Anonymous wrote:I like Senator Kloubichar but it really upset me how she went on the news talking about how this is such a tragedy… lady you are in the ONLY position to change this. And you’re on tv going “wow this is terrible, oh well nothing we can do about it”. Are you for real? DO YOUR JOB.

I think all congress people are gaslighting us.

Anonymous wrote:I like Senator Kloubichar but it really upset me how she went on the news talking about how this is such a tragedy… lady you are in the ONLY position to change this. And you’re on tv going “wow this is terrible, oh well nothing we can do about it”. Are you for real? DO YOUR JOB.

I think all congress people are gaslighting us.

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Anonymous wrote:As usual conservatives will blame the trans community, mental health treatments like SSRIs etc and liberals will call for gun control. No changes in any of these areas are realistically achievable, and discussion will end after about a week. All forgotten until the next time this happens.

My question is why is there so little discussion about enhanced security at schools? Which is actually achievable?? For example: at my kids’ old elementary school the gate is locked during school hours and visitors need to enter through the office. That is the extent of their “security” which is basically worthless. A gunman could just enter the office, take out the front desk ladies and then have free access to the entire school. No security personnel either. Their current high school is the exact same setup but they do have a police officer on site (whose office is somewhere in the back of the school). WHY is this?! Why aren’t there additional security procedures and why can basically anyone enter the front office?

It is my understanding that the church doors were locked during mass, as a security procedure, or this recent event could have been far worse.

My kids’ preschool (over a decade ago) had all doors locked during the day, with a video camera at the main entry door- with security needing to visualize and speak to you before the door was remotely unlocked. Apartment complexes have had such technology for decades.

But most public schools have, basically, no security at all. Anyone with a gun can pretty much waltz in and have free reign. Why?

It certainly wouldn’t prevent everything, but why does nothing seem to be done at all? These are all easy things.

This is not true where I live. All schools are locked and you have to show ID to a camera outside before being let in. And then you go through a metal detector, at least in the middle and high schools. God, just typing that out is so depressing.

Most schools don’t have metal detectors but they do have everything else listed. None of these things would have helped in this case since they went through the windows. The only thing I think would keep someone off the premises is a high gate and multiple security personnel. Prison like conditions

And then even if you do that what happens if they can shoot through onto the playground when the kids are at recess. What about bus loading/unloading. Field trips.

Sounds like the kids need guns to shoot back...

At least the administration should be armed, and some competent faculty who choose to be armed. Not the Karen teachers who would just freeze up.

Oh Gee let's fill the schools with more guns What could possibly go wrong...

You gun nuts are absolutely bonkers and demented.

Many schools do have armed staff. Several hundred school districts have them and had them for years. Never been a mass shooting in any of them, and some were stopped almost instantly.

Didn’t parkland have an officer and he didn’t go in?

Yes, Sheriff Dept told them to stand down. Was a big hooplah about that and the Sheriff got in trouble. Dunno if he is in jail now or not. Makes you think huh?

Uvalde too.

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Anonymous wrote:As usual conservatives will blame the trans community, mental health treatments like SSRIs etc and liberals will call for gun control. No changes in any of these areas are realistically achievable, and discussion will end after about a week. All forgotten until the next time this happens.

My question is why is there so little discussion about enhanced security at schools? Which is actually achievable?? For example: at my kids’ old elementary school the gate is locked during school hours and visitors need to enter through the office. That is the extent of their “security” which is basically worthless. A gunman could just enter the office, take out the front desk ladies and then have free access to the entire school. No security personnel either. Their current high school is the exact same setup but they do have a police officer on site (whose office is somewhere in the back of the school). WHY is this?! Why aren’t there additional security procedures and why can basically anyone enter the front office?

It is my understanding that the church doors were locked during mass, as a security procedure, or this recent event could have been far worse.

My kids’ preschool (over a decade ago) had all doors locked during the day, with a video camera at the main entry door- with security needing to visualize and speak to you before the door was remotely unlocked. Apartment complexes have had such technology for decades.

But most public schools have, basically, no security at all. Anyone with a gun can pretty much waltz in and have free reign. Why?

It certainly wouldn’t prevent everything, but why does nothing seem to be done at all? These are all easy things.

This is not true where I live. All schools are locked and you have to show ID to a camera outside before being let in. And then you go through a metal detector, at least in the middle and high schools. God, just typing that out is so depressing.

