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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have any experience with how this type of wreckage impacts use of the river in the near future? Thank god the river was mostly frozen and not being used by recreational boaters.

Mostly frozen? Temps have been above freezing for several days.

Well large sections of the river were still frozen know-it-all, whether you understand that or not.

(How arrogant many posters are. Multiple people said they saw ice with their own eyes but you still think you are right!)

Stop it with the ice chunks. This isn’t Lake Michigan, it’s a briney river with a 6-8 foot tide every day that never freezes beyond some chunks and shoreline stuff.

Nothing to do with needing an icebreaker to get to the debris or damage. Yes divers need dry suits this time of year.

Terrible tragic accident. Unless we find out someone was way off protocol or not focusing.

I guess you didn't drive on the GW Parkway or walk/drive anywhere near georgetown or the kennedy center the last two weeks.

No ice floaters or issues last night or in photos or ops this morning. Phew. What a factor. In something.

Two figure skating sisters from Ashburn were lost. I honestly cannot imagine a worse thing happening to anyone-spending your life raising two girls who are doing what they love at the highest level and then losing them together. These parents were taking them to practice 25-50 hours a week--it was likely their entire lives. I think I hope the parents were also on the flight-it seems kinder. I don't know how life can be so cruel. It's unfathomable.

Messaging matters! Words matter. Especially when loss of life, and liability, is at stake.

IMO there is too much information coming out now which says, "Airliner collided with helicopter" when in fact, the helicopter collided with the airliner.

Is this some sort of back-channel attempt to place blame on the airline pilot/airline/air traffic controllers?

Even Hegseth said in his statement: "...a UH60...collided, tragically, with a civilian airliner." (:40 in his video)

If the SECDEF says Army helicopter collided with civilian airliner then headlines/news information should state that.

Headline should be,
"Army helicopter collided with civilian passenger plane, said SECDEF"

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know whether helicopters crossing are supposed to wait for an affirmative okay to cross from the ATC, or whether they can cross unless told NOT to cross by ATC?

This does seem like a crazy intersection to me.

There’s a blackhawk pilot on ABC News - the helicopter was likely not flying low enough given planes descending onto the runway.

People complain when they fly low.

So fly in the path of commercial flights? This should not be left to the pilot’s discretion.

ATC tells the helicopter to go around the plane to no response.

Thought we couldn’t hear either response so we don’t know.

No matter, night vision copter pilots didn’t understand that two runways exist to land from the south and didn’t have the depth perception to tell which plane was closer.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have any experience with how this type of wreckage impacts use of the river in the near future? Thank god the river was mostly frozen and not being used by recreational boaters.

Mostly frozen? Temps have been above freezing for several days.

Well large sections of the river were still frozen know-it-all, whether you understand that or not.

(How arrogant many posters are. Multiple people said they saw ice with their own eyes but you still think you are right!)

Stop it with the ice chunks. This isn’t Lake Michigan, it’s a briney river with a 6-8 foot tide every day that never freezes beyond some chunks and shoreline stuff.

Nothing to do with needing an icebreaker to get to the debris or damage. Yes divers need dry suits this time of year.

Terrible tragic accident. Unless we find out someone was way off protocol or not focusing.

I guess you didn't drive on the GW Parkway or walk/drive anywhere near georgetown or the kennedy center the last two weeks.

Or looked at actual news coverage of the recovery -- where ice chunks are clearly visible.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know whether helicopters crossing are supposed to wait for an affirmative okay to cross from the ATC, or whether they can cross unless told NOT to cross by ATC?

This does seem like a crazy intersection to me.

There’s a blackhawk pilot on ABC News - the helicopter was likely not flying low enough given planes descending onto the runway.

People complain when they fly low.

So fly in the path of commercial flights? This should not be left to the pilot’s discretion.

ATC tells the helicopter to go around the plane to no response.

Why!!??!

Why would anything cut over the river right at the DCA landing strip with jets landing?

Cut over later.

Dont play games either the river at zero, the helo at 200 feet, the descending jet at 400 feet going to 300, and the upcoming 300 foot tall Wilson Bridge.

Or is that the fun tactical maneuver game to play at night in your training black hawk session? Up down up down left right left right.

FAIL.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have any experience with how this type of wreckage impacts use of the river in the near future? Thank god the river was mostly frozen and not being used by recreational boaters.

Mostly frozen? Temps have been above freezing for several days.

Well large sections of the river were still frozen know-it-all, whether you understand that or not.

(How arrogant many posters are. Multiple people said they saw ice with their own eyes but you still think you are right!)

