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Anonymous wrote:For those in the Wootton Cluster advocating for Option "W," it's not clear to me what their option means with regard to which building becomes a holding school for MCPS, which is absolutely needed.

Is Option W advocating for Crown to be that holding school, as Taylor proposed? Is it not taking a stance on that?

If it's the latter, I think that sinks Option W because a secondary holding school is absolutely necessary for all of the schools currently in and likely to be moved into the CIP.

Also, if Wootton is advocating to be included in the CIP, who are they advocating be bumped out? I'm not seeing how they're creating leverage with Option W. It just basically seems like the Wootton Cluster wants its cake and to eat it too.

Wootton does not want to serve as a holding school. That position is independent of whether MCPS ultimately designates Crown as a holding school. Framing this as a black-and-white choice oversimplifies the situation. Taylor is already exploring a P3 model for school renovations, which makes it possible for two or even three schools to be renovated at the same time

You are kidding yourself if you think the choice is independent of the Crown decision. In order for Wootton to be added to the CIP as advocated, SOMETHING needs to be removed to add Wootton to the CIP.

MCPS already stated there would be serious savings in time and money if Damascus, which is the only high school currently in the CIP, was able to use Crown as a holding school. It sounds like they might have been willing, based on the Wootton community's advocacy for a safe and modern building, to shift them into Crown and use Wootton as the holding school, but it appears the Wootton community is rejecting that too.

The only other alternative to make Option W happen would be for Wootton to ask for Damascus to be bumped from the current CIP and added in its place. Is that what Option W is asking for? Again, Option W wants to wave a magic wand without making any difficult decisions or tradeoffs but doesn't explain how or why that would be feasible.

Wootton isn’t even included in the CIP, and the boundary study isn’t going to put Wootton into the CIP either, so I don’t see your point. Framing Crown as a holding school as if it’s Wootton’s problem only muddies the water. If Damascus needs a holding school, that’s something Damascus should advocate for. It’s not Wootton’s responsibility to advocate on Damascus’s behalf. Wootton is simply asking to remain where it is and receive an emergency fix for failing components of the building.

You might want to talk to your colleague. The PP who I was going back and forth with said Wootton wants emergency fixes AND to be put into the queue for a renovation in the CIP.

You're saying you don't want to get into the CIP. Which one is it?

I thought Wootton was already in the CIP for 2035+? https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OMB/Resources/Files/omb/pdfs/fy25/cip_pdf/P652115.pdf

What's wrong with performing emergency fixes now, and then Wootton waiting 10+ years for a full renovation? Has anyone done a financial assessment for the costs of the emergency fixes Wootton is requesting? Maybe some of the FY26 amount of $1.456M includes this (see above link)? One would think that emergency fixes wouldn't bump anyone down in the CIP, which I thought only included full renovations (hence the name "Capital Improvement Plan")? Emergency fixes could be done over the summer of 2027, obviating the need for any holding school for Wootton, thereby causing the least amount of disruption.

No, that’s not CIP. CIP only covers 6 years. That slide is only MCPS projection and nobody will guarantee it’ll be on CIP at this point

There are schools in much worse condition like Magruder and Sherwood. Schools flooding constantly or having ceilings falling down should get priority.

MCPS uses the CFI as its official, objective measure of building condition. Under this metric, Wootton has the second-worst CFI of all high schools in the system. The only reason Wootton moved from #2 to #3 in the renovation queue is its low FARMS rate. Therefore, claiming that other schools are “worse” than Wootton without any objective measurement is inaccurate and not supported by MCPS’s own data.

Buildings change day to day. Wootton is not getting regular flooding or having ceilings fall down that could KILL someone. Put it in perspective.

Wootton gets several gas leaks within a few weeks. You think continuous gas leak will not kill someone?

You do realize that happens at multiple schools. We've had it a few times a year. Yes, we realize that. But, get out of your bubble. Wootton is on the schedule, unlike other schools that are older and have had fewer updates.

I swear it’s like the same 4 people making all the comments. You say “get out of your bubble in every comment” it’s annoying AF.

We have these 4 posters:

“Get out of your bubble”
“Wait your turn”
“Option H makes the most fiscal sense”
“Other schools are worse off”

None seem to want to hear anything except confirmation of their own viewpoints. My guess is none of them live in Wootton, but rather Crown or East MoCo.

What else do you want people to say? Your school has gotten painted, repairs, new bathrooms and more. Your school is having the same issues as every other school. You were offered a new school and said no. You are in line for repairs. That's not good enough. We ask what solutions do you suggest and you say none or its not your responsibility to come up with anything. So, you are complaining to complain.

What solutions do you offer?

And we forgot about the “what solutions do you offer poster?”

At this point, I’d settle for option H to just go away. As well as all of you who don’t live in the cluster and are just being combative acting like it’s no big deal for all this ridiculousness to happen. And that we are wrong for not accepting a school we don’t want, never asked for and was never meant to be ours anyway.

I forgot about that one, but was trying to stick with 4. Maybe they’re one of those 4 but adding a little twist?

The sad part is that there ARE other solutions beyond Option H - and that poster knows it - but won’t accept any of those solutions that doesn’t screw over Wootton.

Not only that but it’s not our job to come up with solutions. We pay so much in taxes and it’s unbelievable that we even have schools in the condition they are in. H is so out of left field we are absolutely allowed to say no way but that shouldn’t mean we have to all come together as taxpayers/parents and troubleshoot solutions. That is ridiculous-it’s MCPS and county council’s job to fix these problems-not ours. The leaders in MCPS get paid excellent salaries-it’s not so crazy to think that they should be spending time coming up with other better options that don’t involve permanently displacing an entire community.

But there are solutions that keep Wootton in place. The trolls don't want those options because they either: (a) live in Crown and want their real estate to appreciate and have "Wootton" in their backyard; or (b) don't even live in Wootton or Crown, but want to stick it to those rich, white or Asian families that do live in Wootton and are successful. They probably don't even live in Damascus or other high school areas with crumbling buildings, but they're playing "savior" for the people that do (and probably don't even have school age kids - if they ever did).

Nah, we could have easily bought in the Wootton cluster but chose not to. I'm not jealous at all. Option H just makes the most financial sense. That's it.

I'll grant you, it would suck to become a bus rider when you were once a walker, though it does have advantages, like when the weather is awful. That's a valid argument. However, MCPs has turned once walkers into bus riders before. It's not unprecedented.

But, the argument about the poors from GHS being part of Wootton at Crown is really off putting. It makes me want to support H even more when I hear Wootton parents talk this way.

-signed an Asian American

I truly don’t understand this whole “I could buy in Wootton but didn’t want to” rhetoric that has been all over this thread. I bought in the best cluster we could afford for our children. We couldn’t afford Whitman-which is what we really wanted. I can’t imagine going on a thread that was talking about Whitman being destroyed being like “yeah, let’s go!”.

"Destroyed" lol

Yes, destroyed-the building itself. I don’t know why you think it’s funny everytime someone uses this word when it’s accurate.

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Anonymous wrote:For those in the Wootton Cluster advocating for Option "W," it's not clear to me what their option means with regard to which building becomes a holding school for MCPS, which is absolutely needed.

Is Option W advocating for Crown to be that holding school, as Taylor proposed? Is it not taking a stance on that?

If it's the latter, I think that sinks Option W because a secondary holding school is absolutely necessary for all of the schools currently in and likely to be moved into the CIP.

Also, if Wootton is advocating to be included in the CIP, who are they advocating be bumped out? I'm not seeing how they're creating leverage with Option W. It just basically seems like the Wootton Cluster wants its cake and to eat it too.

Wootton does not want to serve as a holding school. That position is independent of whether MCPS ultimately designates Crown as a holding school. Framing this as a black-and-white choice oversimplifies the situation. Taylor is already exploring a P3 model for school renovations, which makes it possible for two or even three schools to be renovated at the same time

You are kidding yourself if you think the choice is independent of the Crown decision. In order for Wootton to be added to the CIP as advocated, SOMETHING needs to be removed to add Wootton to the CIP.

MCPS already stated there would be serious savings in time and money if Damascus, which is the only high school currently in the CIP, was able to use Crown as a holding school. It sounds like they might have been willing, based on the Wootton community's advocacy for a safe and modern building, to shift them into Crown and use Wootton as the holding school, but it appears the Wootton community is rejecting that too.

The only other alternative to make Option W happen would be for Wootton to ask for Damascus to be bumped from the current CIP and added in its place. Is that what Option W is asking for? Again, Option W wants to wave a magic wand without making any difficult decisions or tradeoffs but doesn't explain how or why that would be feasible.

Wootton isn’t even included in the CIP, and the boundary study isn’t going to put Wootton into the CIP either, so I don’t see your point. Framing Crown as a holding school as if it’s Wootton’s problem only muddies the water. If Damascus needs a holding school, that’s something Damascus should advocate for. It’s not Wootton’s responsibility to advocate on Damascus’s behalf. Wootton is simply asking to remain where it is and receive an emergency fix for failing components of the building.

You might want to talk to your colleague. The PP who I was going back and forth with said Wootton wants emergency fixes AND to be put into the queue for a renovation in the CIP.

You're saying you don't want to get into the CIP. Which one is it?

I thought Wootton was already in the CIP for 2035+? https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OMB/Resources/Files/omb/pdfs/fy25/cip_pdf/P652115.pdf

What's wrong with performing emergency fixes now, and then Wootton waiting 10+ years for a full renovation? Has anyone done a financial assessment for the costs of the emergency fixes Wootton is requesting? Maybe some of the FY26 amount of $1.456M includes this (see above link)? One would think that emergency fixes wouldn't bump anyone down in the CIP, which I thought only included full renovations (hence the name "Capital Improvement Plan")? Emergency fixes could be done over the summer of 2027, obviating the need for any holding school for Wootton, thereby causing the least amount of disruption.

No, that’s not CIP. CIP only covers 6 years. That slide is only MCPS projection and nobody will guarantee it’ll be on CIP at this point

There are schools in much worse condition like Magruder and Sherwood. Schools flooding constantly or having ceilings falling down should get priority.

MCPS uses the CFI as its official, objective measure of building condition. Under this metric, Wootton has the second-worst CFI of all high schools in the system. The only reason Wootton moved from #2 to #3 in the renovation queue is its low FARMS rate. Therefore, claiming that other schools are “worse” than Wootton without any objective measurement is inaccurate and not supported by MCPS’s own data.

