Anonymous wrote:I like to see the debate about Langdon and Santos.

I will probably get some negative reactions for saying this, but I find everything about Langdon's character written and set up to invite sympathy for him, to include that he's a good looking straight white guy with a family. I think by the rules of our culture Langdon gets a massive pass right there.

I think the show is asking us to examine that - you saw how shocked Al Hashimi was when she was told of Langdon's history (and was she even told all of it)? And the rest of the ER doesn't know.

If Langdon had tried to gaslight Dana would he still be there?

It's an interesting pecking order/sociological issue and experiment.

NP here. I agree.

Also the way Dana is being treated by Dr. Robby. She was previously violently assaulted and there are increased safety measures for nurses in the almost 1 year since it happened. And she rushes to protect Emma (the only one) and Robby treats her horribly. But Langdon gets the pass?

I like to see the debate about Langdon and Santos.

I will probably get some negative reactions for saying this, but I find everything about Langdon's character written and set up to invite sympathy for him, to include that he's a good looking straight white guy with a family. I think by the rules of our culture Langdon gets a massive pass right there.

I think the show is asking us to examine that - you saw how shocked Al Hashimi was when she was told of Langdon's history (and was she even told all of it)? And the rest of the ER doesn't know.

If Langdon had tried to gaslight Dana would he still be there?

It's an interesting pecking order/sociological issue and experiment.

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if your response to the Langdon situation depends on whether you've ever had a family member or loved one who is an addict. I do, and find some of the comments praising and defending him to be too much. I don't think he's a terrible person and yes, addiction is a disease. But it's not a get out of jail free card -- Langdon is still responsible for his behavior, including stealing meds and lying to Robby and gaslighting and screaming at Santos. It's odd to me that people are so mad at Santos and Robby for holding Langdon's own behavior against him. That's how it works.

Also, as someone who has two immediate families who have been through rehab: rehab is the easy part. Everyone in rehab is there to support and help you. When you get to real life, no one has that obligation. They might decide to help, but they might not. Sometimes the breach of trust is too great and some people will not be able to support you or help you the way you hope. That's hard to accept but it's the truth. People have their own demons to face and no one's life halts to facilitate your recovery. At the end of the day, it's up to you. I hope Langdon figures it out but I don't think anyone at work owes him anymore than they are giving him.

This is just a show, and people are going to like certain characters more than others. Just be respectful about it and there won’t any issues.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if your response to the Langdon situation depends on whether you've ever had a family member or loved one who is an addict. I do, and find some of the comments praising and defending him to be too much. I don't think he's a terrible person and yes, addiction is a disease. But it's not a get out of jail free card -- Langdon is still responsible for his behavior, including stealing meds and lying to Robby and gaslighting and screaming at Santos. It's odd to me that people are so mad at Santos and Robby for holding Langdon's own behavior against him. That's how it works.

Also, as someone who has two immediate families who have been through rehab: rehab is the easy part. Everyone in rehab is there to support and help you. When you get to real life, no one has that obligation. They might decide to help, but they might not. Sometimes the breach of trust is too great and some people will not be able to support you or help you the way you hope. That's hard to accept but it's the truth. People have their own demons to face and no one's life halts to facilitate your recovery. At the end of the day, it's up to you. I hope Langdon figures it out but I don't think anyone at work owes him anymore than they are giving him.

Interesting perspective, and it makes sense. Might also be sentiments that the writers are playing on with the audience.

While I generally like Santos more than others in this forum, it was still eye-opening to hear her perspective. Langdon gaslit her on her first day of residency, which would definitely undermine anyone's confidence...let alone someone like her who clearly has some kind of trauma in her past. Robby should be the authority figure, but he helped cover up Langdon's crime. So even though he sent Langdon to rehab, he also showed Santos that there are different rules for different people depending on how well-liked you are. I get the feeling that Santos has never been well-liked in school or work. Being a whistleblower is hard and takes a lot of courage. Her storyline shows why.

Agreed, and I think it's more than just "well-liked." It starts with that but extends to "easily forgiven." Santos and Langdon have both screwed up in various ways, but Langdon is getting a redemption arc and Santos isn't. Yes, that's partly because Santos isn't owning up to her screw ups as readily. But on the other hand, her screw ups aren't nearly as serious as Langdon's.