Stop it with the ice chunks. This isn’t Lake Michigan, it’s a briney river with a 6-8 foot tide every day that never freezes beyond some chunks and shoreline stuff.

Nothing to do with needing an icebreaker to get to the debris or damage. Yes divers need dry suits this time of year.

Terrible tragic accident. Unless we find out someone was way off protocol or not focusing.

Hey wingus, you can listen to the scanners and literally hear them saying they can't get where they need to be because of ice.

Or, you can just be stupid on DCUM. But yes, ice, and yes, it's impeding the rescue/recovery efforts.

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Anonymous wrote:➡️ January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!

So they sabotaged it? I doubt that very much. I have a higher opinion of FAA employees than you do.

Not sabotage. Stress.

Remember that one of Trump’s people said their goal was to “traumatize federal employees.”

Was this actually an ATC error? I thought it was mainly the helicopter error.

No one knows yet.

And will we know accurate information?

President Musk needs to decide which executive branch to blame.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know whether helicopters crossing are supposed to wait for an affirmative okay to cross from the ATC, or whether they can cross unless told NOT to cross by ATC?

This does seem like a crazy intersection to me.

There’s a blackhawk pilot on ABC News - the helicopter was likely not flying low enough given planes descending onto the runway.

People complain when they fly low.

So fly in the path of commercial flights? This should not be left to the pilot’s discretion.

ATC tells the helicopter to go around the plane to no response.

Why was the helicopter even there in a busy flight landing path?

Because this is the DMV with CIA, DoD, Pentagon, etc. DCA was supposed to be relieved by Dulles but politicians who fly in and their constituents want the convenience of DCA. Ask Warnock-D-GA the leader of the charge on more slots at DCA https://www.warnock.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/05.03.2024-Bipartisan-DCA-Slots-Dear-Colleague.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have any experience with how this type of wreckage impacts use of the river in the near future? Thank god the river was mostly frozen and not being used by recreational boaters.

Mostly frozen? Temps have been above freezing for several days.

Well large sections of the river were still frozen know-it-all, whether you understand that or not.

(How arrogant many posters are. Multiple people said they saw ice with their own eyes but you still think you are right!)

Stop it with the ice chunks. This isn’t Lake Michigan, it’s a briney river with a 6-8 foot tide every day that never freezes beyond some chunks and shoreline stuff.

Nothing to do with needing an icebreaker to get to the debris or damage. Yes divers need dry suits this time of year.

Terrible tragic accident. Unless we find out someone was way off protocol or not focusing.

https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/community/local-news/ice-breaking-boat-fatal-crash-potomac-river-GKL2DI4CQJC5ZOJC7QL2CQEHY4/

Then why does DC Fire & Rescue need an icebreaker boat? Oh, that's right--because the Potomac *does* freeze some years.

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Anonymous wrote:➡️ January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!

So they sabotaged it? I doubt that very much. I have a higher opinion of FAA employees than you do.

Not sabotage. Stress.

Remember that one of Trump’s people said their goal was to “traumatize federal employees.”

Was this actually an ATC error? I thought it was mainly the helicopter error.

No one knows yet.

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Anonymous wrote:➡️ January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!

So they sabotaged it? I doubt that very much. I have a higher opinion of FAA employees than you do.

Not sabotage. Stress.

Remember that one of Trump’s people said their goal was to “traumatize federal employees.”

Was this actually an ATC error? I thought it was mainly the helicopter error.

The helicopter pilot was also a federal employee.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have any experience with how this type of wreckage impacts use of the river in the near future? Thank god the river was mostly frozen and not being used by recreational boaters.

Mostly frozen? Temps have been above freezing for several days.

Well large sections of the river were still frozen know-it-all, whether you understand that or not.

(How arrogant many posters are. Multiple people said they saw ice with their own eyes but you still think you are right!)

Stop it with the ice chunks. This isn’t Lake Michigan, it’s a briney river with a 6-8 foot tide every day that never freezes beyond some chunks and shoreline stuff.

Nothing to do with needing an icebreaker to get to the debris or damage. Yes divers need dry suits this time of year.

Terrible tragic accident. Unless we find out someone was way off protocol or not focusing.

I guess you didn't drive on the GW Parkway or walk/drive anywhere near georgetown or the kennedy center the last two weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:➡️ January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!

So they sabotaged it? I doubt that very much. I have a higher opinion of FAA employees than you do.

Not sabotage. Stress.

Remember that one of Trump’s people said their goal was to “traumatize federal employees.”

Was this actually an ATC error? I thought it was mainly the helicopter error.

January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!

This should be at the top of every news site around the world.