Buildings change day to day. Wootton is not getting regular flooding or having ceilings fall down that could KILL someone. Put it in perspective.

Wootton gets several gas leaks within a few weeks. You think continuous gas leak will not kill someone?

You do realize that happens at multiple schools. We've had it a few times a year. Yes, we realize that. But, get out of your bubble. Wootton is on the schedule, unlike other schools that are older and have had fewer updates.

I swear it’s like the same 4 people making all the comments. You say “get out of your bubble in every comment” it’s annoying AF.

We have these 4 posters:

“Get out of your bubble”
“Wait your turn”
“Option H makes the most fiscal sense”
“Other schools are worse off”

None seem to want to hear anything except confirmation of their own viewpoints. My guess is none of them live in Wootton, but rather Crown or East MoCo.

What else do you want people to say? Your school has gotten painted, repairs, new bathrooms and more. Your school is having the same issues as every other school. You were offered a new school and said no. You are in line for repairs. That's not good enough. We ask what solutions do you suggest and you say none or its not your responsibility to come up with anything. So, you are complaining to complain.

What solutions do you offer?

And we forgot about the “what solutions do you offer poster?”

At this point, I’d settle for option H to just go away. As well as all of you who don’t live in the cluster and are just being combative acting like it’s no big deal for all this ridiculousness to happen. And that we are wrong for not accepting a school we don’t want, never asked for and was never meant to be ours anyway.

I forgot about that one, but was trying to stick with 4. Maybe they’re one of those 4 but adding a little twist?

The sad part is that there ARE other solutions beyond Option H - and that poster knows it - but won’t accept any of those solutions that doesn’t screw over Wootton.

Not only that but it’s not our job to come up with solutions. We pay so much in taxes and it’s unbelievable that we even have schools in the condition they are in. H is so out of left field we are absolutely allowed to say no way but that shouldn’t mean we have to all come together as taxpayers/parents and troubleshoot solutions. That is ridiculous-it’s MCPS and county council’s job to fix these problems-not ours. The leaders in MCPS get paid excellent salaries-it’s not so crazy to think that they should be spending time coming up with other better options that don’t involve permanently displacing an entire community.

But there are solutions that keep Wootton in place. The trolls don't want those options because they either: (a) live in Crown and want their real estate to appreciate and have "Wootton" in their backyard; or (b) don't even live in Wootton or Crown, but want to stick it to those rich, white or Asian families that do live in Wootton and are successful. They probably don't even live in Damascus or other high school areas with crumbling buildings, but they're playing "savior" for the people that do (and probably don't even have school age kids - if they ever did).

Nah, we could have easily bought in the Wootton cluster but chose not to. I'm not jealous at all. Option H just makes the most financial sense. That's it.

I'll grant you, it would suck to become a bus rider when you were once a walker, though it does have advantages, like when the weather is awful. That's a valid argument. However, MCPs has turned once walkers into bus riders before. It's not unprecedented.

But, the argument about the poors from GHS being part of Wootton at Crown is really off putting. It makes me want to support H even more when I hear Wootton parents talk this way.

-signed an Asian American

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Anonymous wrote:For those in the Wootton Cluster advocating for Option "W," it's not clear to me what their option means with regard to which building becomes a holding school for MCPS, which is absolutely needed.

Is Option W advocating for Crown to be that holding school, as Taylor proposed? Is it not taking a stance on that?

If it's the latter, I think that sinks Option W because a secondary holding school is absolutely necessary for all of the schools currently in and likely to be moved into the CIP.

Also, if Wootton is advocating to be included in the CIP, who are they advocating be bumped out? I'm not seeing how they're creating leverage with Option W. It just basically seems like the Wootton Cluster wants its cake and to eat it too.

Wootton does not want to serve as a holding school. That position is independent of whether MCPS ultimately designates Crown as a holding school. Framing this as a black-and-white choice oversimplifies the situation. Taylor is already exploring a P3 model for school renovations, which makes it possible for two or even three schools to be renovated at the same time

You are kidding yourself if you think the choice is independent of the Crown decision. In order for Wootton to be added to the CIP as advocated, SOMETHING needs to be removed to add Wootton to the CIP.

MCPS already stated there would be serious savings in time and money if Damascus, which is the only high school currently in the CIP, was able to use Crown as a holding school. It sounds like they might have been willing, based on the Wootton community's advocacy for a safe and modern building, to shift them into Crown and use Wootton as the holding school, but it appears the Wootton community is rejecting that too.

The only other alternative to make Option W happen would be for Wootton to ask for Damascus to be bumped from the current CIP and added in its place. Is that what Option W is asking for? Again, Option W wants to wave a magic wand without making any difficult decisions or tradeoffs but doesn't explain how or why that would be feasible.

Wootton isn’t even included in the CIP, and the boundary study isn’t going to put Wootton into the CIP either, so I don’t see your point. Framing Crown as a holding school as if it’s Wootton’s problem only muddies the water. If Damascus needs a holding school, that’s something Damascus should advocate for. It’s not Wootton’s responsibility to advocate on Damascus’s behalf. Wootton is simply asking to remain where it is and receive an emergency fix for failing components of the building.

You might want to talk to your colleague. The PP who I was going back and forth with said Wootton wants emergency fixes AND to be put into the queue for a renovation in the CIP.

You're saying you don't want to get into the CIP. Which one is it?

I thought Wootton was already in the CIP for 2035+? https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OMB/Resources/Files/omb/pdfs/fy25/cip_pdf/P652115.pdf

What's wrong with performing emergency fixes now, and then Wootton waiting 10+ years for a full renovation? Has anyone done a financial assessment for the costs of the emergency fixes Wootton is requesting? Maybe some of the FY26 amount of $1.456M includes this (see above link)? One would think that emergency fixes wouldn't bump anyone down in the CIP, which I thought only included full renovations (hence the name "Capital Improvement Plan")? Emergency fixes could be done over the summer of 2027, obviating the need for any holding school for Wootton, thereby causing the least amount of disruption.

No, that’s not CIP. CIP only covers 6 years. That slide is only MCPS projection and nobody will guarantee it’ll be on CIP at this point

There are schools in much worse condition like Magruder and Sherwood. Schools flooding constantly or having ceilings falling down should get priority.

MCPS uses the CFI as its official, objective measure of building condition. Under this metric, Wootton has the second-worst CFI of all high schools in the system. The only reason Wootton moved from #2 to #3 in the renovation queue is its low FARMS rate. Therefore, claiming that other schools are “worse” than Wootton without any objective measurement is inaccurate and not supported by MCPS’s own data.

Buildings change day to day. Wootton is not getting regular flooding or having ceilings fall down that could KILL someone. Put it in perspective.

Wootton gets several gas leaks within a few weeks. You think continuous gas leak will not kill someone?

You do realize that happens at multiple schools. We've had it a few times a year. Yes, we realize that. But, get out of your bubble. Wootton is on the schedule, unlike other schools that are older and have had fewer updates.

I swear it’s like the same 4 people making all the comments. You say “get out of your bubble in every comment” it’s annoying AF.

We have these 4 posters:

“Get out of your bubble”
“Wait your turn”
“Option H makes the most fiscal sense”
“Other schools are worse off”

None seem to want to hear anything except confirmation of their own viewpoints. My guess is none of them live in Wootton, but rather Crown or East MoCo.

What else do you want people to say? Your school has gotten painted, repairs, new bathrooms and more. Your school is having the same issues as every other school. You were offered a new school and said no. You are in line for repairs. That's not good enough. We ask what solutions do you suggest and you say none or its not your responsibility to come up with anything. So, you are complaining to complain.

What solutions do you offer?

And we forgot about the “what solutions do you offer poster?”

At this point, I’d settle for option H to just go away. As well as all of you who don’t live in the cluster and are just being combative acting like it’s no big deal for all this ridiculousness to happen. And that we are wrong for not accepting a school we don’t want, never asked for and was never meant to be ours anyway.

I forgot about that one, but was trying to stick with 4. Maybe they’re one of those 4 but adding a little twist?

The sad part is that there ARE other solutions beyond Option H - and that poster knows it - but won’t accept any of those solutions that doesn’t screw over Wootton.

Not only that but it’s not our job to come up with solutions. We pay so much in taxes and it’s unbelievable that we even have schools in the condition they are in. H is so out of left field we are absolutely allowed to say no way but that shouldn’t mean we have to all come together as taxpayers/parents and troubleshoot solutions. That is ridiculous-it’s MCPS and county council’s job to fix these problems-not ours. The leaders in MCPS get paid excellent salaries-it’s not so crazy to think that they should be spending time coming up with other better options that don’t involve permanently displacing an entire community.

But there are solutions that keep Wootton in place. The trolls don't want those options because they either: (a) live in Crown and want their real estate to appreciate and have "Wootton" in their backyard; or (b) don't even live in Wootton or Crown, but want to stick it to those rich, white or Asian families that do live in Wootton and are successful. They probably don't even live in Damascus or other high school areas with crumbling buildings, but they're playing "savior" for the people that do (and probably don't even have school age kids - if they ever did).

Nah, we could have easily bought in the Wootton cluster but chose not to. I'm not jealous at all. Option H just makes the most financial sense. That's it.

I'll grant you, it would suck to become a bus rider when you were once a walker, though it does have advantages, like when the weather is awful. That's a valid argument. However, MCPs has turned once walkers into bus riders before. It's not unprecedented.

But, the argument about the poors from GHS being part of Wootton at Crown is really off putting. It makes me want to support H even more when I hear Wootton parents talk this way.

-signed an Asian American

I truly don’t understand this whole “I could buy in Wootton but didn’t want to” rhetoric that has been all over this thread. I bought in the best cluster we could afford for our children. We couldn’t afford Whitman-which is what we really wanted. I can’t imagine going on a thread that was talking about Whitman being destroyed being like “yeah, let’s go!”.

"Destroyed" lol

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Anonymous wrote:For those in the Wootton Cluster advocating for Option "W," it's not clear to me what their option means with regard to which building becomes a holding school for MCPS, which is absolutely needed.

Is Option W advocating for Crown to be that holding school, as Taylor proposed? Is it not taking a stance on that?

If it's the latter, I think that sinks Option W because a secondary holding school is absolutely necessary for all of the schools currently in and likely to be moved into the CIP.

