Anonymous
01/31/2023 17:02
Subject: The Twitter Files
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow. I just spent a few minutes scrolling back through the last month of twitter posts by Joe Lauria.
I can see how Joe Lauria might get flagged as a Russian bot. Like Tucker Carlson, he churns out a ton of anti-NATO, anti-US, anti-Ukraine propaganda. At least 30 posts in the last month alone. And lest ye say "well he's anti-war" NOT ONE post actually critical of the war, let alone critical of Russia or Putin - in fact he posted two items in the last month that PRAISED Putin. So, he is NOT "anti-war." I have no doubt that Russian trolls and bots would be prolifically reposting and reusing what Lauria posts, just as Russian propagandists like Simonyan and Solovyev do with Tucker Carlson clips on prime-time Russian TV.
An algorithm looking for Russian bots and trolls would easily pick Lauria up as he is the exact kind of source material they'd want to use. If Lauria isn't overtly working on behalf of the Russians he is at the very least undeniably a useful idiot supplying ammunition for the Russians.
There's you, a DCUM nobody, and then there's Lauria - who is a veteran journalist who has covered UN for 20+ years for the WSJ, Boston Globe, the Times etc.
...a guy who maybe used to be known and respected, but who's more recently gone Randy Quaid. Seems to be happening a lot, like Glenn Greenwald and others. Maybe it's a mental break, maybe it's early onset dementia. Either way, he's clearly no longer an objective or reliable source of information.
There isn't a journalist alive on air today who meets this description.
Sure, but it's a gradation of how accurate or inaccurate they are in their reporting, and how much they inject their own personal biases and editorializations into it versus just reporting. Lauria pretty much just writes opinionated editorials filled with conspiracy theories. I wouldn't even call him a journalist.
And you are free not to read him or not to call him anything you want, because your judgment comes with no consequences. But it's quite another matter to pronounce him a Russian bot and have this label repeated without evidence or questioning. That's called marginalization of dissent.
Anonymous
01/31/2023 17:00
Subject: Re:The Twitter Files
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
How can anyone BELIEVE Taibbi with a straight face? He wants to play investigative journalist, he has full access to Twitter's internal files, records, emails and reports, yet hasn't posted a damn thing about the *actual* Russian troll farms, Internet Research Agency, the server farms running bots, how Twitter is *still* failing to counter them, and how about all of the sketchy things that have happened SINCE Musk took over - bullying and unjustified firings (lawsuits abound), rents and bills not paid, disgusting bathrooms for lack of janitorial staff, essential Twitter services like MFA broken, and worse yet Twitter banning watchdogs keeping tabs on far right extremism like Chad Loder, at Elon Musk's personal behest. If you can't coherently speak to any of those things then there's your answer how we can indeed, with a straight face, question the legitimacy of what Taibbi is peddling.
"Don't write about what you want, write about what I want!"
Come on, man. Taibbi's reporting is akin to a version of the Lord of the Rings being about a happy-go-lucky dude named Smeagol who found a beautiful ring that made him happy, but then a criminal gang of evil hobbit thugs came and stole it from him and that's the entire story, start to finish, not a single other thing to discuss and how dare you ask.
I don't understand. Taibbi wrote about one specific set of events concerning Hamilton68 and their engagement with Twitter. Yet you insist that his writing cannot be credible unless he ALSO covers the lack of janitorial staff at Twitter. Like, why? What is this mysterious insistence that you cannot possibly entertain a story about one event at a company unless it also covers EVERYTHING else?
Because it's dishonest. It's a lie of omission. And, we aren't talking about some irrelevant random details, we're talking about critical context of what was going on at the time relative to Russian trolls, bots and influence operations. Again, was the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy just about some guy named Smeagol who got rolled by thugs? Nothing else in the story was relevant or meaningful in any way?
If you can't acknowledge and admit this, then you aren't even qualified to be having this discussion.
Anonymous
01/31/2023 16:56
Subject: The Twitter Files
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow. I just spent a few minutes scrolling back through the last month of twitter posts by Joe Lauria.
I can see how Joe Lauria might get flagged as a Russian bot. Like Tucker Carlson, he churns out a ton of anti-NATO, anti-US, anti-Ukraine propaganda. At least 30 posts in the last month alone. And lest ye say "well he's anti-war" NOT ONE post actually critical of the war, let alone critical of Russia or Putin - in fact he posted two items in the last month that PRAISED Putin. So, he is NOT "anti-war." I have no doubt that Russian trolls and bots would be prolifically reposting and reusing what Lauria posts, just as Russian propagandists like Simonyan and Solovyev do with Tucker Carlson clips on prime-time Russian TV.
An algorithm looking for Russian bots and trolls would easily pick Lauria up as he is the exact kind of source material they'd want to use. If Lauria isn't overtly working on behalf of the Russians he is at the very least undeniably a useful idiot supplying ammunition for the Russians.
There's you, a DCUM nobody, and then there's Lauria - who is a veteran journalist who has covered UN for 20+ years for the WSJ, Boston Globe, the Times etc.
