Anonymous wrote:There's been some speculation about maybe Kate being dead, since we don't see her in the Rebecca deathbed flash forward. It occurred to me, though, that if the speculation that Miguel dies first come true, then Kate must be alive. It would be odd for the writers to make a big deal of Rebecca designating Kate as her medical proxy in the event of Miguel's death, only to have Miguel and Kate both die first.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I haven’t given up on Madison or Sophie for Kevin! Madison loves the guy but still in love with Kevin.
So weird of Elijah going through her rings with a ring sizer and getting caught by Kevin.
Agree.
And I'll come right out and say it: I don't like Elijah. Dude gives me bad vibes and I don't trust him. I think it's INSANE that he is planning to propose. The twins are still really little. Are they even a year old? I feel like he's rushing things with Madison to edge Kevin out. I don't like it for Madison. It's not in her best interest.
Didn’t he basically say that he was sticking around because he realizes he punched above his weight with a woman like Madison, since he’s a shlub and she’s hot? Yeah, I agree — as they say, he’s not there for the right reasons.
Yes. All of this. It just really rubbed me the wrong way and I really haven't liked Elijah ever since.
My prediction is that the Elijah romance falls apart (maybe he has a dark side we haven't seen) and that Kevin and Madison ultimately end up together. I think Elijah is written to be unlikable for a reason.
Yes, they purposely seem to be giving us bad vibes. So if he is asking her because he feels she’s above his league, is that love? Will she realize that before she says yes? Or will she realize she’s not really in love with him? She is so in tuned to Kevin and his feelings and moods, she’s still in love with him.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I haven’t given up on Madison or Sophie for Kevin! Madison loves the guy but still in love with Kevin.
So weird of Elijah going through her rings with a ring sizer and getting caught by Kevin.
Agree.
And I'll come right out and say it: I don't like Elijah. Dude gives me bad vibes and I don't trust him. I think it's INSANE that he is planning to propose. The twins are still really little. Are they even a year old? I feel like he's rushing things with Madison to edge Kevin out. I don't like it for Madison. It's not in her best interest.
Didn’t he basically say that he was sticking around because he realizes he punched above his weight with a woman like Madison, since he’s a shlub and she’s hot? Yeah, I agree — as they say, he’s not there for the right reasons.
Yes. All of this. It just really rubbed me the wrong way and I really haven't liked Elijah ever since.
My prediction is that the Elijah romance falls apart (maybe he has a dark side we haven't seen) and that Kevin and Madison ultimately end up together. I think Elijah is written to be unlikable for a reason.
Yes, they purposely seem to be giving us bad vibes. So if he is asking her because he feels she’s above his league, is that love? Will she realize that before she says yes? Or will she realize she’s not really in love with him? She is so in tuned to Kevin and his feelings and moods, she’s still in love with him.
She just told Kevin she really loves Elijah and she's excited he's proposing.
Sounded to me like she was trying to convince Kevin.
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I really don't think so. I think she thinks she loves him, but she can't possibly know him well enough after 6 months.
Seriously?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I haven’t given up on Madison or Sophie for Kevin! Madison loves the guy but still in love with Kevin.
So weird of Elijah going through her rings with a ring sizer and getting caught by Kevin.
Agree.
And I'll come right out and say it: I don't like Elijah. Dude gives me bad vibes and I don't trust him. I think it's INSANE that he is planning to propose. The twins are still really little. Are they even a year old? I feel like he's rushing things with Madison to edge Kevin out. I don't like it for Madison. It's not in her best interest.
Didn’t he basically say that he was sticking around because he realizes he punched above his weight with a woman like Madison, since he’s a shlub and she’s hot? Yeah, I agree — as they say, he’s not there for the right reasons.
Yes. All of this. It just really rubbed me the wrong way and I really haven't liked Elijah ever since.
My prediction is that the Elijah romance falls apart (maybe he has a dark side we haven't seen) and that Kevin and Madison ultimately end up together. I think Elijah is written to be unlikable for a reason.
Yes, they purposely seem to be giving us bad vibes. So if he is asking her because he feels she’s above his league, is that love? Will she realize that before she says yes? Or will she realize she’s not really in love with him? She is so in tuned to Kevin and his feelings and moods, she’s still in love with him.
She just told Kevin she really loves Elijah and she's excited he's proposing.
Sounded to me like she was trying to convince Kevin.
This
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I haven’t given up on Madison or Sophie for Kevin! Madison loves the guy but still in love with Kevin.
So weird of Elijah going through her rings with a ring sizer and getting caught by Kevin.
Agree.
And I'll come right out and say it: I don't like Elijah. Dude gives me bad vibes and I don't trust him. I think it's INSANE that he is planning to propose. The twins are still really little. Are they even a year old? I feel like he's rushing things with Madison to edge Kevin out. I don't like it for Madison. It's not in her best interest.