Also, if Wootton is advocating to be included in the CIP, who are they advocating be bumped out? I'm not seeing how they're creating leverage with Option W. It just basically seems like the Wootton Cluster wants its cake and to eat it too.

Wootton does not want to serve as a holding school. That position is independent of whether MCPS ultimately designates Crown as a holding school. Framing this as a black-and-white choice oversimplifies the situation. Taylor is already exploring a P3 model for school renovations, which makes it possible for two or even three schools to be renovated at the same time

You are kidding yourself if you think the choice is independent of the Crown decision. In order for Wootton to be added to the CIP as advocated, SOMETHING needs to be removed to add Wootton to the CIP.

MCPS already stated there would be serious savings in time and money if Damascus, which is the only high school currently in the CIP, was able to use Crown as a holding school. It sounds like they might have been willing, based on the Wootton community's advocacy for a safe and modern building, to shift them into Crown and use Wootton as the holding school, but it appears the Wootton community is rejecting that too.

The only other alternative to make Option W happen would be for Wootton to ask for Damascus to be bumped from the current CIP and added in its place. Is that what Option W is asking for? Again, Option W wants to wave a magic wand without making any difficult decisions or tradeoffs but doesn't explain how or why that would be feasible.

Wootton isn’t even included in the CIP, and the boundary study isn’t going to put Wootton into the CIP either, so I don’t see your point. Framing Crown as a holding school as if it’s Wootton’s problem only muddies the water. If Damascus needs a holding school, that’s something Damascus should advocate for. It’s not Wootton’s responsibility to advocate on Damascus’s behalf. Wootton is simply asking to remain where it is and receive an emergency fix for failing components of the building.

You might want to talk to your colleague. The PP who I was going back and forth with said Wootton wants emergency fixes AND to be put into the queue for a renovation in the CIP.

You're saying you don't want to get into the CIP. Which one is it?

I thought Wootton was already in the CIP for 2035+? https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OMB/Resources/Files/omb/pdfs/fy25/cip_pdf/P652115.pdf

What's wrong with performing emergency fixes now, and then Wootton waiting 10+ years for a full renovation? Has anyone done a financial assessment for the costs of the emergency fixes Wootton is requesting? Maybe some of the FY26 amount of $1.456M includes this (see above link)? One would think that emergency fixes wouldn't bump anyone down in the CIP, which I thought only included full renovations (hence the name "Capital Improvement Plan")? Emergency fixes could be done over the summer of 2027, obviating the need for any holding school for Wootton, thereby causing the least amount of disruption.

No, that’s not CIP. CIP only covers 6 years. That slide is only MCPS projection and nobody will guarantee it’ll be on CIP at this point

There are schools in much worse condition like Magruder and Sherwood. Schools flooding constantly or having ceilings falling down should get priority.

MCPS uses the CFI as its official, objective measure of building condition. Under this metric, Wootton has the second-worst CFI of all high schools in the system. The only reason Wootton moved from #2 to #3 in the renovation queue is its low FARMS rate. Therefore, claiming that other schools are “worse” than Wootton without any objective measurement is inaccurate and not supported by MCPS’s own data.

Buildings change day to day. Wootton is not getting regular flooding or having ceilings fall down that could KILL someone. Put it in perspective.

Wootton gets several gas leaks within a few weeks. You think continuous gas leak will not kill someone?

You do realize that happens at multiple schools. We've had it a few times a year. Yes, we realize that. But, get out of your bubble. Wootton is on the schedule, unlike other schools that are older and have had fewer updates.

I swear it’s like the same 4 people making all the comments. You say “get out of your bubble in every comment” it’s annoying AF.

We have these 4 posters:

“Get out of your bubble”
“Wait your turn”
“Option H makes the most fiscal sense”
“Other schools are worse off”

None seem to want to hear anything except confirmation of their own viewpoints. My guess is none of them live in Wootton, but rather Crown or East MoCo.

What else do you want people to say? Your school has gotten painted, repairs, new bathrooms and more. Your school is having the same issues as every other school. You were offered a new school and said no. You are in line for repairs. That's not good enough. We ask what solutions do you suggest and you say none or its not your responsibility to come up with anything. So, you are complaining to complain.

What solutions do you offer?

And we forgot about the “what solutions do you offer poster?”

At this point, I’d settle for option H to just go away. As well as all of you who don’t live in the cluster and are just being combative acting like it’s no big deal for all this ridiculousness to happen. And that we are wrong for not accepting a school we don’t want, never asked for and was never meant to be ours anyway.

I forgot about that one, but was trying to stick with 4. Maybe they’re one of those 4 but adding a little twist?

The sad part is that there ARE other solutions beyond Option H - and that poster knows it - but won’t accept any of those solutions that doesn’t screw over Wootton.

Not only that but it’s not our job to come up with solutions. We pay so much in taxes and it’s unbelievable that we even have schools in the condition they are in. H is so out of left field we are absolutely allowed to say no way but that shouldn’t mean we have to all come together as taxpayers/parents and troubleshoot solutions. That is ridiculous-it’s MCPS and county council’s job to fix these problems-not ours. The leaders in MCPS get paid excellent salaries-it’s not so crazy to think that they should be spending time coming up with other better options that don’t involve permanently displacing an entire community.

But there are solutions that keep Wootton in place. The trolls don't want those options because they either: (a) live in Crown and want their real estate to appreciate and have "Wootton" in their backyard; or (b) don't even live in Wootton or Crown, but want to stick it to those rich, white or Asian families that do live in Wootton and are successful. They probably don't even live in Damascus or other high school areas with crumbling buildings, but they're playing "savior" for the people that do (and probably don't even have school age kids - if they ever did).

Nah, we could have easily bought in the Wootton cluster but chose not to. I'm not jealous at all. Option H just makes the most financial sense. That's it.

I'll grant you, it would suck to become a bus rider when you were once a walker, though it does have advantages, like when the weather is awful. That's a valid argument. However, MCPs has turned once walkers into bus riders before. It's not unprecedented.

But, the argument about the poors from GHS being part of Wootton at Crown is really off putting. It makes me want to support H even more when I hear Wootton parents talk this way.

-signed an Asian American

I truly don’t understand this whole “I could buy in Wootton but didn’t want to” rhetoric that has been all over this thread. I bought in the best cluster we could afford for our children. We couldn’t afford Whitman-which is what we really wanted. I can’t imagine going on a thread that was talking about Whitman being destroyed being like “yeah, let’s go!”.

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Anonymous wrote:For those in the Wootton Cluster advocating for Option "W," it's not clear to me what their option means with regard to which building becomes a holding school for MCPS, which is absolutely needed.

Is Option W advocating for Crown to be that holding school, as Taylor proposed? Is it not taking a stance on that?

If it's the latter, I think that sinks Option W because a secondary holding school is absolutely necessary for all of the schools currently in and likely to be moved into the CIP.

Also, if Wootton is advocating to be included in the CIP, who are they advocating be bumped out? I'm not seeing how they're creating leverage with Option W. It just basically seems like the Wootton Cluster wants its cake and to eat it too.

Wootton does not want to serve as a holding school. That position is independent of whether MCPS ultimately designates Crown as a holding school. Framing this as a black-and-white choice oversimplifies the situation. Taylor is already exploring a P3 model for school renovations, which makes it possible for two or even three schools to be renovated at the same time

You are kidding yourself if you think the choice is independent of the Crown decision. In order for Wootton to be added to the CIP as advocated, SOMETHING needs to be removed to add Wootton to the CIP.

MCPS already stated there would be serious savings in time and money if Damascus, which is the only high school currently in the CIP, was able to use Crown as a holding school. It sounds like they might have been willing, based on the Wootton community's advocacy for a safe and modern building, to shift them into Crown and use Wootton as the holding school, but it appears the Wootton community is rejecting that too.

The only other alternative to make Option W happen would be for Wootton to ask for Damascus to be bumped from the current CIP and added in its place. Is that what Option W is asking for? Again, Option W wants to wave a magic wand without making any difficult decisions or tradeoffs but doesn't explain how or why that would be feasible.

Wootton isn’t even included in the CIP, and the boundary study isn’t going to put Wootton into the CIP either, so I don’t see your point. Framing Crown as a holding school as if it’s Wootton’s problem only muddies the water. If Damascus needs a holding school, that’s something Damascus should advocate for. It’s not Wootton’s responsibility to advocate on Damascus’s behalf. Wootton is simply asking to remain where it is and receive an emergency fix for failing components of the building.

You might want to talk to your colleague. The PP who I was going back and forth with said Wootton wants emergency fixes AND to be put into the queue for a renovation in the CIP.

You're saying you don't want to get into the CIP. Which one is it?

I thought Wootton was already in the CIP for 2035+? https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OMB/Resources/Files/omb/pdfs/fy25/cip_pdf/P652115.pdf

What's wrong with performing emergency fixes now, and then Wootton waiting 10+ years for a full renovation? Has anyone done a financial assessment for the costs of the emergency fixes Wootton is requesting? Maybe some of the FY26 amount of $1.456M includes this (see above link)? One would think that emergency fixes wouldn't bump anyone down in the CIP, which I thought only included full renovations (hence the name "Capital Improvement Plan")? Emergency fixes could be done over the summer of 2027, obviating the need for any holding school for Wootton, thereby causing the least amount of disruption.

No, that’s not CIP. CIP only covers 6 years. That slide is only MCPS projection and nobody will guarantee it’ll be on CIP at this point

There are schools in much worse condition like Magruder and Sherwood. Schools flooding constantly or having ceilings falling down should get priority.

MCPS uses the CFI as its official, objective measure of building condition. Under this metric, Wootton has the second-worst CFI of all high schools in the system. The only reason Wootton moved from #2 to #3 in the renovation queue is its low FARMS rate. Therefore, claiming that other schools are “worse” than Wootton without any objective measurement is inaccurate and not supported by MCPS’s own data.

Buildings change day to day. Wootton is not getting regular flooding or having ceilings fall down that could KILL someone. Put it in perspective.

Wootton gets several gas leaks within a few weeks. You think continuous gas leak will not kill someone?

You do realize that happens at multiple schools. We've had it a few times a year. Yes, we realize that. But, get out of your bubble. Wootton is on the schedule, unlike other schools that are older and have had fewer updates.

I swear it’s like the same 4 people making all the comments. You say “get out of your bubble in every comment” it’s annoying AF.