Most schools don’t have metal detectors but they do have everything else listed. None of these things would have helped in this case since they went through the windows. The only thing I think would keep someone off the premises is a high gate and multiple security personnel. Prison like conditions

And then even if you do that what happens if they can shoot through onto the playground when the kids are at recess. What about bus loading/unloading. Field trips.

Sounds like the kids need guns to shoot back...

At least the administration should be armed, and some competent faculty who choose to be armed. Not the Karen teachers who would just freeze up.

Oh Gee let's fill the schools with more guns What could possibly go wrong...

You gun nuts are absolutely bonkers and demented.

Many schools do have armed staff. Several hundred school districts have them and had them for years. Never been a mass shooting in any of them, and some were stopped almost instantly.

Didn’t parkland have an officer and he didn’t go in?

Yes, Sheriff Dept told them to stand down. Was a big hooplah about that and the Sheriff got in trouble. Dunno if he is in jail now or not. Makes you think huh?

Uvalde too.

My school has no armed guards and we haven't been shot up.

Anecdotes don't equal causation or correlation.

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Anonymous wrote:As usual conservatives will blame the trans community, mental health treatments like SSRIs etc and liberals will call for gun control. No changes in any of these areas are realistically achievable, and discussion will end after about a week. All forgotten until the next time this happens.

My question is why is there so little discussion about enhanced security at schools? Which is actually achievable?? For example: at my kids’ old elementary school the gate is locked during school hours and visitors need to enter through the office. That is the extent of their “security” which is basically worthless. A gunman could just enter the office, take out the front desk ladies and then have free access to the entire school. No security personnel either. Their current high school is the exact same setup but they do have a police officer on site (whose office is somewhere in the back of the school). WHY is this?! Why aren’t there additional security procedures and why can basically anyone enter the front office?

It is my understanding that the church doors were locked during mass, as a security procedure, or this recent event could have been far worse.

My kids’ preschool (over a decade ago) had all doors locked during the day, with a video camera at the main entry door- with security needing to visualize and speak to you before the door was remotely unlocked. Apartment complexes have had such technology for decades.

But most public schools have, basically, no security at all. Anyone with a gun can pretty much waltz in and have free reign. Why?

It certainly wouldn’t prevent everything, but why does nothing seem to be done at all? These are all easy things.

This is not true where I live. All schools are locked and you have to show ID to a camera outside before being let in. And then you go through a metal detector, at least in the middle and high schools. God, just typing that out is so depressing.

Most schools don’t have metal detectors but they do have everything else listed. None of these things would have helped in this case since they went through the windows. The only thing I think would keep someone off the premises is a high gate and multiple security personnel. Prison like conditions

And then even if you do that what happens if they can shoot through onto the playground when the kids are at recess. What about bus loading/unloading. Field trips.

Sounds like the kids need guns to shoot back...

At least the administration should be armed, and some competent faculty who choose to be armed. Not the Karen teachers who would just freeze up.

Oh Gee let's fill the schools with more guns What could possibly go wrong...

You gun nuts are absolutely bonkers and demented.

Many schools do have armed staff. Several hundred school districts have them and had them for years. Never been a mass shooting in any of them, and some were stopped almost instantly.

Didn’t parkland have an officer and he didn’t go in?

Yes, Sheriff Dept told them to stand down. Was a big hooplah about that and the Sheriff got in trouble. Dunno if he is in jail now or not. Makes you think huh?

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Anonymous wrote:So now the mother is not cooperating with the investigation and has hired a criminal defense attorney. Just great.

Robin is 23 years old. Five years over the starting age in this country as an adult, lived in an apartment and bought the weapons recently at his house. People still want to blame her. Plus she has to deal with the fact that she worked there. Is she not cooperating by getting an attorney? Maybe she has something to hide or maybe she is just being careful. He lived with his father last before the apartment I read.

Yes. I absolutely blame her, starting with her obviously stupid decision to sign papers allowing him to change his name at the age of 17. I’m sure that’s just the tip of the iceberg in her stellar parenting.

Why can't it be all three? Gun culture, mental illness, AND crappy parenting. It can be (and IS) ALL THREE. Let's address them all.

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Anonymous wrote:As usual conservatives will blame the trans community, mental health treatments like SSRIs etc and liberals will call for gun control. No changes in any of these areas are realistically achievable, and discussion will end after about a week. All forgotten until the next time this happens.