If the person who abused Santos was similarly well-liked and forgiven within her community in a similar way to Langdon, I especially see why that would be upsetting for Santos, and play into a broader narrative in her own life -- that she is a "pariah" who calls people out for their bad behavior and is punished, while the "bad men" she calls out are forgiven.

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if your response to the Langdon situation depends on whether you've ever had a family member or loved one who is an addict. I do, and find some of the comments praising and defending him to be too much. I don't think he's a terrible person and yes, addiction is a disease. But it's not a get out of jail free card -- Langdon is still responsible for his behavior, including stealing meds and lying to Robby and gaslighting and screaming at Santos. It's odd to me that people are so mad at Santos and Robby for holding Langdon's own behavior against him. That's how it works.

Also, as someone who has two immediate families who have been through rehab: rehab is the easy part. Everyone in rehab is there to support and help you. When you get to real life, no one has that obligation. They might decide to help, but they might not. Sometimes the breach of trust is too great and some people will not be able to support you or help you the way you hope. That's hard to accept but it's the truth. People have their own demons to face and no one's life halts to facilitate your recovery. At the end of the day, it's up to you. I hope Langdon figures it out but I don't think anyone at work owes him anymore than they are giving him.

Interesting perspective, and it makes sense. Might also be sentiments that the writers are playing on with the audience.

While I generally like Santos more than others in this forum, it was still eye-opening to hear her perspective. Langdon gaslit her on her first day of residency, which would definitely undermine anyone's confidence...let alone someone like her who clearly has some kind of trauma in her past. Robby should be the authority figure, but he helped cover up Langdon's crime. So even though he sent Langdon to rehab, he also showed Santos that there are different rules for different people depending on how well-liked you are. I get the feeling that Santos has never been well-liked in school or work. Being a whistleblower is hard and takes a lot of courage. Her storyline shows why.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no way someone as hot and cool as Mateo is actually a nurse. I’ve never seen a hot male nurse. lol.

I think most people consider Nurse Jesse to be equally as hot and cool as Mateo (just a bit older) and he actually IS a nurse. So yes, hot male nurses are a thing!

I don’t think so. He has a different aura about him than Mateo.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if your response to the Langdon situation depends on whether you've ever had a family member or loved one who is an addict. I do, and find some of the comments praising and defending him to be too much. I don't think he's a terrible person and yes, addiction is a disease. But it's not a get out of jail free card -- Langdon is still responsible for his behavior, including stealing meds and lying to Robby and gaslighting and screaming at Santos. It's odd to me that people are so mad at Santos and Robby for holding Langdon's own behavior against him. That's how it works.

Also, as someone who has two immediate families who have been through rehab: rehab is the easy part. Everyone in rehab is there to support and help you. When you get to real life, no one has that obligation. They might decide to help, but they might not. Sometimes the breach of trust is too great and some people will not be able to support you or help you the way you hope. That's hard to accept but it's the truth. People have their own demons to face and no one's life halts to facilitate your recovery. At the end of the day, it's up to you. I hope Langdon figures it out but I don't think anyone at work owes him anymore than they are giving him.

Yep it’s definitely you. The poster who takes the show too seriously and gets mad at people who don’t like some of their beloved characters. If you dare to disagree with her, you become her punching bag. This explains it all.

Explains what exactly? That the PP has experience with addiction in their family and disagrees with some people about appropriate expectations and whether Langdon is taking full responsibility? There is nothing they wrote that any reasonable person would take as being treated like a punching bag.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no way someone as hot and cool as Mateo is actually a nurse. I’ve never seen a hot male nurse. lol.

I think most people consider Nurse Jesse to be equally as hot and cool as Mateo (just a bit older) and he actually IS a nurse. So yes, hot male nurses are a thing!

I've seen more good looking male nurses than female ones. Female nurses are more likely to be overweight and less well groomed but more likely to be older, parents, and smokers than male nurses.

There are just more female nurses, so there is greater variety. Not all female nurses are overweight or "less well groomed", which I'm guessing means not spending a bunch of money on hair, skincare, etc. There are young nurses, old nurses, attractive nurses, unattractive nurses, fat, thin, everything in between. Most nurses are women and it's a broad range.