We have these 4 posters:

“Get out of your bubble”
“Wait your turn”
“Option H makes the most fiscal sense”
“Other schools are worse off”

None seem to want to hear anything except confirmation of their own viewpoints. My guess is none of them live in Wootton, but rather Crown or East MoCo.

What else do you want people to say? Your school has gotten painted, repairs, new bathrooms and more. Your school is having the same issues as every other school. You were offered a new school and said no. You are in line for repairs. That's not good enough. We ask what solutions do you suggest and you say none or its not your responsibility to come up with anything. So, you are complaining to complain.

What solutions do you offer?

And we forgot about the “what solutions do you offer poster?”

At this point, I’d settle for option H to just go away. As well as all of you who don’t live in the cluster and are just being combative acting like it’s no big deal for all this ridiculousness to happen. And that we are wrong for not accepting a school we don’t want, never asked for and was never meant to be ours anyway.

I forgot about that one, but was trying to stick with 4. Maybe they’re one of those 4 but adding a little twist?

The sad part is that there ARE other solutions beyond Option H - and that poster knows it - but won’t accept any of those solutions that doesn’t screw over Wootton.

Not only that but it’s not our job to come up with solutions. We pay so much in taxes and it’s unbelievable that we even have schools in the condition they are in. H is so out of left field we are absolutely allowed to say no way but that shouldn’t mean we have to all come together as taxpayers/parents and troubleshoot solutions. That is ridiculous-it’s MCPS and county council’s job to fix these problems-not ours. The leaders in MCPS get paid excellent salaries-it’s not so crazy to think that they should be spending time coming up with other better options that don’t involve permanently displacing an entire community.

But there are solutions that keep Wootton in place. The trolls don't want those options because they either: (a) live in Crown and want their real estate to appreciate and have "Wootton" in their backyard; or (b) don't even live in Wootton or Crown, but want to stick it to those rich, white or Asian families that do live in Wootton and are successful. They probably don't even live in Damascus or other high school areas with crumbling buildings, but they're playing "savior" for the people that do (and probably don't even have school age kids - if they ever did).

Nah, we could have easily bought in the Wootton cluster but chose not to. I'm not jealous at all. Option H just makes the most financial sense. That's it.

I'll grant you, it would suck to become a bus rider when you were once a walker, though it does have advantages, like when the weather is awful. That's a valid argument. However, MCPs has turned once walkers into bus riders before. It's not unprecedented.

But, the argument about the poors from GHS being part of Wootton at Crown is really off putting. It makes me want to support H even more when I hear Wootton parents talk this way.

-signed an Asian American

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Anonymous wrote:For those in the Wootton Cluster advocating for Option "W," it's not clear to me what their option means with regard to which building becomes a holding school for MCPS, which is absolutely needed.

Is Option W advocating for Crown to be that holding school, as Taylor proposed? Is it not taking a stance on that?

If it's the latter, I think that sinks Option W because a secondary holding school is absolutely necessary for all of the schools currently in and likely to be moved into the CIP.

Also, if Wootton is advocating to be included in the CIP, who are they advocating be bumped out? I'm not seeing how they're creating leverage with Option W. It just basically seems like the Wootton Cluster wants its cake and to eat it too.

Wootton does not want to serve as a holding school. That position is independent of whether MCPS ultimately designates Crown as a holding school. Framing this as a black-and-white choice oversimplifies the situation. Taylor is already exploring a P3 model for school renovations, which makes it possible for two or even three schools to be renovated at the same time

You are kidding yourself if you think the choice is independent of the Crown decision. In order for Wootton to be added to the CIP as advocated, SOMETHING needs to be removed to add Wootton to the CIP.

MCPS already stated there would be serious savings in time and money if Damascus, which is the only high school currently in the CIP, was able to use Crown as a holding school. It sounds like they might have been willing, based on the Wootton community's advocacy for a safe and modern building, to shift them into Crown and use Wootton as the holding school, but it appears the Wootton community is rejecting that too.

The only other alternative to make Option W happen would be for Wootton to ask for Damascus to be bumped from the current CIP and added in its place. Is that what Option W is asking for? Again, Option W wants to wave a magic wand without making any difficult decisions or tradeoffs but doesn't explain how or why that would be feasible.

Wootton isn’t even included in the CIP, and the boundary study isn’t going to put Wootton into the CIP either, so I don’t see your point. Framing Crown as a holding school as if it’s Wootton’s problem only muddies the water. If Damascus needs a holding school, that’s something Damascus should advocate for. It’s not Wootton’s responsibility to advocate on Damascus’s behalf. Wootton is simply asking to remain where it is and receive an emergency fix for failing components of the building.

You might want to talk to your colleague. The PP who I was going back and forth with said Wootton wants emergency fixes AND to be put into the queue for a renovation in the CIP.

You're saying you don't want to get into the CIP. Which one is it?

I thought Wootton was already in the CIP for 2035+? https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OMB/Resources/Files/omb/pdfs/fy25/cip_pdf/P652115.pdf

What's wrong with performing emergency fixes now, and then Wootton waiting 10+ years for a full renovation? Has anyone done a financial assessment for the costs of the emergency fixes Wootton is requesting? Maybe some of the FY26 amount of $1.456M includes this (see above link)? One would think that emergency fixes wouldn't bump anyone down in the CIP, which I thought only included full renovations (hence the name "Capital Improvement Plan")? Emergency fixes could be done over the summer of 2027, obviating the need for any holding school for Wootton, thereby causing the least amount of disruption.

No, that’s not CIP. CIP only covers 6 years. That slide is only MCPS projection and nobody will guarantee it’ll be on CIP at this point

There are schools in much worse condition like Magruder and Sherwood. Schools flooding constantly or having ceilings falling down should get priority.

MCPS uses the CFI as its official, objective measure of building condition. Under this metric, Wootton has the second-worst CFI of all high schools in the system. The only reason Wootton moved from #2 to #3 in the renovation queue is its low FARMS rate. Therefore, claiming that other schools are “worse” than Wootton without any objective measurement is inaccurate and not supported by MCPS’s own data.

Buildings change day to day. Wootton is not getting regular flooding or having ceilings fall down that could KILL someone. Put it in perspective.

Wootton gets several gas leaks within a few weeks. You think continuous gas leak will not kill someone?

You do realize that happens at multiple schools. We've had it a few times a year. Yes, we realize that. But, get out of your bubble. Wootton is on the schedule, unlike other schools that are older and have had fewer updates.

I swear it’s like the same 4 people making all the comments. You say “get out of your bubble in every comment” it’s annoying AF.

We have these 4 posters:

“Get out of your bubble”
“Wait your turn”
“Option H makes the most fiscal sense”
“Other schools are worse off”

None seem to want to hear anything except confirmation of their own viewpoints. My guess is none of them live in Wootton, but rather Crown or East MoCo.

What else do you want people to say? Your school has gotten painted, repairs, new bathrooms and more. Your school is having the same issues as every other school. You were offered a new school and said no. You are in line for repairs. That's not good enough. We ask what solutions do you suggest and you say none or its not your responsibility to come up with anything. So, you are complaining to complain.

What solutions do you offer?

And we forgot about the “what solutions do you offer poster?”

At this point, I’d settle for option H to just go away. As well as all of you who don’t live in the cluster and are just being combative acting like it’s no big deal for all this ridiculousness to happen. And that we are wrong for not accepting a school we don’t want, never asked for and was never meant to be ours anyway.

I forgot about that one, but was trying to stick with 4. Maybe they’re one of those 4 but adding a little twist?

The sad part is that there ARE other solutions beyond Option H - and that poster knows it - but won’t accept any of those solutions that doesn’t screw over Wootton.

Not only that but it’s not our job to come up with solutions. We pay so much in taxes and it’s unbelievable that we even have schools in the condition they are in. H is so out of left field we are absolutely allowed to say no way but that shouldn’t mean we have to all come together as taxpayers/parents and troubleshoot solutions. That is ridiculous-it’s MCPS and county council’s job to fix these problems-not ours. The leaders in MCPS get paid excellent salaries-it’s not so crazy to think that they should be spending time coming up with other better options that don’t involve permanently displacing an entire community.

But there are solutions that keep Wootton in place. The trolls don't want those options because they either: (a) live in Crown and want their real estate to appreciate and have "Wootton" in their backyard; or (b) don't even live in Wootton or Crown, but want to stick it to those rich, white or Asian families that do live in Wootton and are successful. They probably don't even live in Damascus or other high school areas with crumbling buildings, but they're playing "savior" for the people that do (and probably don't even have school age kids - if they ever did).

Nah, we could have easily bought in the Wootton cluster but chose not to. I'm not jealous at all. Option H just makes the most financial sense. That's it.

I'll grant you, it would suck to become a bus rider when you were once a walker, though it does have advantages, like when the weather is awful. That's a valid argument. However, MCPs has turned once walkers into bus riders before. It's not unprecedented.

But, the argument about the poors from GHS being part of Wootton at Crown is really off putting. It makes me want to support H even more when I hear Wootton parents talk this way.

-signed an Asian American

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Anonymous wrote:For those in the Wootton Cluster advocating for Option "W," it's not clear to me what their option means with regard to which building becomes a holding school for MCPS, which is absolutely needed.

Is Option W advocating for Crown to be that holding school, as Taylor proposed? Is it not taking a stance on that?

If it's the latter, I think that sinks Option W because a secondary holding school is absolutely necessary for all of the schools currently in and likely to be moved into the CIP.

Also, if Wootton is advocating to be included in the CIP, who are they advocating be bumped out? I'm not seeing how they're creating leverage with Option W. It just basically seems like the Wootton Cluster wants its cake and to eat it too.

Wootton does not want to serve as a holding school. That position is independent of whether MCPS ultimately designates Crown as a holding school. Framing this as a black-and-white choice oversimplifies the situation. Taylor is already exploring a P3 model for school renovations, which makes it possible for two or even three schools to be renovated at the same time

You are kidding yourself if you think the choice is independent of the Crown decision. In order for Wootton to be added to the CIP as advocated, SOMETHING needs to be removed to add Wootton to the CIP.

MCPS already stated there would be serious savings in time and money if Damascus, which is the only high school currently in the CIP, was able to use Crown as a holding school. It sounds like they might have been willing, based on the Wootton community's advocacy for a safe and modern building, to shift them into Crown and use Wootton as the holding school, but it appears the Wootton community is rejecting that too.

