Anonymous wrote:Just last week the Tuoyh’s said they will voluntarily end the conservatorship so apparently it didn’t end when he was 25.

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Anonymous wrote:I was on the fence on who to believe but have seen that Michael wrote in his 2011 memoir that he definitely KNEW that he had signed conservator papers…..not adoption papers as he is now claiming.

So I am compelled to believe he is broke now & looking to get some $$.

Nah. The Tuohys who never filed the expected paperwork regarding the conservatorship better come up with some answers.

Did you read the conservatorship papers? It spelled out that he had no mental or physical defects or disabilities yet they allowed the false narrative that he is intellectually disabled. It also allowed them access to all his medical information all this time. Creepy.

Let’s talk about why they never ended the conservatorship. It gave them control over every facet of his life. They have access to all his medical info. The amount of control they gave themselves was unnecessary even then when Michael was 18. This speaks volumes about them.

You have to go to court to end a conservatorship. Michael has to go to court to end it. Saying it again for the people in the back - Michael has to go to court to terminate this conservatorship. The Tuohys could have ended it at any time yet they didn’t.

What would happen if the Tuohys went to court to end it like normal people would have done? It would have gotten press and they would be exposed as the lying liars they are just as is happening now. I doubt they would ever petition the court to end it unless forced.

You can try and smear Oher all you want but the fact remains that Oher had to file to end this conservatorship and the Tuohys were never going to.

Once again people there has been no actions under this conservatorship for at least 15 years. As someone said, you are confusing Brittany.

I'm not confusing anything with the Spears conservatorship. We don't know what the Tuohys have done with it and clearly you work for them if you "know" they haven't done anything with it. They're going to owe the court an accounting of it and are going to be more than embarrassed when they have no accounting, no documentation. Say they did nothing with it all you want, but most of us don't believe them. They lie far too easily.

We know because MO’s own lawsuit saying nothing about any actions except the movie. And he has entered into many contracts since the. NFL etc.

Let’s stick to the facts.

What facts??? Also just because the conservatorship wasn’t involved with the NFL contracts doesn’t have any bearing on whether it was run the way it was supposed to. Like is your argument “well they didn’t steal some of his money they didn’t steal any of his money?” That’s completely illogical

In my opinion a conservatorship that was not “run the way it was supposed to” is just as likely to have ended up in that situation because all the assets had been properly disbursed and it wasn’t used for anything anymore as any other reason. This just isn’t a smoking gun, in and of itself.

How do we know the assets were properly dispursed if they didn’t file? That’s the *whole point* of recordkeeping/filing requirements.

Well, when did they last file and what did it say?

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Anonymous wrote:Guardianship attorney here (my state's version of conservatorship) - I serve as guardian of the estate (conservator of finances) for many people, via court appointments primarily, and accountings are filed with the court annually whether there's "anything to show" or not. The duty to account for finances is not only if you spend funds. In most states, fiduciaries over funds (including conservators) have an affirmative duty to diversity investments, for instance. the job isn't just to watch money rot away in an account and/or spend as necessary. It's also to treat the funds in the ward's best interest, which necessarily includes investment and accounting, regardless of whether there were expenditures. Super sketchy that they failed to prepare accountings and are resisting providing documentation of what accountings should have provided.

Your post assumes there are still assets under management in the conservatorship. If there were I agree. If there weren’t, the lack of filings is a nothingburger.

DP. No, it’s not. They were legally obligated to file. And if a conservator drained assets and there’s nothing there, even more important to file.

And if a conservator properly disbursed all the assets? Even if they did technically have an unmet obligation, it’s a nothingburger. Defunct legal entities happen every day.

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Anonymous wrote:I was on the fence on who to believe but have seen that Michael wrote in his 2011 memoir that he definitely KNEW that he had signed conservator papers…..not adoption papers as he is now claiming.

So I am compelled to believe he is broke now & looking to get some $$.

