Anonymous
01/27/2022 12:11
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
It’s very clear that most of the posters here do not have any actual nonprofit or charity experience. It costs money to run those organizations. You need staff. You need benefits to attract and keep good staff. There’s overhead. Depending on how you set up the organization and where it’s located, you may have to pay taxes on certain things. LOTS of nonprofits and charities invest a portion of their funds so that the money continues to grow even if donations are down. There’s fundraising and marketing costs. You need money to pay independent auditors. The list goes on.
You may not want to hear this, but nonprofits and charities are businesses too; the only difference is where the profit goes at the end of the day. People who complain that not enough of their dollar is going to the mission or that a nonprofit CEO is getting paid too much don’t understand this. Business is all about money. It costs to money make money. It’s the exact same in nonprofits.
This is not to say you shouldn’t be skeptical. You absolutely should. Do your research and ask questions. If something doesn’t seem right then it’s probably not. If you can’t find an organizations records or they are not upfront about those things, then yeah, that’s shady.
But every time I see people posting and complaining that not enough of their dollar is going to the mission, I think it’s really just doing a disservice to nonprofits and charities because that makes people not want to donate. When in reality nonprofits need operational money too. Do you want a successful nonprofit? One that brings in millions and millions a year? Then you have to have the infrastructure and the staff who has the ability to be able to bring that in. That all costs MONEY.
And no, I am not and do not claim to be related to hatmakers or their charity in anyway. Just somebody who reads these threads, agrees with most things that have been said, and also has worked in nonprofits for the last 30 years. The last thing I will say is that giving circles inherently are not shady. Again be skeptical into your research, but giving circles have been around for a very long time and a lot of them do good work.
You may not want to hear this, but nonprofits and charities are businesses too; the only difference is where the profit goes at the end of the day. People who complain that not enough of their dollar is going to the mission or that a nonprofit CEO is getting paid too much don’t understand this. Business is all about money. It costs to money make money. It’s the exact same in nonprofits.
This is not to say you shouldn’t be skeptical. You absolutely should. Do your research and ask questions. If something doesn’t seem right then it’s probably not. If you can’t find an organizations records or they are not upfront about those things, then yeah, that’s shady.
But every time I see people posting and complaining that not enough of their dollar is going to the mission, I think it’s really just doing a disservice to nonprofits and charities because that makes people not want to donate. When in reality nonprofits need operational money too. Do you want a successful nonprofit? One that brings in millions and millions a year? Then you have to have the infrastructure and the staff who has the ability to be able to bring that in. That all costs MONEY.
And no, I am not and do not claim to be related to hatmakers or their charity in anyway. Just somebody who reads these threads, agrees with most things that have been said, and also has worked in nonprofits for the last 30 years. The last thing I will say is that giving circles inherently are not shady. Again be skeptical into your research, but giving circles have been around for a very long time and a lot of them do good work.
Anonymous
01/27/2022 10:47
Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker
^ Exactly.
People earn money by how they spend their time - what is she spending her time doing? Legacy, and influencing. Those things must be earning her money.
Also, the language from the breakup implied (as previously discussed) that there was some sort of shocking, unusual reason for the breakup. Embezzlement or financial crimes/malfeasance is definitely in the realm of possibility.
I'm not super active here, but I do check the page periodically. I can't speak for everyone, but I certainly don't hate Jen or wish her ill. The reason I'm so curious is because I did value her writing and ideas, and it's sad and confusing to me what a wildly different direction her messaging has taken.
People earn money by how they spend their time - what is she spending her time doing? Legacy, and influencing. Those things must be earning her money.
Also, the language from the breakup implied (as previously discussed) that there was some sort of shocking, unusual reason for the breakup. Embezzlement or financial crimes/malfeasance is definitely in the realm of possibility.
I'm not super active here, but I do check the page periodically. I can't speak for everyone, but I certainly don't hate Jen or wish her ill. The reason I'm so curious is because I did value her writing and ideas, and it's sad and confusing to me what a wildly different direction her messaging has taken.
Anonymous
01/27/2022 10:22
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Nothing wrong with healthy skepticism.
When someone is clearly trying to make as much bank as possible with her endless promotions, discount codes, and “courses”; it’s ok to question whether or not her motivations with LC are genuine. I mean, she’s asking for people to give $1,000 per month to HER charity. Wondering how much she’s skimming off the top is…… dare I say…… normal?
And then take into account that this charity is merely collecting money to give to other charities? Seriously? The entire business model is to be a middle man? That’s sketch, regardless of who is promoting it.
When someone is clearly trying to make as much bank as possible with her endless promotions, discount codes, and “courses”; it’s ok to question whether or not her motivations with LC are genuine. I mean, she’s asking for people to give $1,000 per month to HER charity. Wondering how much she’s skimming off the top is…… dare I say…… normal?
And then take into account that this charity is merely collecting money to give to other charities? Seriously? The entire business model is to be a middle man? That’s sketch, regardless of who is promoting it.