The only other alternative to make Option W happen would be for Wootton to ask for Damascus to be bumped from the current CIP and added in its place. Is that what Option W is asking for? Again, Option W wants to wave a magic wand without making any difficult decisions or tradeoffs but doesn't explain how or why that would be feasible.

Wootton isn’t even included in the CIP, and the boundary study isn’t going to put Wootton into the CIP either, so I don’t see your point. Framing Crown as a holding school as if it’s Wootton’s problem only muddies the water. If Damascus needs a holding school, that’s something Damascus should advocate for. It’s not Wootton’s responsibility to advocate on Damascus’s behalf. Wootton is simply asking to remain where it is and receive an emergency fix for failing components of the building.

You might want to talk to your colleague. The PP who I was going back and forth with said Wootton wants emergency fixes AND to be put into the queue for a renovation in the CIP.

You're saying you don't want to get into the CIP. Which one is it?

I thought Wootton was already in the CIP for 2035+? https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OMB/Resources/Files/omb/pdfs/fy25/cip_pdf/P652115.pdf

What's wrong with performing emergency fixes now, and then Wootton waiting 10+ years for a full renovation? Has anyone done a financial assessment for the costs of the emergency fixes Wootton is requesting? Maybe some of the FY26 amount of $1.456M includes this (see above link)? One would think that emergency fixes wouldn't bump anyone down in the CIP, which I thought only included full renovations (hence the name "Capital Improvement Plan")? Emergency fixes could be done over the summer of 2027, obviating the need for any holding school for Wootton, thereby causing the least amount of disruption.

No, that’s not CIP. CIP only covers 6 years. That slide is only MCPS projection and nobody will guarantee it’ll be on CIP at this point

There are schools in much worse condition like Magruder and Sherwood. Schools flooding constantly or having ceilings falling down should get priority.

MCPS uses the CFI as its official, objective measure of building condition. Under this metric, Wootton has the second-worst CFI of all high schools in the system. The only reason Wootton moved from #2 to #3 in the renovation queue is its low FARMS rate. Therefore, claiming that other schools are “worse” than Wootton without any objective measurement is inaccurate and not supported by MCPS’s own data.

Buildings change day to day. Wootton is not getting regular flooding or having ceilings fall down that could KILL someone. Put it in perspective.

Wootton gets several gas leaks within a few weeks. You think continuous gas leak will not kill someone?

You do realize that happens at multiple schools. We've had it a few times a year. Yes, we realize that. But, get out of your bubble. Wootton is on the schedule, unlike other schools that are older and have had fewer updates.

I swear it’s like the same 4 people making all the comments. You say “get out of your bubble in every comment” it’s annoying AF.

We have these 4 posters:

“Get out of your bubble”
“Wait your turn”
“Option H makes the most fiscal sense”
“Other schools are worse off”

None seem to want to hear anything except confirmation of their own viewpoints. My guess is none of them live in Wootton, but rather Crown or East MoCo.

What else do you want people to say? Your school has gotten painted, repairs, new bathrooms and more. Your school is having the same issues as every other school. You were offered a new school and said no. You are in line for repairs. That's not good enough. We ask what solutions do you suggest and you say none or its not your responsibility to come up with anything. So, you are complaining to complain.

What solutions do you offer?

And we forgot about the “what solutions do you offer poster?”

At this point, I’d settle for option H to just go away. As well as all of you who don’t live in the cluster and are just being combative acting like it’s no big deal for all this ridiculousness to happen. And that we are wrong for not accepting a school we don’t want, never asked for and was never meant to be ours anyway.

I forgot about that one, but was trying to stick with 4. Maybe they’re one of those 4 but adding a little twist?

The sad part is that there ARE other solutions beyond Option H - and that poster knows it - but won’t accept any of those solutions that doesn’t screw over Wootton.

Not only that but it’s not our job to come up with solutions. We pay so much in taxes and it’s unbelievable that we even have schools in the condition they are in. H is so out of left field we are absolutely allowed to say no way but that shouldn’t mean we have to all come together as taxpayers/parents and troubleshoot solutions. That is ridiculous-it’s MCPS and county council’s job to fix these problems-not ours. The leaders in MCPS get paid excellent salaries-it’s not so crazy to think that they should be spending time coming up with other better options that don’t involve permanently displacing an entire community.

But there are solutions that keep Wootton in place. The trolls don't want those options because they either: (a) live in Crown and want their real estate to appreciate and have "Wootton" in their backyard; or (b) don't even live in Wootton or Crown, but want to stick it to those rich, white or Asian families that do live in Wootton and are successful. They probably don't even live in Damascus or other high school areas with crumbling buildings, but they're playing "savior" for the people that do (and probably don't even have school age kids - if they ever did).

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Anonymous wrote:For those in the Wootton Cluster advocating for Option "W," it's not clear to me what their option means with regard to which building becomes a holding school for MCPS, which is absolutely needed.

Is Option W advocating for Crown to be that holding school, as Taylor proposed? Is it not taking a stance on that?

If it's the latter, I think that sinks Option W because a secondary holding school is absolutely necessary for all of the schools currently in and likely to be moved into the CIP.

Also, if Wootton is advocating to be included in the CIP, who are they advocating be bumped out? I'm not seeing how they're creating leverage with Option W. It just basically seems like the Wootton Cluster wants its cake and to eat it too.

Wootton does not want to serve as a holding school. That position is independent of whether MCPS ultimately designates Crown as a holding school. Framing this as a black-and-white choice oversimplifies the situation. Taylor is already exploring a P3 model for school renovations, which makes it possible for two or even three schools to be renovated at the same time

You are kidding yourself if you think the choice is independent of the Crown decision. In order for Wootton to be added to the CIP as advocated, SOMETHING needs to be removed to add Wootton to the CIP.

MCPS already stated there would be serious savings in time and money if Damascus, which is the only high school currently in the CIP, was able to use Crown as a holding school. It sounds like they might have been willing, based on the Wootton community's advocacy for a safe and modern building, to shift them into Crown and use Wootton as the holding school, but it appears the Wootton community is rejecting that too.

The only other alternative to make Option W happen would be for Wootton to ask for Damascus to be bumped from the current CIP and added in its place. Is that what Option W is asking for? Again, Option W wants to wave a magic wand without making any difficult decisions or tradeoffs but doesn't explain how or why that would be feasible.

Wootton isn’t even included in the CIP, and the boundary study isn’t going to put Wootton into the CIP either, so I don’t see your point. Framing Crown as a holding school as if it’s Wootton’s problem only muddies the water. If Damascus needs a holding school, that’s something Damascus should advocate for. It’s not Wootton’s responsibility to advocate on Damascus’s behalf. Wootton is simply asking to remain where it is and receive an emergency fix for failing components of the building.

You might want to talk to your colleague. The PP who I was going back and forth with said Wootton wants emergency fixes AND to be put into the queue for a renovation in the CIP.

You're saying you don't want to get into the CIP. Which one is it?

I thought Wootton was already in the CIP for 2035+? https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OMB/Resources/Files/omb/pdfs/fy25/cip_pdf/P652115.pdf

What's wrong with performing emergency fixes now, and then Wootton waiting 10+ years for a full renovation? Has anyone done a financial assessment for the costs of the emergency fixes Wootton is requesting? Maybe some of the FY26 amount of $1.456M includes this (see above link)? One would think that emergency fixes wouldn't bump anyone down in the CIP, which I thought only included full renovations (hence the name "Capital Improvement Plan")? Emergency fixes could be done over the summer of 2027, obviating the need for any holding school for Wootton, thereby causing the least amount of disruption.

No, that’s not CIP. CIP only covers 6 years. That slide is only MCPS projection and nobody will guarantee it’ll be on CIP at this point

There are schools in much worse condition like Magruder and Sherwood. Schools flooding constantly or having ceilings falling down should get priority.

MCPS uses the CFI as its official, objective measure of building condition. Under this metric, Wootton has the second-worst CFI of all high schools in the system. The only reason Wootton moved from #2 to #3 in the renovation queue is its low FARMS rate. Therefore, claiming that other schools are “worse” than Wootton without any objective measurement is inaccurate and not supported by MCPS’s own data.

Buildings change day to day. Wootton is not getting regular flooding or having ceilings fall down that could KILL someone. Put it in perspective.

Wootton gets several gas leaks within a few weeks. You think continuous gas leak will not kill someone?

You do realize that happens at multiple schools. We've had it a few times a year. Yes, we realize that. But, get out of your bubble. Wootton is on the schedule, unlike other schools that are older and have had fewer updates.

I swear it’s like the same 4 people making all the comments. You say “get out of your bubble in every comment” it’s annoying AF.

We have these 4 posters:

“Get out of your bubble”
“Wait your turn”
“Option H makes the most fiscal sense”
“Other schools are worse off”

None seem to want to hear anything except confirmation of their own viewpoints. My guess is none of them live in Wootton, but rather Crown or East MoCo.

What else do you want people to say? Your school has gotten painted, repairs, new bathrooms and more. Your school is having the same issues as every other school. You were offered a new school and said no. You are in line for repairs. That's not good enough. We ask what solutions do you suggest and you say none or its not your responsibility to come up with anything. So, you are complaining to complain.

What solutions do you offer?

And we forgot about the “what solutions do you offer poster?”

At this point, I’d settle for option H to just go away. As well as all of you who don’t live in the cluster and are just being combative acting like it’s no big deal for all this ridiculousness to happen. And that we are wrong for not accepting a school we don’t want, never asked for and was never meant to be ours anyway.

I forgot about that one, but was trying to stick with 4. Maybe they’re one of those 4 but adding a little twist?

The sad part is that there ARE other solutions beyond Option H - and that poster knows it - but won’t accept any of those solutions that doesn’t screw over Wootton.

Not only that but it’s not our job to come up with solutions. We pay so much in taxes and it’s unbelievable that we even have schools in the condition they are in. H is so out of left field we are absolutely allowed to say no way but that shouldn’t mean we have to all come together as taxpayers/parents and troubleshoot solutions. That is ridiculous-it’s MCPS and county council’s job to fix these problems-not ours. The leaders in MCPS get paid excellent salaries-it’s not so crazy to think that they should be spending time coming up with other better options that don’t involve permanently displacing an entire community.

