

That's why Whitaker was living in the hospital last year, and why it was a big deal with Santos offered to let him stay with her rent free. Becoming a doctor is an insane financial proposition. And residents don't even make very much money, it's like 50-90k depending on where you work and how senior you are. And you are paying off thousands of dollars in loans at the same time. It's only once you become an attending that your income goes way up, but by then you are generally in your 30s.

I think this is a generational difference and I don't mean that as a slam. In my own work life I refer to this as wanting your pat on the head. Basically you take things on that are beyond your hours or scope or even subject matter area because of a failing elsewhere in the system. You are asked to take on the task out of a sense of duty, or loyalty and camaraderie with co-workers, or even as an opportunity to learn or impress a higher up. But the truth is that the task has fallen to you because someone else doesn't want to add it into their workflow. Appreciation is non-existent or short-lived. Boomers and GenXers are highly pre-disposed to go the extra mile, but the generations beyond are not.