Anonymous
01/27/2022 10:16
Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker
Here’s my take- 20% give or take for admin (actually closer to 28% with Marketing expenses factored in, as disclosed in their “annual report”).
So, I give my hard earned dollar to Jenn and her do gooders. Let’s say .25 is taken from my dollar for admin and marketing for LC. Now, that leaves $0.75 to go to the charity. However, let’s say that the charity of their choice also has marketing and administrative costs of around 25%. Now my dollar donation that I think is going to some great cause is now down to $0.50 that actually goes to the people actually needing it. I do understand that charities have overhead, administrative costs, marketing costs, etc. but a little research will show you that the range of these costs vary wildly. And, I don’t particularly want to fund two charities’ expenses just to get my money to a good cause. I’d rather determine for myself and make sure that as much money as possible of my donation actually gets directly to the people or cause for which it was intended. LC just seems a bit of a scheme to me. It just feels a icky and disingenuous.
Make no mistake, the non profit/charity business is big business. Don’t be fooled by what you think are solely altruistic intentions.
So, I give my hard earned dollar to Jenn and her do gooders. Let’s say .25 is taken from my dollar for admin and marketing for LC. Now, that leaves $0.75 to go to the charity. However, let’s say that the charity of their choice also has marketing and administrative costs of around 25%. Now my dollar donation that I think is going to some great cause is now down to $0.50 that actually goes to the people actually needing it. I do understand that charities have overhead, administrative costs, marketing costs, etc. but a little research will show you that the range of these costs vary wildly. And, I don’t particularly want to fund two charities’ expenses just to get my money to a good cause. I’d rather determine for myself and make sure that as much money as possible of my donation actually gets directly to the people or cause for which it was intended. LC just seems a bit of a scheme to me. It just feels a icky and disingenuous.
Make no mistake, the non profit/charity business is big business. Don’t be fooled by what you think are solely altruistic intentions.
Here’s my hot take…
Commenters, how have you used your influence for good? To give a solitary dollar? My guess is there isn’t much there. As to Legacy, admin costs are a reality? Whether you believe “Brandon” or not…the orgs are benefitting from dollars they would not otherwise get.
I appreciate the direction to the page with the reports. I see the diverse board who are generally altruistic by nature…and my guess is they wouldn’t lend their names and influence to a grift. What do they have to gain?
I see so much cattiness and snark and outright hatred on the page it’s sickening. Because my guess the main culprits are the “Christian” right women who were pissed at Jen’s defection from their beloved fundie Christian evangelical bubble. Get over yourselves. Do your own work. Worry about your own damn miserable lives.
Anonymous
01/27/2022 07:16
Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No dog in this fight but their annual report says they raised $1.5M and granted $1.1M in 2021. That’s a pretty good ratio if true. What’s the allegation exactly?
400K in administrative costs is “pretty good”?
I think that is what the poster above referenced and what is annoying to me, personally. 400k in admin costs is over 20%. The business model is that LC knows better than you how and who to give to and as a result it dilutes the gift impact by 20%. I wish they would support charities and NPOs by encouraging direct giving instead of a managed fund.
Here’s my take- 20% give or take for admin (actually closer to 28% with Marketing expenses factored in, as disclosed in their “annual report”).
So, I give my hard earned dollar to Jenn and her do gooders. Let’s say .25 is taken from my dollar for admin and marketing for LC. Now, that leaves $0.75 to go to the charity. However, let’s say that the charity of their choice also has marketing and administrative costs of around 25%. Now my dollar donation that I think is going to some great cause is now down to $0.50 that actually goes to the people actually needing it. I do understand that charities have overhead, administrative costs, marketing costs, etc. but a little research will show you that the range of these costs vary wildly. And, I don’t particularly want to fund two charities’ expenses just to get my money to a good cause. I’d rather determine for myself and make sure that as much money as possible of my donation actually gets directly to the people or cause for which it was intended. LC just seems a bit of a scheme to me. It just feels a icky and disingenuous.
Make no mistake, the non profit/charity business is big business. Don’t be fooled by what you think are solely altruistic intentions.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 22:38
Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No dog in this fight but their annual report says they raised $1.5M and granted $1.1M in 2021. That’s a pretty good ratio if true. What’s the allegation exactly?
400K in administrative costs is “pretty good”?
I think that is what the poster above referenced and what is annoying to me, personally. 400k in admin costs is over 20%. The business model is that LC knows better than you how and who to give to and as a result it dilutes the gift impact by 20%. I wish they would support charities and NPOs by encouraging direct giving instead of a managed fund.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 20:35
Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:No dog in this fight but their annual report says they raised $1.5M and granted $1.1M in 2021. That’s a pretty good ratio if true. What’s the allegation exactly?
400K in administrative costs is “pretty good”?
Anonymous
01/26/2022 16:28
Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:No dog in this fight but their annual report says they raised $1.5M and granted $1.1M in 2021. That’s a pretty good ratio if true. What’s the allegation exactly?