But there are solutions that keep Wootton in place. The trolls don't want those options because they either: (a) live in Crown and want their real estate to appreciate and have "Wootton" in their backyard; or (b) don't even live in Wootton or Crown, but want to stick it to those rich, white or Asian families that do live in Wootton and are successful. They probably don't even live in Damascus or other high school areas with crumbling buildings, but they're playing "savior" for the people that do (and probably don't even have school age kids - if they ever did).

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Anonymous wrote:For those in the Wootton Cluster advocating for Option "W," it's not clear to me what their option means with regard to which building becomes a holding school for MCPS, which is absolutely needed.

Is Option W advocating for Crown to be that holding school, as Taylor proposed? Is it not taking a stance on that?

If it's the latter, I think that sinks Option W because a secondary holding school is absolutely necessary for all of the schools currently in and likely to be moved into the CIP.

Also, if Wootton is advocating to be included in the CIP, who are they advocating be bumped out? I'm not seeing how they're creating leverage with Option W. It just basically seems like the Wootton Cluster wants its cake and to eat it too.

Wootton does not want to serve as a holding school. That position is independent of whether MCPS ultimately designates Crown as a holding school. Framing this as a black-and-white choice oversimplifies the situation. Taylor is already exploring a P3 model for school renovations, which makes it possible for two or even three schools to be renovated at the same time

You are kidding yourself if you think the choice is independent of the Crown decision. In order for Wootton to be added to the CIP as advocated, SOMETHING needs to be removed to add Wootton to the CIP.

MCPS already stated there would be serious savings in time and money if Damascus, which is the only high school currently in the CIP, was able to use Crown as a holding school. It sounds like they might have been willing, based on the Wootton community's advocacy for a safe and modern building, to shift them into Crown and use Wootton as the holding school, but it appears the Wootton community is rejecting that too.

The only other alternative to make Option W happen would be for Wootton to ask for Damascus to be bumped from the current CIP and added in its place. Is that what Option W is asking for? Again, Option W wants to wave a magic wand without making any difficult decisions or tradeoffs but doesn't explain how or why that would be feasible.

Wootton isn’t even included in the CIP, and the boundary study isn’t going to put Wootton into the CIP either, so I don’t see your point. Framing Crown as a holding school as if it’s Wootton’s problem only muddies the water. If Damascus needs a holding school, that’s something Damascus should advocate for. It’s not Wootton’s responsibility to advocate on Damascus’s behalf. Wootton is simply asking to remain where it is and receive an emergency fix for failing components of the building.

You might want to talk to your colleague. The PP who I was going back and forth with said Wootton wants emergency fixes AND to be put into the queue for a renovation in the CIP.

You're saying you don't want to get into the CIP. Which one is it?

I thought Wootton was already in the CIP for 2035+? https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OMB/Resources/Files/omb/pdfs/fy25/cip_pdf/P652115.pdf

What's wrong with performing emergency fixes now, and then Wootton waiting 10+ years for a full renovation? Has anyone done a financial assessment for the costs of the emergency fixes Wootton is requesting? Maybe some of the FY26 amount of $1.456M includes this (see above link)? One would think that emergency fixes wouldn't bump anyone down in the CIP, which I thought only included full renovations (hence the name "Capital Improvement Plan")? Emergency fixes could be done over the summer of 2027, obviating the need for any holding school for Wootton, thereby causing the least amount of disruption.

No, that’s not CIP. CIP only covers 6 years. That slide is only MCPS projection and nobody will guarantee it’ll be on CIP at this point

There are schools in much worse condition like Magruder and Sherwood. Schools flooding constantly or having ceilings falling down should get priority.

MCPS uses the CFI as its official, objective measure of building condition. Under this metric, Wootton has the second-worst CFI of all high schools in the system. The only reason Wootton moved from #2 to #3 in the renovation queue is its low FARMS rate. Therefore, claiming that other schools are “worse” than Wootton without any objective measurement is inaccurate and not supported by MCPS’s own data.

Buildings change day to day. Wootton is not getting regular flooding or having ceilings fall down that could KILL someone. Put it in perspective.

Wootton gets several gas leaks within a few weeks. You think continuous gas leak will not kill someone?

You do realize that happens at multiple schools. We've had it a few times a year. Yes, we realize that. But, get out of your bubble. Wootton is on the schedule, unlike other schools that are older and have had fewer updates.

I swear it’s like the same 4 people making all the comments. You say “get out of your bubble in every comment” it’s annoying AF.

We have these 4 posters:

“Get out of your bubble”
“Wait your turn”
“Option H makes the most fiscal sense”
“Other schools are worse off”

None seem to want to hear anything except confirmation of their own viewpoints. My guess is none of them live in Wootton, but rather Crown or East MoCo.

What else do you want people to say? Your school has gotten painted, repairs, new bathrooms and more. Your school is having the same issues as every other school. You were offered a new school and said no. You are in line for repairs. That's not good enough. We ask what solutions do you suggest and you say none or its not your responsibility to come up with anything. So, you are complaining to complain.

What solutions do you offer?

And we forgot about the “what solutions do you offer poster?”

At this point, I’d settle for option H to just go away. As well as all of you who don’t live in the cluster and are just being combative acting like it’s no big deal for all this ridiculousness to happen. And that we are wrong for not accepting a school we don’t want, never asked for and was never meant to be ours anyway.

I forgot about that one, but was trying to stick with 4. Maybe they’re one of those 4 but adding a little twist?

The sad part is that there ARE other solutions beyond Option H - and that poster knows it - but won’t accept any of those solutions that doesn’t screw over Wootton.

Not only that but it’s not our job to come up with solutions. We pay so much in taxes and it’s unbelievable that we even have schools in the condition they are in. H is so out of left field we are absolutely allowed to say no way but that shouldn’t mean we have to all come together as taxpayers/parents and troubleshoot solutions. That is ridiculous-it’s MCPS and county council’s job to fix these problems-not ours. The leaders in MCPS get paid excellent salaries-it’s not so crazy to think that they should be spending time coming up with other better options that don’t involve permanently displacing an entire community.

But Option H allows MCPS and the county council to cover up their mistake in building Crown where they did. Then again, maybe it wasn’t a mistake if the “free” land came with a quid pro quo promised to Crown developers who could sell/rent the surrounding residential real estate at inflated prices by trading on the Wootton name? A PP noted that some of the apartments around Crown are advertising it as the “Home of the new Wootton”. Why would developers spend a lot of money on such advertising signage if there isn’t a deal in place that MCPS is trying to ram through (with help from the shills on this board)?

This is 100% false.

Why are you lying when it's so easily proven?

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Anonymous wrote:For those in the Wootton Cluster advocating for Option "W," it's not clear to me what their option means with regard to which building becomes a holding school for MCPS, which is absolutely needed.

Is Option W advocating for Crown to be that holding school, as Taylor proposed? Is it not taking a stance on that?

If it's the latter, I think that sinks Option W because a secondary holding school is absolutely necessary for all of the schools currently in and likely to be moved into the CIP.

Also, if Wootton is advocating to be included in the CIP, who are they advocating be bumped out? I'm not seeing how they're creating leverage with Option W. It just basically seems like the Wootton Cluster wants its cake and to eat it too.

Wootton does not want to serve as a holding school. That position is independent of whether MCPS ultimately designates Crown as a holding school. Framing this as a black-and-white choice oversimplifies the situation. Taylor is already exploring a P3 model for school renovations, which makes it possible for two or even three schools to be renovated at the same time

You are kidding yourself if you think the choice is independent of the Crown decision. In order for Wootton to be added to the CIP as advocated, SOMETHING needs to be removed to add Wootton to the CIP.

MCPS already stated there would be serious savings in time and money if Damascus, which is the only high school currently in the CIP, was able to use Crown as a holding school. It sounds like they might have been willing, based on the Wootton community's advocacy for a safe and modern building, to shift them into Crown and use Wootton as the holding school, but it appears the Wootton community is rejecting that too.

The only other alternative to make Option W happen would be for Wootton to ask for Damascus to be bumped from the current CIP and added in its place. Is that what Option W is asking for? Again, Option W wants to wave a magic wand without making any difficult decisions or tradeoffs but doesn't explain how or why that would be feasible.

Wootton isn’t even included in the CIP, and the boundary study isn’t going to put Wootton into the CIP either, so I don’t see your point. Framing Crown as a holding school as if it’s Wootton’s problem only muddies the water. If Damascus needs a holding school, that’s something Damascus should advocate for. It’s not Wootton’s responsibility to advocate on Damascus’s behalf. Wootton is simply asking to remain where it is and receive an emergency fix for failing components of the building.

You might want to talk to your colleague. The PP who I was going back and forth with said Wootton wants emergency fixes AND to be put into the queue for a renovation in the CIP.

You're saying you don't want to get into the CIP. Which one is it?

I thought Wootton was already in the CIP for 2035+? https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OMB/Resources/Files/omb/pdfs/fy25/cip_pdf/P652115.pdf

What's wrong with performing emergency fixes now, and then Wootton waiting 10+ years for a full renovation? Has anyone done a financial assessment for the costs of the emergency fixes Wootton is requesting? Maybe some of the FY26 amount of $1.456M includes this (see above link)? One would think that emergency fixes wouldn't bump anyone down in the CIP, which I thought only included full renovations (hence the name "Capital Improvement Plan")? Emergency fixes could be done over the summer of 2027, obviating the need for any holding school for Wootton, thereby causing the least amount of disruption.

No, that’s not CIP. CIP only covers 6 years. That slide is only MCPS projection and nobody will guarantee it’ll be on CIP at this point

There are schools in much worse condition like Magruder and Sherwood. Schools flooding constantly or having ceilings falling down should get priority.

MCPS uses the CFI as its official, objective measure of building condition. Under this metric, Wootton has the second-worst CFI of all high schools in the system. The only reason Wootton moved from #2 to #3 in the renovation queue is its low FARMS rate. Therefore, claiming that other schools are “worse” than Wootton without any objective measurement is inaccurate and not supported by MCPS’s own data.

Buildings change day to day. Wootton is not getting regular flooding or having ceilings fall down that could KILL someone. Put it in perspective.

Wootton gets several gas leaks within a few weeks. You think continuous gas leak will not kill someone?

You do realize that happens at multiple schools. We've had it a few times a year. Yes, we realize that. But, get out of your bubble. Wootton is on the schedule, unlike other schools that are older and have had fewer updates.

I swear it’s like the same 4 people making all the comments. You say “get out of your bubble in every comment” it’s annoying AF.