My question is why is there so little discussion about enhanced security at schools? Which is actually achievable?? For example: at my kids’ old elementary school the gate is locked during school hours and visitors need to enter through the office. That is the extent of their “security” which is basically worthless. A gunman could just enter the office, take out the front desk ladies and then have free access to the entire school. No security personnel either. Their current high school is the exact same setup but they do have a police officer on site (whose office is somewhere in the back of the school). WHY is this?! Why aren’t there additional security procedures and why can basically anyone enter the front office?

It is my understanding that the church doors were locked during mass, as a security procedure, or this recent event could have been far worse.

My kids’ preschool (over a decade ago) had all doors locked during the day, with a video camera at the main entry door- with security needing to visualize and speak to you before the door was remotely unlocked. Apartment complexes have had such technology for decades.

But most public schools have, basically, no security at all. Anyone with a gun can pretty much waltz in and have free reign. Why?

It certainly wouldn’t prevent everything, but why does nothing seem to be done at all? These are all easy things.

This is not true where I live. All schools are locked and you have to show ID to a camera outside before being let in. And then you go through a metal detector, at least in the middle and high schools. God, just typing that out is so depressing.

Most schools don’t have metal detectors but they do have everything else listed. None of these things would have helped in this case since they went through the windows. The only thing I think would keep someone off the premises is a high gate and multiple security personnel. Prison like conditions

And then even if you do that what happens if they can shoot through onto the playground when the kids are at recess. What about bus loading/unloading. Field trips.

Sounds like the kids need guns to shoot back...

At least the administration should be armed, and some competent faculty who choose to be armed. Not the Karen teachers who would just freeze up.

Oh Gee let's fill the schools with more guns What could possibly go wrong...

You gun nuts are absolutely bonkers and demented.

Many schools do have armed staff. Several hundred school districts have them and had them for years. Never been a mass shooting in any of them, and some were stopped almost instantly.

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Anonymous wrote:As usual conservatives will blame the trans community, mental health treatments like SSRIs etc and liberals will call for gun control. No changes in any of these areas are realistically achievable, and discussion will end after about a week. All forgotten until the next time this happens.

My question is why is there so little discussion about enhanced security at schools? Which is actually achievable?? For example: at my kids’ old elementary school the gate is locked during school hours and visitors need to enter through the office. That is the extent of their “security” which is basically worthless. A gunman could just enter the office, take out the front desk ladies and then have free access to the entire school. No security personnel either. Their current high school is the exact same setup but they do have a police officer on site (whose office is somewhere in the back of the school). WHY is this?! Why aren’t there additional security procedures and why can basically anyone enter the front office?

It is my understanding that the church doors were locked during mass, as a security procedure, or this recent event could have been far worse.

My kids’ preschool (over a decade ago) had all doors locked during the day, with a video camera at the main entry door- with security needing to visualize and speak to you before the door was remotely unlocked. Apartment complexes have had such technology for decades.

But most public schools have, basically, no security at all. Anyone with a gun can pretty much waltz in and have free reign. Why?

It certainly wouldn’t prevent everything, but why does nothing seem to be done at all? These are all easy things.

This is not true where I live. All schools are locked and you have to show ID to a camera outside before being let in. And then you go through a metal detector, at least in the middle and high schools. God, just typing that out is so depressing.

Most schools don’t have metal detectors but they do have everything else listed. None of these things would have helped in this case since they went through the windows. The only thing I think would keep someone off the premises is a high gate and multiple security personnel. Prison like conditions

And then even if you do that what happens if they can shoot through onto the playground when the kids are at recess. What about bus loading/unloading. Field trips.

Sounds like the kids need guns to shoot back...

At least the administration should be armed, and some competent faculty who choose to be armed. Not the Karen teachers who would just freeze up.

Oh Gee let's fill the schools with more guns What could possibly go wrong...

You gun nuts are absolutely bonkers and demented.

Many schools do have armed staff. Several hundred school districts have them and had them for years. Never been a mass shooting in any of them, and some were stopped almost instantly.

Didn’t parkland have an officer and he didn’t go in?

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Anonymous wrote:As usual conservatives will blame the trans community, mental health treatments like SSRIs etc and liberals will call for gun control. No changes in any of these areas are realistically achievable, and discussion will end after about a week. All forgotten until the next time this happens.

My question is why is there so little discussion about enhanced security at schools? Which is actually achievable?? For example: at my kids’ old elementary school the gate is locked during school hours and visitors need to enter through the office. That is the extent of their “security” which is basically worthless. A gunman could just enter the office, take out the front desk ladies and then have free access to the entire school. No security personnel either. Their current high school is the exact same setup but they do have a police officer on site (whose office is somewhere in the back of the school). WHY is this?! Why aren’t there additional security procedures and why can basically anyone enter the front office?