Nah. The Tuohys who never filed the expected paperwork regarding the conservatorship better come up with some answers.

Did you read the conservatorship papers? It spelled out that he had no mental or physical defects or disabilities yet they allowed the false narrative that he is intellectually disabled. It also allowed them access to all his medical information all this time. Creepy.

Let’s talk about why they never ended the conservatorship. It gave them control over every facet of his life. They have access to all his medical info. The amount of control they gave themselves was unnecessary even then when Michael was 18. This speaks volumes about them.

You have to go to court to end a conservatorship. Michael has to go to court to end it. Saying it again for the people in the back - Michael has to go to court to terminate this conservatorship. The Tuohys could have ended it at any time yet they didn’t.

What would happen if the Tuohys went to court to end it like normal people would have done? It would have gotten press and they would be exposed as the lying liars they are just as is happening now. I doubt they would ever petition the court to end it unless forced.

You can try and smear Oher all you want but the fact remains that Oher had to file to end this conservatorship and the Tuohys were never going to.

Once again people there has been no actions under this conservatorship for at least 15 years. As someone said, you are confusing Brittany.

I'm not confusing anything with the Spears conservatorship. We don't know what the Tuohys have done with it and clearly you work for them if you "know" they haven't done anything with it. They're going to owe the court an accounting of it and are going to be more than embarrassed when they have no accounting, no documentation. Say they did nothing with it all you want, but most of us don't believe them. They lie far too easily.

We know because MO’s own lawsuit saying nothing about any actions except the movie. And he has entered into many contracts since the. NFL etc.

Let’s stick to the facts.

What facts??? Also just because the conservatorship wasn’t involved with the NFL contracts doesn’t have any bearing on whether it was run the way it was supposed to. Like is your argument “well they didn’t steal some of his money they didn’t steal any of his money?” That’s completely illogical

In my opinion a conservatorship that was not “run the way it was supposed to” is just as likely to have ended up in that situation because all the assets had been properly disbursed and it wasn’t used for anything anymore as any other reason. This just isn’t a smoking gun, in and of itself.

How do we know the assets were properly dispursed if they didn’t file? That’s the *whole point* of recordkeeping/filing requirements.

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Anonymous wrote:Guardianship attorney here (my state's version of conservatorship) - I serve as guardian of the estate (conservator of finances) for many people, via court appointments primarily, and accountings are filed with the court annually whether there's "anything to show" or not. The duty to account for finances is not only if you spend funds. In most states, fiduciaries over funds (including conservators) have an affirmative duty to diversity investments, for instance. the job isn't just to watch money rot away in an account and/or spend as necessary. It's also to treat the funds in the ward's best interest, which necessarily includes investment and accounting, regardless of whether there were expenditures. Super sketchy that they failed to prepare accountings and are resisting providing documentation of what accountings should have provided.

Your post assumes there are still assets under management in the conservatorship. If there were I agree. If there weren’t, the lack of filings is a nothingburger.

DP. No, it’s not. They were legally obligated to file. And if a conservator drained assets and there’s nothing there, even more important to file.

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Anonymous wrote:I was on the fence on who to believe but have seen that Michael wrote in his 2011 memoir that he definitely KNEW that he had signed conservator papers…..not adoption papers as he is now claiming.

So I am compelled to believe he is broke now & looking to get some $$.

Nah. The Tuohys who never filed the expected paperwork regarding the conservatorship better come up with some answers.

Did you read the conservatorship papers? It spelled out that he had no mental or physical defects or disabilities yet they allowed the false narrative that he is intellectually disabled. It also allowed them access to all his medical information all this time. Creepy.

Let’s talk about why they never ended the conservatorship. It gave them control over every facet of his life. They have access to all his medical info. The amount of control they gave themselves was unnecessary even then when Michael was 18. This speaks volumes about them.