We have these 4 posters:

“Get out of your bubble”
“Wait your turn”
“Option H makes the most fiscal sense”
“Other schools are worse off”

None seem to want to hear anything except confirmation of their own viewpoints. My guess is none of them live in Wootton, but rather Crown or East MoCo.

What else do you want people to say? Your school has gotten painted, repairs, new bathrooms and more. Your school is having the same issues as every other school. You were offered a new school and said no. You are in line for repairs. That's not good enough. We ask what solutions do you suggest and you say none or its not your responsibility to come up with anything. So, you are complaining to complain.

What solutions do you offer?

And we forgot about the “what solutions do you offer poster?”

At this point, I’d settle for option H to just go away. As well as all of you who don’t live in the cluster and are just being combative acting like it’s no big deal for all this ridiculousness to happen. And that we are wrong for not accepting a school we don’t want, never asked for and was never meant to be ours anyway.

I forgot about that one, but was trying to stick with 4. Maybe they’re one of those 4 but adding a little twist?

The sad part is that there ARE other solutions beyond Option H - and that poster knows it - but won’t accept any of those solutions that doesn’t screw over Wootton.

Not only that but it’s not our job to come up with solutions. We pay so much in taxes and it’s unbelievable that we even have schools in the condition they are in. H is so out of left field we are absolutely allowed to say no way but that shouldn’t mean we have to all come together as taxpayers/parents and troubleshoot solutions. That is ridiculous-it’s MCPS and county council’s job to fix these problems-not ours. The leaders in MCPS get paid excellent salaries-it’s not so crazy to think that they should be spending time coming up with other better options that don’t involve permanently displacing an entire community.

But Option H allows MCPS and the county council to cover up their mistake in building Crown where they did. Then again, maybe it wasn’t a mistake if the “free” land came with a quid pro quo promised to Crown developers who could sell/rent the surrounding residential real estate at inflated prices by trading on the Wootton name? A PP noted that some of the apartments around Crown are advertising it as the “Home of the new Wootton”. Why would developers spend a lot of money on such advertising signage if there isn’t a deal in place that MCPS is trying to ram through (with help from the shills on this board)?

This is 100% false.

Wrong. I just drove by there to validate this. You can even seen the sign on Google Maps right outside the location of Sawyer Flats apartments. It says "Sawyer Flats - Wootton High School - Visit the LEASING OFFICE NEXT RIGHT".

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Anonymous wrote:For those in the Wootton Cluster advocating for Option "W," it's not clear to me what their option means with regard to which building becomes a holding school for MCPS, which is absolutely needed.

Is Option W advocating for Crown to be that holding school, as Taylor proposed? Is it not taking a stance on that?

If it's the latter, I think that sinks Option W because a secondary holding school is absolutely necessary for all of the schools currently in and likely to be moved into the CIP.

Also, if Wootton is advocating to be included in the CIP, who are they advocating be bumped out? I'm not seeing how they're creating leverage with Option W. It just basically seems like the Wootton Cluster wants its cake and to eat it too.

Wootton does not want to serve as a holding school. That position is independent of whether MCPS ultimately designates Crown as a holding school. Framing this as a black-and-white choice oversimplifies the situation. Taylor is already exploring a P3 model for school renovations, which makes it possible for two or even three schools to be renovated at the same time

You are kidding yourself if you think the choice is independent of the Crown decision. In order for Wootton to be added to the CIP as advocated, SOMETHING needs to be removed to add Wootton to the CIP.

MCPS already stated there would be serious savings in time and money if Damascus, which is the only high school currently in the CIP, was able to use Crown as a holding school. It sounds like they might have been willing, based on the Wootton community's advocacy for a safe and modern building, to shift them into Crown and use Wootton as the holding school, but it appears the Wootton community is rejecting that too.

The only other alternative to make Option W happen would be for Wootton to ask for Damascus to be bumped from the current CIP and added in its place. Is that what Option W is asking for? Again, Option W wants to wave a magic wand without making any difficult decisions or tradeoffs but doesn't explain how or why that would be feasible.

Wootton isn’t even included in the CIP, and the boundary study isn’t going to put Wootton into the CIP either, so I don’t see your point. Framing Crown as a holding school as if it’s Wootton’s problem only muddies the water. If Damascus needs a holding school, that’s something Damascus should advocate for. It’s not Wootton’s responsibility to advocate on Damascus’s behalf. Wootton is simply asking to remain where it is and receive an emergency fix for failing components of the building.

You might want to talk to your colleague. The PP who I was going back and forth with said Wootton wants emergency fixes AND to be put into the queue for a renovation in the CIP.

You're saying you don't want to get into the CIP. Which one is it?

I thought Wootton was already in the CIP for 2035+? https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OMB/Resources/Files/omb/pdfs/fy25/cip_pdf/P652115.pdf

What's wrong with performing emergency fixes now, and then Wootton waiting 10+ years for a full renovation? Has anyone done a financial assessment for the costs of the emergency fixes Wootton is requesting? Maybe some of the FY26 amount of $1.456M includes this (see above link)? One would think that emergency fixes wouldn't bump anyone down in the CIP, which I thought only included full renovations (hence the name "Capital Improvement Plan")? Emergency fixes could be done over the summer of 2027, obviating the need for any holding school for Wootton, thereby causing the least amount of disruption.

No, that’s not CIP. CIP only covers 6 years. That slide is only MCPS projection and nobody will guarantee it’ll be on CIP at this point

There are schools in much worse condition like Magruder and Sherwood. Schools flooding constantly or having ceilings falling down should get priority.

MCPS uses the CFI as its official, objective measure of building condition. Under this metric, Wootton has the second-worst CFI of all high schools in the system. The only reason Wootton moved from #2 to #3 in the renovation queue is its low FARMS rate. Therefore, claiming that other schools are “worse” than Wootton without any objective measurement is inaccurate and not supported by MCPS’s own data.

Buildings change day to day. Wootton is not getting regular flooding or having ceilings fall down that could KILL someone. Put it in perspective.

Wootton gets several gas leaks within a few weeks. You think continuous gas leak will not kill someone?

You do realize that happens at multiple schools. We've had it a few times a year. Yes, we realize that. But, get out of your bubble. Wootton is on the schedule, unlike other schools that are older and have had fewer updates.

I swear it’s like the same 4 people making all the comments. You say “get out of your bubble in every comment” it’s annoying AF.

We have these 4 posters:

“Get out of your bubble”
“Wait your turn”
“Option H makes the most fiscal sense”
“Other schools are worse off”

None seem to want to hear anything except confirmation of their own viewpoints. My guess is none of them live in Wootton, but rather Crown or East MoCo.

What else do you want people to say? Your school has gotten painted, repairs, new bathrooms and more. Your school is having the same issues as every other school. You were offered a new school and said no. You are in line for repairs. That's not good enough. We ask what solutions do you suggest and you say none or its not your responsibility to come up with anything. So, you are complaining to complain.

What solutions do you offer?

And we forgot about the “what solutions do you offer poster?”

At this point, I’d settle for option H to just go away. As well as all of you who don’t live in the cluster and are just being combative acting like it’s no big deal for all this ridiculousness to happen. And that we are wrong for not accepting a school we don’t want, never asked for and was never meant to be ours anyway.

I forgot about that one, but was trying to stick with 4. Maybe they’re one of those 4 but adding a little twist?

The sad part is that there ARE other solutions beyond Option H - and that poster knows it - but won’t accept any of those solutions that doesn’t screw over Wootton.

Not only that but it’s not our job to come up with solutions. We pay so much in taxes and it’s unbelievable that we even have schools in the condition they are in. H is so out of left field we are absolutely allowed to say no way but that shouldn’t mean we have to all come together as taxpayers/parents and troubleshoot solutions. That is ridiculous-it’s MCPS and county council’s job to fix these problems-not ours. The leaders in MCPS get paid excellent salaries-it’s not so crazy to think that they should be spending time coming up with other better options that don’t involve permanently displacing an entire community.

But Option H allows MCPS and the county council to cover up their mistake in building Crown where they did. Then again, maybe it wasn’t a mistake if the “free” land came with a quid pro quo promised to Crown developers who could sell/rent the surrounding residential real estate at inflated prices by trading on the Wootton name? A PP noted that some of the apartments around Crown are advertising it as the “Home of the new Wootton”. Why would developers spend a lot of money on such advertising signage if there isn’t a deal in place that MCPS is trying to ram through (with help from the shills on this board)?

This is 100% false.

Wrong. I just drove by there to validate this. You can even seen the sign on Google Maps right outside the location of Sawyer Flats apartments. It says "Sawyer Flats - Wootton High School - Visit the LEASING OFFICE NEXT RIGHT".

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Anonymous wrote:For those in the Wootton Cluster advocating for Option "W," it's not clear to me what their option means with regard to which building becomes a holding school for MCPS, which is absolutely needed.

Is Option W advocating for Crown to be that holding school, as Taylor proposed? Is it not taking a stance on that?

If it's the latter, I think that sinks Option W because a secondary holding school is absolutely necessary for all of the schools currently in and likely to be moved into the CIP.

Also, if Wootton is advocating to be included in the CIP, who are they advocating be bumped out? I'm not seeing how they're creating leverage with Option W. It just basically seems like the Wootton Cluster wants its cake and to eat it too.

Wootton does not want to serve as a holding school. That position is independent of whether MCPS ultimately designates Crown as a holding school. Framing this as a black-and-white choice oversimplifies the situation. Taylor is already exploring a P3 model for school renovations, which makes it possible for two or even three schools to be renovated at the same time

You are kidding yourself if you think the choice is independent of the Crown decision. In order for Wootton to be added to the CIP as advocated, SOMETHING needs to be removed to add Wootton to the CIP.

MCPS already stated there would be serious savings in time and money if Damascus, which is the only high school currently in the CIP, was able to use Crown as a holding school. It sounds like they might have been willing, based on the Wootton community's advocacy for a safe and modern building, to shift them into Crown and use Wootton as the holding school, but it appears the Wootton community is rejecting that too.

The only other alternative to make Option W happen would be for Wootton to ask for Damascus to be bumped from the current CIP and added in its place. Is that what Option W is asking for? Again, Option W wants to wave a magic wand without making any difficult decisions or tradeoffs but doesn't explain how or why that would be feasible.