Just like with doctors, different nursing specialties can have a "type" and that can impact how they look. Surgical nurses tend to be jocks, just like surgeons are. Nurses working in specialties like dermatology or plastics tend to be more image conscious, just like the doctors. Pediatric nurses tend to be more maternal. And so on.

My impression of ED nurses is that they tend to be overworked, which yes results in them more often being overweight or having other health issues (despite being on their feet all day). ED nurses and doctors tend not to dress up (or be "well groomed") because their work so often involves contact with very sick people and bodily fluids. No one is doing makeup touchups throughout the day. It doesn't mean they are unattractive, but the Pitt gets their dress and appearance right -- low maintenance, comfortable clothes and shoes, all business.

The biggest thing the Pitt gets wrong, and for an obvious reason, is that nurses in EDs often wear masks in order to minimize their odds of getting sick. Not 100% of the time, but especially during patient intake, dealing with clinic patients, or when the ED is particularly crowded. If the Pitt were more realistic in this respect, you'd expect around 50%, sometimes more, of the staff to be masked at any given time.

Anonymous wrote:So is Dr. Rob really going on a motorcycle trip or something else? Mental health seems tenuous.


And Joy is working some side gig she doesn't want to share? she made the comment about it was actually costing her money to stay late.


Will Dana and the older temp nurse get into over differing political views?

Was hoping for a little peek at Dr. Jack for the night shift change.

Joy's comment about not getting paid is because she is literally not getting paid -- she is a medical student, not an employee, and she does not get paid. What she actually says is "actually the opposite" because as a student she is paying tuition during her rotations. So she's paying like 60k a year for the privilege of being a student doctor at the hospital. Some programs offer stipends, but not all, and they are not a lot of money.

That's why Whitaker was living in the hospital last year, and why it was a big deal with Santos offered to let him stay with her rent free. Becoming a doctor is an insane financial proposition. And residents don't even make very much money, it's like 50-90k depending on where you work and how senior you are. And you are paying off thousands of dollars in loans at the same time. It's only once you become an attending that your income goes way up, but by then you are generally in your 30s.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no way someone as hot and cool as Mateo is actually a nurse. I’ve never seen a hot male nurse. lol.

I think most people consider Nurse Jesse to be equally as hot and cool as Mateo (just a bit older) and he actually IS a nurse. So yes, hot male nurses are a thing!

I've seen more good looking male nurses than female ones. Female nurses are more likely to be overweight and less well groomed but more likely to be older, parents, and smokers than male nurses.

Anonymous wrote:There’s no way someone as hot and cool as Mateo is actually a nurse. I’ve never seen a hot male nurse. lol.

I think most people consider Nurse Jesse to be equally as hot and cool as Mateo (just a bit older) and he actually IS a nurse. So yes, hot male nurses are a thing!

There’s no way someone as hot and cool as Mateo is actually a nurse. I’ve never seen a hot male nurse. lol.

So is Dr. Rob really going on a motorcycle trip or something else? Mental health seems tenuous.


And Joy is working some side gig she doesn't want to share? she made the comment about it was actually costing her money to stay late.


Will Dana and the older temp nurse get into over differing political views?

Was hoping for a little peek at Dr. Jack for the night shift change.

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Anonymous wrote:Less Ogilvie made the latest episode better, IMO!

I actually like him - he’s sort of comic relief. I think he’s going to have a good character arc.

I don’t get why everyone swoons over Joy? Her monotone voice and ladies back attitude and that nose ring annoy me. She’s trying way too hard to be cool.

I also like Ogilvie, or at least he's grown on me. I think he's really obtuse but then his interactions with the kidney stone guy revealed some complexity. He's clearly overwhelmed.

I don't "swoon" over Joy but I definitely enjoy her. I don't get the sense she's trying to be cool at all -- I think she knows herself and doesn't care what others think. I thought her comment about wanting to go into pathology because she doesn't like people to show a lot of self-awareness, and I respected her choice to leave at the end of her shift despite pressure to stick around. Unlike most of the other main characters on the show, you get the sense she knows how to protect her mental health and make good choice for herself.

I started out the season thinking the med students were kind of pointless but they both became pretty interesting.

^ family members, not families