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So in the end Jen “won” but somehow today she cries endlessly about all the hurt she has suffered and how the patriarchy blah blah blah. But nowadays she might attend once or twice a year. Too painful, she says. What a victim.

Is she just staying away from church indefinitely? Because I am sure in Austin there are a gazillion churches with rainbow flags. I can understand her wanting to take a break from attending services, but it's been years. She seems very lost and now is clinging to an overgrown boy-man who gifts her son a free litter robot (aren't those expensive to maintain? Kind of like razors and blades?)

Doesn't sound like she's much of a joiner.

So in the end Jen “won” but somehow today she cries endlessly about all the hurt she has suffered and how the patriarchy blah blah blah. But nowadays she might attend once or twice a year. Too painful, she says. What a victim.

Is she just staying away from church indefinitely? Because I am sure in Austin there are a gazillion churches with rainbow flags. I can understand her wanting to take a break from attending services, but it's been years. She seems very lost and now is clinging to an overgrown boy-man who gifts her son a free litter robot (aren't those expensive to maintain? Kind of like razors and blades?)

It’s worse than that. Jen was the abuser and false accuser against the church she and her husband served at before they started ANC. They basically hurt a lot of people with their public statements about how fake and commercial and “surface” it all was. Hurt a lot of relationships. All her and Brandon’s doing. It was all a cynical marketing plan. You see, the Hatmakers were the “good guys”, those with a pure and virtuous heart for the Gospel. The others, the mega church, all frauds and only about appearances.

Wow- I am no ANC-er but I read many of her earlier books, and "Interrupted" did kind of put their church in an unflattering, uncharitable light. But because I was a fan of her and her mission, I was happy for her and Brandon to break away from that "superficial, fruitless" church and start their own church that really catered to the marginalized in creative and meaningful ways. I now feel awful for the folks they publicly maligned.

Our church is going through a season of staff issues and discontent, and dealing with it thoughtfully has been such a hard job for our congregational president. We have a few families who bad mouth the church to other former members and other people, and it's just awful. Our church really serves the community with a sincere heart, and the same people who faithfully volunteer week in and week out have to deal with gossip from this small, unhappy group who don't seem interested in unity or reconciliation at all. I can see how Jen and Brandon really did some damage- for which neither will ever apologize.

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The Southern Baptists nationwide are meeting this week and talking about women’s rights so she will probably have the urge to post about church again shortly and will point out that she’s a pastor herself but organized religious groups like the ones who provided her her life of fame and fortune produce bad fruit for everyone else

Years ago, and it's worth looking up, the Mama Bear Apologetics podcast did a very. very thoughtful breakdown of Jen's interview with Jonathan Merrit where she proclaimed that non-affirming churches were producing "bad fruit." Because Jen is making up her own theology as she goes along (and using it to judge other churches.) And now she doesn't attend any church at all?

It’s worse than that. Jen was the abuser and false accuser against the church she and her husband served at before they started ANC. They basically hurt a lot of people with their public statements about how fake and commercial and “surface” it all was. Hurt a lot of relationships. All her and Brandon’s doing. It was all a cynical marketing plan. You see, the Hatmakers were the “good guys”, those with a pure and virtuous heart for the Gospel. The others, the mega church, all frauds and only about appearances.

Then after, ANC, a church built in Jen’s image that did a 180 degree “shift” to an affirming position AFTER the head pastors wife, not on staff, not an elder, made in the press. ANC immediately moved to Jen’s position and the internal “debate” was a total farce meant to confirm towards one possible outcome. Some of you were there. You can attest.

So in the end Jen “won” but somehow today she cries endlessly about all the hurt she has suffered and how the patriarchy blah blah blah. But nowadays she might attend once or twice a year. Too painful, she says. What a victim.

The Southern Baptists nationwide are meeting this week and talking about women’s rights so she will probably have the urge to post about church again shortly and will point out that she’s a pastor herself but organized religious groups like the ones who provided her her life of fame and fortune produce bad fruit for everyone else

Years ago, and it's worth looking up, the Mama Bear Apologetics podcast did a very. very thoughtful breakdown of Jen's interview with Jonathan Merrit where she proclaimed that non-affirming churches were producing "bad fruit." Because Jen is making up her own theology as she goes along (and using it to judge other churches.) And now she doesn't attend any church at all?

Jamie probably has committed to her sponsors a certain number of podcasts for this season. Do podcasts have seasons, like TV?
I think she announced that there were several pods banked so there would be no interruption of streaming? But yes, it looks in poor taste on her part while her husband has caused harm and hurt to someone, possibly more.

Meant to say awhile Jamie’s husband was away…

Why is Jamie Ivey continuing to release podcasts every week after the victim released a statement about her husband grooming him when he was a teen? If it’s to honor the guests she interviewed on her podcast (as she claims), that means she was continuing to just bop along life while Jamie was at pretend sex rehab and record and bank podcast interviews as if nothing happened during her break. I guess I’m just confused that these people don’t seem to really stop and process anything.

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And then posts about trying to change the church… start within

Is Jen attending any church these days? I feel that if you are going to change the church then you need to settle down and pick one and then start serving. NOT in leadership roles- I don't care what you think your spiritual gifts are. Usher, help clean up after services, volunteer to visit the homebound.