It is my understanding that the church doors were locked during mass, as a security procedure, or this recent event could have been far worse.

My kids’ preschool (over a decade ago) had all doors locked during the day, with a video camera at the main entry door- with security needing to visualize and speak to you before the door was remotely unlocked. Apartment complexes have had such technology for decades.

But most public schools have, basically, no security at all. Anyone with a gun can pretty much waltz in and have free reign. Why?

It certainly wouldn’t prevent everything, but why does nothing seem to be done at all? These are all easy things.

This is not true where I live. All schools are locked and you have to show ID to a camera outside before being let in. And then you go through a metal detector, at least in the middle and high schools. God, just typing that out is so depressing.

Most schools don’t have metal detectors but they do have everything else listed. None of these things would have helped in this case since they went through the windows. The only thing I think would keep someone off the premises is a high gate and multiple security personnel. Prison like conditions

And then even if you do that what happens if they can shoot through onto the playground when the kids are at recess. What about bus loading/unloading. Field trips.

Sounds like the kids need guns to shoot back...

At least the administration should be armed, and some competent faculty who choose to be armed. Not the Karen teachers who would just freeze up.

Oh Gee let's fill the schools with more guns What could possibly go wrong...

You gun nuts are absolutely bonkers and demented.

Many schools do have armed staff. Several hundred school districts have them and had them for years. Never been a mass shooting in any of them, and some were stopped almost instantly.

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Anonymous wrote:As usual conservatives will blame the trans community, mental health treatments like SSRIs etc and liberals will call for gun control. No changes in any of these areas are realistically achievable, and discussion will end after about a week. All forgotten until the next time this happens.

My question is why is there so little discussion about enhanced security at schools? Which is actually achievable?? For example: at my kids’ old elementary school the gate is locked during school hours and visitors need to enter through the office. That is the extent of their “security” which is basically worthless. A gunman could just enter the office, take out the front desk ladies and then have free access to the entire school. No security personnel either. Their current high school is the exact same setup but they do have a police officer on site (whose office is somewhere in the back of the school). WHY is this?! Why aren’t there additional security procedures and why can basically anyone enter the front office?

It is my understanding that the church doors were locked during mass, as a security procedure, or this recent event could have been far worse.

My kids’ preschool (over a decade ago) had all doors locked during the day, with a video camera at the main entry door- with security needing to visualize and speak to you before the door was remotely unlocked. Apartment complexes have had such technology for decades.

But most public schools have, basically, no security at all. Anyone with a gun can pretty much waltz in and have free reign. Why?

It certainly wouldn’t prevent everything, but why does nothing seem to be done at all? These are all easy things.

This is not true where I live. All schools are locked and you have to show ID to a camera outside before being let in. And then you go through a metal detector, at least in the middle and high schools. God, just typing that out is so depressing.

Most schools don’t have metal detectors but they do have everything else listed. None of these things would have helped in this case since they went through the windows. The only thing I think would keep someone off the premises is a high gate and multiple security personnel. Prison like conditions

And then even if you do that what happens if they can shoot through onto the playground when the kids are at recess. What about bus loading/unloading. Field trips.

Sounds like the kids need guns to shoot back...

At least the administration should be armed, and some competent faculty who choose to be armed. Not the Karen teachers who would just freeze up.

Oh Gee let's fill the schools with more guns What could possibly go wrong...

You gun nuts are absolutely bonkers and demented.

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Anonymous wrote:So now the mother is not cooperating with the investigation and has hired a criminal defense attorney. Just great.

Robin is 23 years old. Five years over the starting age in this country as an adult, lived in an apartment and bought the weapons recently at his house. People still want to blame her. Plus she has to deal with the fact that she worked there. Is she not cooperating by getting an attorney? Maybe she has something to hide or maybe she is just being careful. He lived with his father last before the apartment I read.

Yes. I absolutely blame her, starting with her obviously stupid decision to sign papers allowing him to change his name at the age of 17. I’m sure that’s just the tip of the iceberg in her stellar parenting.

Why can't it be all three? Gun culture, mental illness, AND crappy parenting. It can be (and IS) ALL THREE. Let's address them all.

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Anonymous wrote:As usual conservatives will blame the trans community, mental health treatments like SSRIs etc and liberals will call for gun control. No changes in any of these areas are realistically achievable, and discussion will end after about a week. All forgotten until the next time this happens.