Wootton isn’t even included in the CIP, and the boundary study isn’t going to put Wootton into the CIP either, so I don’t see your point. Framing Crown as a holding school as if it’s Wootton’s problem only muddies the water. If Damascus needs a holding school, that’s something Damascus should advocate for. It’s not Wootton’s responsibility to advocate on Damascus’s behalf. Wootton is simply asking to remain where it is and receive an emergency fix for failing components of the building.

You might want to talk to your colleague. The PP who I was going back and forth with said Wootton wants emergency fixes AND to be put into the queue for a renovation in the CIP.

You're saying you don't want to get into the CIP. Which one is it?

I thought Wootton was already in the CIP for 2035+? https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OMB/Resources/Files/omb/pdfs/fy25/cip_pdf/P652115.pdf

What's wrong with performing emergency fixes now, and then Wootton waiting 10+ years for a full renovation? Has anyone done a financial assessment for the costs of the emergency fixes Wootton is requesting? Maybe some of the FY26 amount of $1.456M includes this (see above link)? One would think that emergency fixes wouldn't bump anyone down in the CIP, which I thought only included full renovations (hence the name "Capital Improvement Plan")? Emergency fixes could be done over the summer of 2027, obviating the need for any holding school for Wootton, thereby causing the least amount of disruption.

No, that’s not CIP. CIP only covers 6 years. That slide is only MCPS projection and nobody will guarantee it’ll be on CIP at this point

There are schools in much worse condition like Magruder and Sherwood. Schools flooding constantly or having ceilings falling down should get priority.

MCPS uses the CFI as its official, objective measure of building condition. Under this metric, Wootton has the second-worst CFI of all high schools in the system. The only reason Wootton moved from #2 to #3 in the renovation queue is its low FARMS rate. Therefore, claiming that other schools are “worse” than Wootton without any objective measurement is inaccurate and not supported by MCPS’s own data.

Buildings change day to day. Wootton is not getting regular flooding or having ceilings fall down that could KILL someone. Put it in perspective.

Wootton gets several gas leaks within a few weeks. You think continuous gas leak will not kill someone?

You do realize that happens at multiple schools. We've had it a few times a year. Yes, we realize that. But, get out of your bubble. Wootton is on the schedule, unlike other schools that are older and have had fewer updates.

I swear it’s like the same 4 people making all the comments. You say “get out of your bubble in every comment” it’s annoying AF.

We have these 4 posters:

“Get out of your bubble”
“Wait your turn”
“Option H makes the most fiscal sense”
“Other schools are worse off”

None seem to want to hear anything except confirmation of their own viewpoints. My guess is none of them live in Wootton, but rather Crown or East MoCo.

What else do you want people to say? Your school has gotten painted, repairs, new bathrooms and more. Your school is having the same issues as every other school. You were offered a new school and said no. You are in line for repairs. That's not good enough. We ask what solutions do you suggest and you say none or its not your responsibility to come up with anything. So, you are complaining to complain.

What solutions do you offer?

And we forgot about the “what solutions do you offer poster?”

At this point, I’d settle for option H to just go away. As well as all of you who don’t live in the cluster and are just being combative acting like it’s no big deal for all this ridiculousness to happen. And that we are wrong for not accepting a school we don’t want, never asked for and was never meant to be ours anyway.

I forgot about that one, but was trying to stick with 4. Maybe they’re one of those 4 but adding a little twist?

The sad part is that there ARE other solutions beyond Option H - and that poster knows it - but won’t accept any of those solutions that doesn’t screw over Wootton.

Not only that but it’s not our job to come up with solutions. We pay so much in taxes and it’s unbelievable that we even have schools in the condition they are in. H is so out of left field we are absolutely allowed to say no way but that shouldn’t mean we have to all come together as taxpayers/parents and troubleshoot solutions. That is ridiculous-it’s MCPS and county council’s job to fix these problems-not ours. The leaders in MCPS get paid excellent salaries-it’s not so crazy to think that they should be spending time coming up with other better options that don’t involve permanently displacing an entire community.

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Anonymous wrote:For those in the Wootton Cluster advocating for Option "W," it's not clear to me what their option means with regard to which building becomes a holding school for MCPS, which is absolutely needed.

Is Option W advocating for Crown to be that holding school, as Taylor proposed? Is it not taking a stance on that?

If it's the latter, I think that sinks Option W because a secondary holding school is absolutely necessary for all of the schools currently in and likely to be moved into the CIP.

Also, if Wootton is advocating to be included in the CIP, who are they advocating be bumped out? I'm not seeing how they're creating leverage with Option W. It just basically seems like the Wootton Cluster wants its cake and to eat it too.

Wootton does not want to serve as a holding school. That position is independent of whether MCPS ultimately designates Crown as a holding school. Framing this as a black-and-white choice oversimplifies the situation. Taylor is already exploring a P3 model for school renovations, which makes it possible for two or even three schools to be renovated at the same time

You are kidding yourself if you think the choice is independent of the Crown decision. In order for Wootton to be added to the CIP as advocated, SOMETHING needs to be removed to add Wootton to the CIP.

MCPS already stated there would be serious savings in time and money if Damascus, which is the only high school currently in the CIP, was able to use Crown as a holding school. It sounds like they might have been willing, based on the Wootton community's advocacy for a safe and modern building, to shift them into Crown and use Wootton as the holding school, but it appears the Wootton community is rejecting that too.

The only other alternative to make Option W happen would be for Wootton to ask for Damascus to be bumped from the current CIP and added in its place. Is that what Option W is asking for? Again, Option W wants to wave a magic wand without making any difficult decisions or tradeoffs but doesn't explain how or why that would be feasible.

Wootton isn’t even included in the CIP, and the boundary study isn’t going to put Wootton into the CIP either, so I don’t see your point. Framing Crown as a holding school as if it’s Wootton’s problem only muddies the water. If Damascus needs a holding school, that’s something Damascus should advocate for. It’s not Wootton’s responsibility to advocate on Damascus’s behalf. Wootton is simply asking to remain where it is and receive an emergency fix for failing components of the building.

You might want to talk to your colleague. The PP who I was going back and forth with said Wootton wants emergency fixes AND to be put into the queue for a renovation in the CIP.

You're saying you don't want to get into the CIP. Which one is it?

I thought Wootton was already in the CIP for 2035+? https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OMB/Resources/Files/omb/pdfs/fy25/cip_pdf/P652115.pdf

What's wrong with performing emergency fixes now, and then Wootton waiting 10+ years for a full renovation? Has anyone done a financial assessment for the costs of the emergency fixes Wootton is requesting? Maybe some of the FY26 amount of $1.456M includes this (see above link)? One would think that emergency fixes wouldn't bump anyone down in the CIP, which I thought only included full renovations (hence the name "Capital Improvement Plan")? Emergency fixes could be done over the summer of 2027, obviating the need for any holding school for Wootton, thereby causing the least amount of disruption.

No, that’s not CIP. CIP only covers 6 years. That slide is only MCPS projection and nobody will guarantee it’ll be on CIP at this point

There are schools in much worse condition like Magruder and Sherwood. Schools flooding constantly or having ceilings falling down should get priority.

MCPS uses the CFI as its official, objective measure of building condition. Under this metric, Wootton has the second-worst CFI of all high schools in the system. The only reason Wootton moved from #2 to #3 in the renovation queue is its low FARMS rate. Therefore, claiming that other schools are “worse” than Wootton without any objective measurement is inaccurate and not supported by MCPS’s own data.

Buildings change day to day. Wootton is not getting regular flooding or having ceilings fall down that could KILL someone. Put it in perspective.

Wootton gets several gas leaks within a few weeks. You think continuous gas leak will not kill someone?

You do realize that happens at multiple schools. We've had it a few times a year. Yes, we realize that. But, get out of your bubble. Wootton is on the schedule, unlike other schools that are older and have had fewer updates.

I swear it’s like the same 4 people making all the comments. You say “get out of your bubble in every comment” it’s annoying AF.

We have these 4 posters:

“Get out of your bubble”
“Wait your turn”
“Option H makes the most fiscal sense”
“Other schools are worse off”

None seem to want to hear anything except confirmation of their own viewpoints. My guess is none of them live in Wootton, but rather Crown or East MoCo.

What else do you want people to say? Your school has gotten painted, repairs, new bathrooms and more. Your school is having the same issues as every other school. You were offered a new school and said no. You are in line for repairs. That's not good enough. We ask what solutions do you suggest and you say none or its not your responsibility to come up with anything. So, you are complaining to complain.

What solutions do you offer?

And we forgot about the “what solutions do you offer poster?”

At this point, I’d settle for option H to just go away. As well as all of you who don’t live in the cluster and are just being combative acting like it’s no big deal for all this ridiculousness to happen. And that we are wrong for not accepting a school we don’t want, never asked for and was never meant to be ours anyway.

I forgot about that one, but was trying to stick with 4. Maybe they’re one of those 4 but adding a little twist?

The sad part is that there ARE other solutions beyond Option H - and that poster knows it - but won’t accept any of those solutions that doesn’t screw over Wootton.

Not only that but it’s not our job to come up with solutions. We pay so much in taxes and it’s unbelievable that we even have schools in the condition they are in. H is so out of left field we are absolutely allowed to say no way but that shouldn’t mean we have to all come together as taxpayers/parents and troubleshoot solutions. That is ridiculous-it’s MCPS and county council’s job to fix these problems-not ours. The leaders in MCPS get paid excellent salaries-it’s not so crazy to think that they should be spending time coming up with other better options that don’t involve permanently displacing an entire community.

But Option H allows MCPS and the county council to cover up their mistake in building Crown where they did. Then again, maybe it wasn’t a mistake if the “free” land came with a quid pro quo promised to Crown developers who could sell/rent the surrounding residential real estate at inflated prices by trading on the Wootton name? A PP noted that some of the apartments around Crown are advertising it as the “Home of the new Wootton”. Why would developers spend a lot of money on such advertising signage if there isn’t a deal in place that MCPS is trying to ram through (with help from the shills on this board)?

This is 100% false.

Anonymous wrote:I think some of you may need a lesson on what “close by” means. Crown is not “close by” in regards to Wootton. Sure, it’s not very far but it’s “close by” the same way germantown is close to rockville or bethesda is close to gaithersburg. Meaning, sure-close enough where it’s not a big deal to go to an appointment, run an errand once in a while or meet a friend for a meal. But not close by in terms of going there twice a day 5 days a week. It’s 15-20 minutes away. That’s not “close by” for a school.