You have to go to court to end a conservatorship. Michael has to go to court to end it. Saying it again for the people in the back - Michael has to go to court to terminate this conservatorship. The Tuohys could have ended it at any time yet they didn’t.

What would happen if the Tuohys went to court to end it like normal people would have done? It would have gotten press and they would be exposed as the lying liars they are just as is happening now. I doubt they would ever petition the court to end it unless forced.

You can try and smear Oher all you want but the fact remains that Oher had to file to end this conservatorship and the Tuohys were never going to.

Once again people there has been no actions under this conservatorship for at least 15 years. As someone said, you are confusing Brittany.

I'm not confusing anything with the Spears conservatorship. We don't know what the Tuohys have done with it and clearly you work for them if you "know" they haven't done anything with it. They're going to owe the court an accounting of it and are going to be more than embarrassed when they have no accounting, no documentation. Say they did nothing with it all you want, but most of us don't believe them. They lie far too easily.

We know because MO’s own lawsuit saying nothing about any actions except the movie. And he has entered into many contracts since the. NFL etc.

Let’s stick to the facts.

What facts??? Also just because the conservatorship wasn’t involved with the NFL contracts doesn’t have any bearing on whether it was run the way it was supposed to. Like is your argument “well they didn’t steal some of his money they didn’t steal any of his money?” That’s completely illogical

In my opinion a conservatorship that was not “run the way it was supposed to” is just as likely to have ended up in that situation because all the assets had been properly disbursed and it wasn’t used for anything anymore as any other reason. This just isn’t a smoking gun, in and of itself.

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Anonymous wrote:Guardianship attorney here (my state's version of conservatorship) - I serve as guardian of the estate (conservator of finances) for many people, via court appointments primarily, and accountings are filed with the court annually whether there's "anything to show" or not. The duty to account for finances is not only if you spend funds. In most states, fiduciaries over funds (including conservators) have an affirmative duty to diversity investments, for instance. the job isn't just to watch money rot away in an account and/or spend as necessary. It's also to treat the funds in the ward's best interest, which necessarily includes investment and accounting, regardless of whether there were expenditures. Super sketchy that they failed to prepare accountings and are resisting providing documentation of what accountings should have provided.

Your post assumes there are still assets under management in the conservatorship. If there were I agree. If there weren’t, the lack of filings is a nothingburger.

Anonymous wrote:Guardianship attorney here (my state's version of conservatorship) - I serve as guardian of the estate (conservator of finances) for many people, via court appointments primarily, and accountings are filed with the court annually whether there's "anything to show" or not. The duty to account for finances is not only if you spend funds. In most states, fiduciaries over funds (including conservators) have an affirmative duty to diversity investments, for instance. the job isn't just to watch money rot away in an account and/or spend as necessary. It's also to treat the funds in the ward's best interest, which necessarily includes investment and accounting, regardless of whether there were expenditures. Super sketchy that they failed to prepare accountings and are resisting providing documentation of what accountings should have provided.

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Anonymous wrote:I was on the fence on who to believe but have seen that Michael wrote in his 2011 memoir that he definitely KNEW that he had signed conservator papers…..not adoption papers as he is now claiming.

So I am compelled to believe he is broke now & looking to get some $$.

Nah. The Tuohys who never filed the expected paperwork regarding the conservatorship better come up with some answers.

Did you read the conservatorship papers? It spelled out that he had no mental or physical defects or disabilities yet they allowed the false narrative that he is intellectually disabled. It also allowed them access to all his medical information all this time. Creepy.

Let’s talk about why they never ended the conservatorship. It gave them control over every facet of his life. They have access to all his medical info. The amount of control they gave themselves was unnecessary even then when Michael was 18. This speaks volumes about them.

You have to go to court to end a conservatorship. Michael has to go to court to end it. Saying it again for the people in the back - Michael has to go to court to terminate this conservatorship. The Tuohys could have ended it at any time yet they didn’t.