Complaining about the church and all it's foibles is de rigueur these days and is also a cottage industry in the world of publishing. Of course, it's always about what's wrong with someone else.

BINGO.
Building your entire personality (and brand) around “deconstructing” the church is a great way of announcing your narcissism.

Anonymous wrote:She might make an appearance once or twice a year, but she’s not really into that sort of thing anymore in any real sense.

Like many exvangelicals she’s more or less post Christian these days.

The Southern Baptists nationwide are meeting this week and talking about women’s rights so she will probably have the urge to post about church again shortly and will point out that she’s a pastor herself but organized religious groups like the ones who provided her her life of fame and fortune produce bad fruit for everyone else.

Anonymous wrote:

And then posts about trying to change the church… start within

Is Jen attending any church these days? I feel that if you are going to change the church then you need to settle down and pick one and then start serving. NOT in leadership roles- I don't care what you think your spiritual gifts are. Usher, help clean up after services, volunteer to visit the homebound.

Complaining about the church and all it's foibles is de rigueur these days and is also a cottage industry in the world of publishing. Of course, it's always about what's wrong with someone else.

Anonymous wrote:

And then posts about trying to change the church… start within

Is Jen attending any church these days? I feel that if you are going to change the church then you need to settle down and pick one and then start serving. NOT in leadership roles- I don't care what you think your spiritual gifts are. Usher, help clean up after services, volunteer to visit the homebound.

Jen can’t even stomach going to ANC anymore, the church she built in her own image. She might make an appearance once or twice a year, but she’s not really into that sort of thing anymore in any real sense.

I doubt she would ever be content to go to any normal church not centered around her and her beliefs.

Like many exvangelicals she’s more or less post Christian these days.

And then posts about trying to change the church… start within

Is Jen attending any church these days? I feel that if you are going to change the church then you need to settle down and pick one and then start serving. NOT in leadership roles- I don't care what you think your spiritual gifts are. Usher, help clean up after services, volunteer to visit the homebound.

Very odd. Her OTT birthday post to Tyler was that he’s the best because there’s no bigger hype man and he bribes her friends and family. First of all, has she been spending too much time with Oprah? No one NEEDS a new iPhone to travel. No one NEEDS a robot litter. So she’s just waving expensive, indulgent consumerism around as if it’s something to be proud of. And then posts about trying to change the church… start within. I appreciate expensive indulgent stuff my partner buys me from time to time but the heart of an ode to him would be about the priceless moments we have together. For me, this demonstrates a declining maturing from where Jen has come and the work that she’s done.

Then somehow the “biggest hype man” in her life, who is also a public figure, rarely mentions her in public and when he does, the scope of the message is that Jen is pretty cool… hmmm. Her post comes off as a major dig at Brandon (in line with recurring post-divorce theme about Brandon making her “feel small”).

Yet her ex-husband also bought her and her friends gifts and was the go-to person for her kids. Brandon also posted about her regularly, actual gushing posts and not just, “yeah I know this dope lady”.

So even if Tyler truly is an extraordinary boyfriend behind the scenes, it’s just terrible social media strategy to promote a public figure love interest who doesn’t promote you back. This tells me, she has not only declined in maturity but in business sense as well.

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Anonymous wrote:I know for a fact that Jen absolutely hates seeing Magnolia Magazines at check outs at the grocery store.

She and her ex so wanted to be the next Chip and Joanna Gaines.

Now they are building a beloved and growing business and enriching a community and she’s us shilling dildos and sex boosting gummies.

How do you know this for a fact?

I’m not the original poster, and have no idea how anyone outside of Jen’s inner circle would know this. But here’s what I picture:

I’m in Kroger minding my own business. I get in line at checkout and realize I’m standing behind THE Jen Hatmaker. I recognize the bleach blonde hair and bright red skin. Further confirmation is that her basket is full of wine and her t-shirt says “Tyler’s”. Does she own anything else?
I see her glance over at the magazine stand. She stops She stares. I see her eyes alight with the fury of a thousand suns. Her face gets even redder. She screams “MAGNOLIIIAAAAA!” as she rips the entire stand down. Her maniacal cackle follows, as if she just threw a Monopoly board across the room. In shock I glance up and lock eyes with her son Caleb. He flips me off and they both walk away.

On vacation and I spit out my mimosa! So funny.

Jen stands impatiently in the que at HEB with her cart of wine. She has to be back in the office in 30 minutes for her sizzling part 2 interview with the girl who once accused a supreme court justice of sexual assault back in 1982 so her redness starts to flare as the line doesn't seem to be shortening. Looking over she sees the magazine rack and stops cold. There, on the cover she sees her former cast mate from her television days. The woman, pretty and long haired in a pretty sun dress, is sitting just so on the steps of what looks to be a quaint country cottage holding a plate of beautifully arranged charcuterie, an inviting smile on her face. Grabbing the magazine in a fury, Jen's blood pressure spikes to new heights. This was supposed to be ME, she hisses, as she flings the magazine to the ground, pushes her cart away, and stomps off. WE were supposed to be the king and queen of HGTV, not them!