Anonymous
Post 09/19/2021 19:08     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Any chance he just left her after they had another fight, and she died in the elements?


There’s always that chance. Seems unlikely at this point, tho.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2021 19:05     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Brian’s parents knew and lied through their teeth.


If they listened to their lawyer, they likely said nothing.


It’s so creepy that they were lawyering up on September 1st while that girls body was rotting in the forest. A girl their son GREW UP WITH. And knowing she was dead they still said nothing as her parents called them for 10 days straight.

They just wanted to know if their daughter was alright.

How can you live with yourself?
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2021 19:05     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Any chance he just left her after they had another fight, and she died in the elements?
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2021 19:04     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
The bodycam video is so heartbreaking for a mother to watch! Why didn’t that broken girl call her parents and beg them to come get her!! As a mother - I am just gutted that she wouldn’t share that with her parents.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2021 19:04     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is so sad. I really feel for the police officers that stopped them. I do really think they were doing their best to assess the situation and it can be so difficult because dv victims have been manipulated and made to feel like the problem so deeply that they can be very convincing. And it’s also really hard for even well meaning men not to connect and collude with men who in fact are often abusers as you see the police officers doing in the video multiple times (both talk about their wives or ex wives having anxiety. Anyway they seemed like they cared about their job and were trying to do the best they could and are human like all of us and now I’m sure are feeling guilt about this. It seemed like one of the officers was new on the job and being trained. Ugh. It would be great if men would stop.killing.women. Uggh


The did everything they could possibly do. They took her aside. They were so kind to her. They offered her options. But, they couldn’t force her to stay away from him. I’m sure they are second guessing everything. I feel so bad for them.


Pp here, exactly I totally agree. I feel terribly that they will carry this guilt when it did seem like they genuinely tried to do their best - like you said separating her and trying to determine what happened. And like you said there was no evidence to separate them further than they did. In discussing the colluding etc, I didn’t mean that in a negative fashion to them- it happened to most of us watching the video if you read this thread. Abusers are so good at appearing harmless. Just meant they were in such a hard position and we are all going to look for ways to connect with someone which makes it hard for male cops. I really really feel for them. And agree they were incredibly kind for her and took far more time than I would expect law enforcement to do honeslty


The more we say "Aw, shucks, they did the best they could" the more things will never change. Law enforcement need bias training and mental health training. They need to have independent mental health coordinators to review the footage and go over it with them so they can improve. People have been adept at reading his behavior from the video, and instead of being defensive, they should want to learn from it. Especially since we now know how it turns out.

And, no this is not a rant on policing. It's saying that while most have good intentions, those intentions are not enough. They need updated skills and training.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2021 19:04     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I knew when the search dogs left it was her.

Can they make Brian as a suspect now? Please??? And charge the parents with obstruction/accessory after the fact? Lying scumbags.

Unless it was really obvious how she died they may have to wait for the autopsy. She could of died by accident or a drug overdose and he’s going to claim he was afraid and left.


Did you watch the police cam footage? He's a deranged liar who exerted control over her, insulted her, and blamed her for everything while she just took it. Okay? He killed her.


He knew it was very unlikely she would be found alive. The crime scene may have been tough. Or, he could have a daughter that age. My DH was really shaken up after finding a dead child the same age as ours was.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2021 19:01     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Brian’s parents knew and lied through their teeth.


If they listened to their lawyer, they likely said nothing.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2021 18:58     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's just so sad. Ugh

She was lovely. He seems like a normal guy. A bit weird but like a million other sons, brothers, boyfriends. But he killed another human. Insane. It kind of makes me think about what we're all capable of


He spent the whole video trying to charm the police and worried about himself. Just like Chris Watts. If that’s a ‘million other sons, brothers, boyfriends’ and husbands - what does that say?


Yes, anyone who has worked with domestic violence victims has seen this type of gaslighting and she’s the actual abuser tactics before. The police here were either not trained properly or just not doing a particularly good job.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2021 18:54     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Brian’s parents knew and lied through their teeth.


They should be charged as accessories after the fact. 2-5 years in state prison will do nicely.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2021 18:54     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Brian’s parents knew and lied through their teeth.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2021 18:53     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is so sad. I really feel for the police officers that stopped them. I do really think they were doing their best to assess the situation and it can be so difficult because dv victims have been manipulated and made to feel like the problem so deeply that they can be very convincing. And it’s also really hard for even well meaning men not to connect and collude with men who in fact are often abusers as you see the police officers doing in the video multiple times (both talk about their wives or ex wives having anxiety. Anyway they seemed like they cared about their job and were trying to do the best they could and are human like all of us and now I’m sure are feeling guilt about this. It seemed like one of the officers was new on the job and being trained. Ugh. It would be great if men would stop.killing.women. Uggh


The did everything they could possibly do. They took her aside. They were so kind to her. They offered her options. But, they couldn’t force her to stay away from him. I’m sure they are second guessing everything. I feel so bad for them.


Pp here, exactly I totally agree. I feel terribly that they will carry this guilt when it did seem like they genuinely tried to do their best - like you said separating her and trying to determine what happened. And like you said there was no evidence to separate them further than they did. In discussing the colluding etc, I didn’t mean that in a negative fashion to them- it happened to most of us watching the video if you read this thread. Abusers are so good at appearing harmless. Just meant they were in such a hard position and we are all going to look for ways to connect with someone which makes it hard for male cops. I really really feel for them. And agree they were incredibly kind for her and took far more time than I would expect law enforcement to do honeslty
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2021 18:52     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
I can’t believe anyone is still defending Brian now.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2021 18:51     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Just because he’s an experienced agent doesn’t make him a robot. Maybe he has a daughter that age.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2021 18:50     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is so sad. I really feel for the police officers that stopped them. I do really think they were doing their best to assess the situation and it can be so difficult because dv victims have been manipulated and made to feel like the problem so deeply that they can be very convincing. And it’s also really hard for even well meaning men not to connect and collude with men who in fact are often abusers as you see the police officers doing in the video multiple times (both talk about their wives or ex wives having anxiety. Anyway they seemed like they cared about their job and were trying to do the best they could and are human like all of us and now I’m sure are feeling guilt about this. It seemed like one of the officers was new on the job and being trained. Ugh. It would be great if men would stop.killing.women. Uggh


The did everything they could possibly do. They took her aside. They were so kind to her. They offered her options. But, they couldn’t force her to stay away from him. I’m sure they are second guessing everything. I feel so bad for them.


Did we watch the same video?

She was full on sobbing in the backseat. Clearly upset and anxious about something.

Then they put their little killer buddy up in a hotel and left her to fend for herself in a desert in a van.

I’m not saying they should be fired but let’s not pretend they gave a rat’s behind about that girl. They spent more time explaining the difference between a Class A and Class B felony and how it would look on his record than anything to do with ensuring she wasn’t a DV victim.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2021 18:49     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Heartbroken. Even the detective sounds like his voice is breaking.


The FBI agent looks really shaken. So sad.


I thought he just looked really nervous.


He was shaken. I’m married to an FBI agent. And I train law enforcement every day. 🙁


He’s a senior agent - so he’s experienced. Would his demeanor be due to the cause/manner in which she died? Or he really believed they’d find her alive after three weeks?


They are dealings with remains and still have more remains to collect yet. I'm sure that is extra difficult to communicate to a family.