What would happen if the Tuohys went to court to end it like normal people would have done? It would have gotten press and they would be exposed as the lying liars they are just as is happening now. I doubt they would ever petition the court to end it unless forced.

You can try and smear Oher all you want but the fact remains that Oher had to file to end this conservatorship and the Tuohys were never going to.

Once again people there has been no actions under this conservatorship for at least 15 years. As someone said, you are confusing Brittany.

I'm not confusing anything with the Spears conservatorship. We don't know what the Tuohys have done with it and clearly you work for them if you "know" they haven't done anything with it. They're going to owe the court an accounting of it and are going to be more than embarrassed when they have no accounting, no documentation. Say they did nothing with it all you want, but most of us don't believe them. They lie far too easily.

We know because MO’s own lawsuit saying nothing about any actions except the movie. And he has entered into many contracts since the. NFL etc.

Let’s stick to the facts.

What facts??? Also just because the conservatorship wasn’t involved with the NFL contracts doesn’t have any bearing on whether it was run the way it was supposed to. Like is your argument “well they didn’t steal some of his money they didn’t steal any of his money?” That’s completely illogical

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Anonymous wrote:I was on the fence on who to believe but have seen that Michael wrote in his 2011 memoir that he definitely KNEW that he had signed conservator papers…..not adoption papers as he is now claiming.

So I am compelled to believe he is broke now & looking to get some $$.

Nah. The Tuohys who never filed the expected paperwork regarding the conservatorship better come up with some answers.

Did you read the conservatorship papers? It spelled out that he had no mental or physical defects or disabilities yet they allowed the false narrative that he is intellectually disabled. It also allowed them access to all his medical information all this time. Creepy.

Let’s talk about why they never ended the conservatorship. It gave them control over every facet of his life. They have access to all his medical info. The amount of control they gave themselves was unnecessary even then when Michael was 18. This speaks volumes about them.

You have to go to court to end a conservatorship. Michael has to go to court to end it. Saying it again for the people in the back - Michael has to go to court to terminate this conservatorship. The Tuohys could have ended it at any time yet they didn’t.

What would happen if the Tuohys went to court to end it like normal people would have done? It would have gotten press and they would be exposed as the lying liars they are just as is happening now. I doubt they would ever petition the court to end it unless forced.

You can try and smear Oher all you want but the fact remains that Oher had to file to end this conservatorship and the Tuohys were never going to.

Once again people there has been no actions under this conservatorship for at least 15 years. As someone said, you are confusing Brittany.

I'm not confusing anything with the Spears conservatorship. We don't know what the Tuohys have done with it and clearly you work for them if you "know" they haven't done anything with it. They're going to owe the court an accounting of it and are going to be more than embarrassed when they have no accounting, no documentation. Say they did nothing with it all you want, but most of us don't believe them. They lie far too easily.

Why in the world do you think they would have no accounting? They can easily produce paperwork. There is a paper trail for everything.

Why am I reading that none has been filed as is expected? You make up so much stuff. What happened to your claim that numerous lawyers had dropped the case?

There is no accounting because there is nothing to account for. I bet they never opened a bank account. It sure looks like they never took any of Ohrr’s money in. He may claim the movie money but it looks like he got it or it went into a trust for his kids. And the money never came into the conservatorship. In other words it was never part of it.

So their accounting will say nothing to a cou t for. He will say BS. There will be a hearing and Oher will be able to argue that they should have to account for movie money but nothing else. They will do that. If he knew about the trust for his kids and approved it, case over. I do think the family will be ordered to pay the cost of Oher’s lawyers as a sanction for not terminating the conservatorship. But then the case is over.

The main part of Oher’s filing to the probate court is that he is asking for discovery - records of finances, recorded use of his NIL, communications about his conservatorship, etc.

Oher (and his lawyers) don’t know what they don’t know. He is entitled to this information and the Tuohy’s broke the law by not proactively providing it on an annual basis to the court. This filing is just the opening of the case, as they will amend their complaint as more evidence is provided.