My question is why is there so little discussion about enhanced security at schools? Which is actually achievable?? For example: at my kids’ old elementary school the gate is locked during school hours and visitors need to enter through the office. That is the extent of their “security” which is basically worthless. A gunman could just enter the office, take out the front desk ladies and then have free access to the entire school. No security personnel either. Their current high school is the exact same setup but they do have a police officer on site (whose office is somewhere in the back of the school). WHY is this?! Why aren’t there additional security procedures and why can basically anyone enter the front office?

It is my understanding that the church doors were locked during mass, as a security procedure, or this recent event could have been far worse.

My kids’ preschool (over a decade ago) had all doors locked during the day, with a video camera at the main entry door- with security needing to visualize and speak to you before the door was remotely unlocked. Apartment complexes have had such technology for decades.

But most public schools have, basically, no security at all. Anyone with a gun can pretty much waltz in and have free reign. Why?

It certainly wouldn’t prevent everything, but why does nothing seem to be done at all? These are all easy things.

This is not true where I live. All schools are locked and you have to show ID to a camera outside before being let in. And then you go through a metal detector, at least in the middle and high schools. God, just typing that out is so depressing.

Most schools don’t have metal detectors but they do have everything else listed. None of these things would have helped in this case since they went through the windows. The only thing I think would keep someone off the premises is a high gate and multiple security personnel. Prison like conditions

And then even if you do that what happens if they can shoot through onto the playground when the kids are at recess. What about bus loading/unloading. Field trips.

Sounds like the kids need guns to shoot back...

At least the administration should be armed, and some competent faculty who choose to be armed. Not the Karen teachers who would just freeze up.

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Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.

Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.

Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.

DP. How are the people who sell guns supposed to identify mentally ill freaks?

Frankly I could have identified him as such just by looking at him.

20 something NEET whose only job was at a weed shop wearing pigtails and women's earrings...definitely a normal young man who needs a military grade firearm.
I want ALL gun crimes including illegal possession prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of whether the criminal belongs to a protected class. No exceptions.
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Prosecute gun crimes! Yes! But then it's too late. Most mass shooters kill themselves or are taken out during the event. There is no opportunity for justice for the victims and their families.

How about we do things BEFORE these people get the chance to kill others.

Agreed! Let's get the so-called trans some real help instead of indulging their clear mental illness.

This isn't about Trans so shut the hell up.

Over 54% of all violent crimes in this country are perpetrated by good old White Christian Males.

It is time that MAGA accepts their boys are sick. Their boys grow up to rape small children. Yeah, especially the church going ones. Yep those church boys sure do have an issue with child porn, killing school children with guns and sexual assault. Not like the government website doesn't have these stats.

You sound sick. You might want to get some help.

And yes, trans is definitely a problem.

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Anonymous wrote:As usual conservatives will blame the trans community, mental health treatments like SSRIs etc and liberals will call for gun control. No changes in any of these areas are realistically achievable, and discussion will end after about a week. All forgotten until the next time this happens.

My question is why is there so little discussion about enhanced security at schools? Which is actually achievable?? For example: at my kids’ old elementary school the gate is locked during school hours and visitors need to enter through the office. That is the extent of their “security” which is basically worthless. A gunman could just enter the office, take out the front desk ladies and then have free access to the entire school. No security personnel either. Their current high school is the exact same setup but they do have a police officer on site (whose office is somewhere in the back of the school). WHY is this?! Why aren’t there additional security procedures and why can basically anyone enter the front office?

It is my understanding that the church doors were locked during mass, as a security procedure, or this recent event could have been far worse.

My kids’ preschool (over a decade ago) had all doors locked during the day, with a video camera at the main entry door- with security needing to visualize and speak to you before the door was remotely unlocked. Apartment complexes have had such technology for decades.

But most public schools have, basically, no security at all. Anyone with a gun can pretty much waltz in and have free reign. Why?

It certainly wouldn’t prevent everything, but why does nothing seem to be done at all? These are all easy things.

This is not true where I live. All schools are locked and you have to show ID to a camera outside before being let in. And then you go through a metal detector, at least in the middle and high schools. God, just typing that out is so depressing.

Most schools don’t have metal detectors but they do have everything else listed. None of these things would have helped in this case since they went through the windows. The only thing I think would keep someone off the premises is a high gate and multiple security personnel. Prison like conditions

And then even if you do that what happens if they can shoot through onto the playground when the kids are at recess. What about bus loading/unloading. Field trips.

Sounds like the kids need guns to shoot back...