No real allegation, just busy body moms with nothing better to do.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 15:53
Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker
No dog in this fight but their annual report says they raised $1.5M and granted $1.1M in 2021. That’s a pretty good ratio if true. What’s the allegation exactly?
Anonymous
01/26/2022 15:05
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Who’s going to Jen’s house for dinner?
So I am sick of this.
Yup. It’s Brandon.
Legacy Collective is legit. Totally transparent for donors. Do your research. Pure, Inc DBA as Pure Charity. Stop your conjecture. Neither Jen nor I make zero dollars off donations. I personally volunteered for three years to start the initiative. It does amazing work. And is incredibly effective. Stop the witch hunt. Jen is the real deal. And so is Legacy Collective. Shame on you for your unfounded accusations.
Of course we believe that you are Brandon and everything is legit.
Don't charities have to make public all their tax info? If so, there probably is a way to find this out. Proof is in the paperwork...assuming it's legit.
LOLOLOLOL Hi "Brandon"
Proof is in the paperwork, hoss. Maybe you want to share why in your three years volunteering LC has no annual reports or even a legit tax status.
https://legacycollective.org/about-us/ (scroll to the bottom)
Anonymous
01/26/2022 14:50
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Who’s going to Jen’s house for dinner?
Oh, I’ll be there. You know, because I’m too stupid to figure out which charities I want to support on my own. Let me give this clearinghouse a ton of money and let them give it away for me. All the while, board take administrative fees to fund themselves. No thanks…. I’m sorry that whole Legacy Collective just seems like the biggest farce to me. So an “investor” commits to $250/month in donations ($3,000/yr) and a “founder” commits to $1,000/month ($12,000/yr) to some nebulous charity that takes an unknown amount of “administrative” fees and I have little to no say in where my money is sent. No thanks Jen.
She’s looking for 50 investors or founders. If she gets 50 founders, that’s $600K. Hell, I’d host 50 folks at my house too for that kind of coin.
Spot on. This is such a gross grift. I went looking for answers about LC and all I found was pass through organizations. No one knows how much is actually going to charity and I’d be willing to be it isn’t a lot.
Jen, since you’re reading this, post the books. And how much exactly did Brandon “borrow” that you had to pay back?
Whoa. Spill the tea.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 07:27
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Who’s going to Jen’s house for dinner?
So I am sick of this.
Yup. It’s Brandon.
Legacy Collective is legit. Totally transparent for donors. Do your research. Pure, Inc DBA as Pure Charity. Stop your conjecture. Neither Jen nor I make zero dollars off donations. I personally volunteered for three years to start the initiative. It does amazing work. And is incredibly effective. Stop the witch hunt. Jen is the real deal. And so is Legacy Collective. Shame on you for your unfounded accusations.
Of course we believe that you are Brandon and everything is legit.
Don't charities have to make public all their tax info? If so, there probably is a way to find this out. Proof is in the paperwork...assuming it's legit.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 04:30
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Who’s going to Jen’s house for dinner?
So I am sick of this.
Yup. It’s Brandon.
Legacy Collective is legit. Totally transparent for donors. Do your research. Pure, Inc DBA as Pure Charity. Stop your conjecture. Neither Jen nor I make zero dollars off donations. I personally volunteered for three years to start the initiative. It does amazing work. And is incredibly effective. Stop the witch hunt. Jen is the real deal. And so is Legacy Collective. Shame on you for your unfounded accusations.
‘Sup bro?
Anonymous
01/26/2022 01:54
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:Who’s going to Jen’s house for dinner?
So I am sick of this.
Yup. It’s Brandon.
Legacy Collective is legit. Totally transparent for donors. Do your research. Pure, Inc DBA as Pure Charity. Stop your conjecture. Neither Jen nor I make zero dollars off donations. I personally volunteered for three years to start the initiative. It does amazing work. And is incredibly effective. Stop the witch hunt. Jen is the real deal. And so is Legacy Collective. Shame on you for your unfounded accusations.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 00:13
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Who’s going to Jen’s house for dinner?
Oh, I’ll be there. You know, because I’m too stupid to figure out which charities I want to support on my own. Let me give this clearinghouse a ton of money and let them give it away for me. All the while, board take administrative fees to fund themselves. No thanks…. I’m sorry that whole Legacy Collective just seems like the biggest farce to me. So an “investor” commits to $250/month in donations ($3,000/yr) and a “founder” commits to $1,000/month ($12,000/yr) to some nebulous charity that takes an unknown amount of “administrative” fees and I have little to no say in where my money is sent. No thanks Jen.
She’s looking for 50 investors or founders. If she gets 50 founders, that’s $600K. Hell, I’d host 50 folks at my house too for that kind of coin.
Spot on. This is such a gross grift. I went looking for answers about LC and all I found was pass through organizations. No one knows how much is actually going to charity and I’d be willing to be it isn’t a lot.
Jen, since you’re reading this, post the books. And how much exactly did Brandon “borrow” that you had to pay back?