The Tuohy’s are clearly gearing up to fight disclosure every step of the way. Their hiring of Singer proves this. Why? Because there’s likely info that is potentially embarrassing and/or Oher is owed money.

You’re clearly not a lawyer. You don’t let plaintiffs go on a fishing expedition in your finances (especially when you’re worth $200 mill). That doesn’t mean you are guilty of anything. If an estranged relative made an accusation against you, would you freely hand over all of your personal financial records to them? If you did, you’d be a fool.

I'm a lawyer. The discovery isn't to the Tuohy's finances in general; it is directed at an accounting for the conservatorship.

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Anonymous wrote:I was on the fence on who to believe but have seen that Michael wrote in his 2011 memoir that he definitely KNEW that he had signed conservator papers…..not adoption papers as he is now claiming.

So I am compelled to believe he is broke now & looking to get some $$.

Nah. The Tuohys who never filed the expected paperwork regarding the conservatorship better come up with some answers.

Did you read the conservatorship papers? It spelled out that he had no mental or physical defects or disabilities yet they allowed the false narrative that he is intellectually disabled. It also allowed them access to all his medical information all this time. Creepy.

Let’s talk about why they never ended the conservatorship. It gave them control over every facet of his life. They have access to all his medical info. The amount of control they gave themselves was unnecessary even then when Michael was 18. This speaks volumes about them.

You have to go to court to end a conservatorship. Michael has to go to court to end it. Saying it again for the people in the back - Michael has to go to court to terminate this conservatorship. The Tuohys could have ended it at any time yet they didn’t.

What would happen if the Tuohys went to court to end it like normal people would have done? It would have gotten press and they would be exposed as the lying liars they are just as is happening now. I doubt they would ever petition the court to end it unless forced.

You can try and smear Oher all you want but the fact remains that Oher had to file to end this conservatorship and the Tuohys were never going to.

Once again people there has been no actions under this conservatorship for at least 15 years. As someone said, you are confusing Brittany.

I'm not confusing anything with the Spears conservatorship. We don't know what the Tuohys have done with it and clearly you work for them if you "know" they haven't done anything with it. They're going to owe the court an accounting of it and are going to be more than embarrassed when they have no accounting, no documentation. Say they did nothing with it all you want, but most of us don't believe them. They lie far too easily.

Why in the world do you think they would have no accounting? They can easily produce paperwork. There is a paper trail for everything.

Why am I reading that none has been filed as is expected? You make up so much stuff. What happened to your claim that numerous lawyers had dropped the case?

There is no accounting because there is nothing to account for. I bet they never opened a bank account. It sure looks like they never took any of Ohrr’s money in. He may claim the movie money but it looks like he got it or it went into a trust for his kids. And the money never came into the conservatorship. In other words it was never part of it.

So their accounting will say nothing to a cou t for. He will say BS. There will be a hearing and Oher will be able to argue that they should have to account for movie money but nothing else. They will do that. If he knew about the trust for his kids and approved it, case over. I do think the family will be ordered to pay the cost of Oher’s lawyers as a sanction for not terminating the conservatorship. But then the case is over.

The main part of Oher’s filing to the probate court is that he is asking for discovery - records of finances, recorded use of his NIL, communications about his conservatorship, etc.

Oher (and his lawyers) don’t know what they don’t know. He is entitled to this information and the Tuohy’s broke the law by not proactively providing it on an annual basis to the court. This filing is just the opening of the case, as they will amend their complaint as more evidence is provided.

The Tuohy’s are clearly gearing up to fight disclosure every step of the way. Their hiring of Singer proves this. Why? Because there’s likely info that is potentially embarrassing and/or Oher is owed money.