Didn’t he basically say that he was sticking around because he realizes he punched above his weight with a woman like Madison, since he’s a shlub and she’s hot? Yeah, I agree — as they say, he’s not there for the right reasons.
Yes. All of this. It just really rubbed me the wrong way and I really haven't liked Elijah ever since.
My prediction is that the Elijah romance falls apart (maybe he has a dark side we haven't seen) and that Kevin and Madison ultimately end up together. I think Elijah is written to be unlikable for a reason.
Yes, they purposely seem to be giving us bad vibes. So if he is asking her because he feels she’s above his league, is that love? Will she realize that before she says yes? Or will she realize she’s not really in love with him? She is so in tuned to Kevin and his feelings and moods, she’s still in love with him.
She just told Kevin she really loves Elijah and she's excited he's proposing.
Sounded to me like she was trying to convince Kevin.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I haven’t given up on Madison or Sophie for Kevin! Madison loves the guy but still in love with Kevin.
So weird of Elijah going through her rings with a ring sizer and getting caught by Kevin.
Agree.
And I'll come right out and say it: I don't like Elijah. Dude gives me bad vibes and I don't trust him. I think it's INSANE that he is planning to propose. The twins are still really little. Are they even a year old? I feel like he's rushing things with Madison to edge Kevin out. I don't like it for Madison. It's not in her best interest.
Didn’t he basically say that he was sticking around because he realizes he punched above his weight with a woman like Madison, since he’s a shlub and she’s hot? Yeah, I agree — as they say, he’s not there for the right reasons.
Yes. All of this. It just really rubbed me the wrong way and I really haven't liked Elijah ever since.
My prediction is that the Elijah romance falls apart (maybe he has a dark side we haven't seen) and that Kevin and Madison ultimately end up together. I think Elijah is written to be unlikable for a reason.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Little Jack is so cute! And a great actor!
No kidding! I kept watching to see if they were dubbing his lines or editing like crazy, because that was pretty incredible.
I wonder if the little actor's blindness had an impact on that. I could imagine that a vision impairment might heighten the kid's perception and emotional intelligence in a way that translates into better acting skill, even at that tiny age.
I wonder if they just improvised with him - let him talk and be the wing actors as he discussed his shoes, the park, etc.
Anonymous wrote:Kate is my least favorite character at this point. The way she speaks to Toby is awful. So much disdain. And then she blames him for Jack escaping even after she realized her part in it by not locking the door. The fight was pretty believable and a good scene overall, but Kevin and Randall should never have gotten involved. And Kate just stands there behind her brothers and let’s them swoop in to “protect” her.
Toby isn’t perfect either but Kate is insufferable.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the Big Green Egg company asked them not to make their grill a villain.
Seriously, first the crock pot and then the Green Egg. Two appliance villains would have been super lazy writing. I like this episode and I thought the big fight between Toby and Kate was well acted and written. I felt the contempt, resentment and hurt from both of them.
So far I am on Toby’s side. Kate told him to take the job in SF. Did she think they would live apart forever? Or did she subconsciously want him out of her life?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I haven’t given up on Madison or Sophie for Kevin! Madison loves the guy but still in love with Kevin.
So weird of Elijah going through her rings with a ring sizer and getting caught by Kevin.
Agree.
And I'll come right out and say it: I don't like Elijah. Dude gives me bad vibes and I don't trust him. I think it's INSANE that he is planning to propose. The twins are still really little. Are they even a year old? I feel like he's rushing things with Madison to edge Kevin out. I don't like it for Madison. It's not in her best interest.
Didn’t he basically say that he was sticking around because he realizes he punched above his weight with a woman like Madison, since he’s a shlub and she’s hot? Yeah, I agree — as they say, he’s not there for the right reasons.
Yes. All of this. It just really rubbed me the wrong way and I really haven't liked Elijah ever since.
My prediction is that the Elijah romance falls apart (maybe he has a dark side we haven't seen) and that Kevin and Madison ultimately end up together. I think Elijah is written to be unlikable for a reason.
Yes, they purposely seem to be giving us bad vibes. So if he is asking her because he feels she’s above his league, is that love? Will she realize that before she says yes? Or will she realize she’s not really in love with him? She is so in tuned to Kevin and his feelings and moods, she’s still in love with him.
She just told Kevin she really loves Elijah and she's excited he's proposing.
I don't think we can automatically take this at face value.
It could be her pride speaking after Kevin couldn't say he loved her. She could also be saying it to reassure Kevin that she was okay and he shouldn't feel guilty about not loving her.
Both of those explanations would make perfect sense for her character and their relationship.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the Big Green Egg company asked them not to make their grill a villain.
Seriously, first the crock pot and then the Green Egg. Two appliance villains would have been super lazy writing. I like this episode and I thought the big fight between Toby and Kate was well acted and written. I felt the contempt, resentment and hurt from both of them.