You’re clearly not a lawyer. You don’t let plaintiffs go on a fishing expedition in your finances (especially when you’re worth $200 mill). That doesn’t mean you are guilty of anything. If an estranged relative made an accusation against you, would you freely hand over all of your personal financial records to them? If you did, you’d be a fool.

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Anonymous wrote:I was on the fence on who to believe but have seen that Michael wrote in his 2011 memoir that he definitely KNEW that he had signed conservator papers…..not adoption papers as he is now claiming.

So I am compelled to believe he is broke now & looking to get some $$.

Nah. The Tuohys who never filed the expected paperwork regarding the conservatorship better come up with some answers.

Did you read the conservatorship papers? It spelled out that he had no mental or physical defects or disabilities yet they allowed the false narrative that he is intellectually disabled. It also allowed them access to all his medical information all this time. Creepy.

Let’s talk about why they never ended the conservatorship. It gave them control over every facet of his life. They have access to all his medical info. The amount of control they gave themselves was unnecessary even then when Michael was 18. This speaks volumes about them.

You have to go to court to end a conservatorship. Michael has to go to court to end it. Saying it again for the people in the back - Michael has to go to court to terminate this conservatorship. The Tuohys could have ended it at any time yet they didn’t.

What would happen if the Tuohys went to court to end it like normal people would have done? It would have gotten press and they would be exposed as the lying liars they are just as is happening now. I doubt they would ever petition the court to end it unless forced.

You can try and smear Oher all you want but the fact remains that Oher had to file to end this conservatorship and the Tuohys were never going to.

Once again people there has been no actions under this conservatorship for at least 15 years. As someone said, you are confusing Brittany.

I'm not confusing anything with the Spears conservatorship. We don't know what the Tuohys have done with it and clearly you work for them if you "know" they haven't done anything with it. They're going to owe the court an accounting of it and are going to be more than embarrassed when they have no accounting, no documentation. Say they did nothing with it all you want, but most of us don't believe them. They lie far too easily.

Why in the world do you think they would have no accounting? They can easily produce paperwork. There is a paper trail for everything.

Why am I reading that none has been filed as is expected? You make up so much stuff. What happened to your claim that numerous lawyers had dropped the case?

There is no accounting because there is nothing to account for. I bet they never opened a bank account. It sure looks like they never took any of Ohrr’s money in. He may claim the movie money but it looks like he got it or it went into a trust for his kids. And the money never came into the conservatorship. In other words it was never part of it.

So their accounting will say nothing to a cou t for. He will say BS. There will be a hearing and Oher will be able to argue that they should have to account for movie money but nothing else. They will do that. If he knew about the trust for his kids and approved it, case over. I do think the family will be ordered to pay the cost of Oher’s lawyers as a sanction for not terminating the conservatorship. But then the case is over.

The main part of Oher’s filing to the probate court is that he is asking for discovery - records of finances, recorded use of his NIL, communications about his conservatorship, etc.

Oher (and his lawyers) don’t know what they don’t know. He is entitled to this information and the Tuohy’s broke the law by not proactively providing it on an annual basis to the court. This filing is just the opening of the case, as they will amend their complaint as more evidence is provided.

The Tuohy’s are clearly gearing up to fight disclosure every step of the way. Their hiring of Singer proves this. Why? Because there’s likely info that is potentially embarrassing and/or Oher is owed money.

Anonymous wrote:Guardianship attorney here (my state's version of conservatorship) - I serve as guardian of the estate (conservator of finances) for many people, via court appointments primarily, and accountings are filed with the court annually whether there's "anything to show" or not. The duty to account for finances is not only if you spend funds. In most states, fiduciaries over funds (including conservators) have an affirmative duty to diversity investments, for instance. the job isn't just to watch money rot away in an account and/or spend as necessary. It's also to treat the funds in the ward's best interest, which necessarily includes investment and accounting, regardless of whether there were expenditures. Super sketchy that they failed to prepare accountings and are resisting providing documentation of what accountings should have provided.