...a guy who maybe used to be known and respected, but who's more recently gone Randy Quaid. Seems to be happening a lot, like Glenn Greenwald and others. Maybe it's a mental break, maybe it's early onset dementia. Either way, he's clearly no longer an objective or reliable source of information.
There isn't a journalist alive on air today who meets this description.
Sure, but it's a gradation of how accurate or inaccurate they are in their reporting, and how much they inject their own personal biases and editorializations into it versus just reporting. Lauria pretty much just writes opinionated editorials filled with conspiracy theories. I wouldn't even call him a journalist.
Anonymous
01/31/2023 16:48
Subject: The Twitter Files
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow. I just spent a few minutes scrolling back through the last month of twitter posts by Joe Lauria.
I can see how Joe Lauria might get flagged as a Russian bot. Like Tucker Carlson, he churns out a ton of anti-NATO, anti-US, anti-Ukraine propaganda. At least 30 posts in the last month alone. And lest ye say "well he's anti-war" NOT ONE post actually critical of the war, let alone critical of Russia or Putin - in fact he posted two items in the last month that PRAISED Putin. So, he is NOT "anti-war." I have no doubt that Russian trolls and bots would be prolifically reposting and reusing what Lauria posts, just as Russian propagandists like Simonyan and Solovyev do with Tucker Carlson clips on prime-time Russian TV.
An algorithm looking for Russian bots and trolls would easily pick Lauria up as he is the exact kind of source material they'd want to use. If Lauria isn't overtly working on behalf of the Russians he is at the very least undeniably a useful idiot supplying ammunition for the Russians.
There's you, a DCUM nobody, and then there's Lauria - who is a veteran journalist who has covered UN for 20+ years for the WSJ, Boston Globe, the Times etc.
...a guy who maybe used to be known and respected, but who's more recently gone Randy Quaid. Seems to be happening a lot, like Glenn Greenwald and others. Maybe it's a mental break, maybe it's early onset dementia. Either way, he's clearly no longer an objective or reliable source of information.
There isn't a journalist alive on air today who meets this description.
Anonymous
01/31/2023 16:44
Subject: Re:The Twitter Files
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
How can anyone BELIEVE Taibbi with a straight face? He wants to play investigative journalist, he has full access to Twitter's internal files, records, emails and reports, yet hasn't posted a damn thing about the *actual* Russian troll farms, Internet Research Agency, the server farms running bots, how Twitter is *still* failing to counter them, and how about all of the sketchy things that have happened SINCE Musk took over - bullying and unjustified firings (lawsuits abound), rents and bills not paid, disgusting bathrooms for lack of janitorial staff, essential Twitter services like MFA broken, and worse yet Twitter banning watchdogs keeping tabs on far right extremism like Chad Loder, at Elon Musk's personal behest. If you can't coherently speak to any of those things then there's your answer how we can indeed, with a straight face, question the legitimacy of what Taibbi is peddling.
"Don't write about what you want, write about what I want!"
Come on, man. Taibbi's reporting is akin to a version of the Lord of the Rings being about a happy-go-lucky dude named Smeagol who found a beautiful ring that made him happy, but then a criminal gang of evil hobbit thugs came and stole it from him and that's the entire story, start to finish, not a single other thing to discuss and how dare you ask.
I don't understand. Taibbi wrote about one specific set of events concerning Hamilton68 and their engagement with Twitter. Yet you insist that his writing cannot be credible unless he ALSO covers the lack of janitorial staff at Twitter. Like, why? What is this mysterious insistence that you cannot possibly entertain a story about one event at a company unless it also covers EVERYTHING else?
Anonymous
01/31/2023 16:42
Subject: The Twitter Files
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow. I just spent a few minutes scrolling back through the last month of twitter posts by Joe Lauria.
I can see how Joe Lauria might get flagged as a Russian bot. Like Tucker Carlson, he churns out a ton of anti-NATO, anti-US, anti-Ukraine propaganda. At least 30 posts in the last month alone. And lest ye say "well he's anti-war" NOT ONE post actually critical of the war, let alone critical of Russia or Putin - in fact he posted two items in the last month that PRAISED Putin. So, he is NOT "anti-war." I have no doubt that Russian trolls and bots would be prolifically reposting and reusing what Lauria posts, just as Russian propagandists like Simonyan and Solovyev do with Tucker Carlson clips on prime-time Russian TV.
An algorithm looking for Russian bots and trolls would easily pick Lauria up as he is the exact kind of source material they'd want to use. If Lauria isn't overtly working on behalf of the Russians he is at the very least undeniably a useful idiot supplying ammunition for the Russians.
You are the reason censorship exists - you only want freedom for the information you approve of.
Where did I call for censorship? I'm just saying call it out for what it is. Lauria is a Russian propagandist's dream. That's just a fact. Meanwhile, you trying to shut me down for saying that seems like a strong desire for censorship on your part.
I've never supported censorship. But that said, I have absolutely no problem with labeling non-factual information as such. Like, NO, there aren't microchips in the covid vaccines that make you magnetic. Sadly millions of people keep proving over and over again that they lack the education, logical and critical thinking skills and discrimination to know better.
With all due respect, I don't think a single person on this forum is qualified to pronounce what is factual and what isn't in the realm of foreign policy, where governments all over the world have shown great willingness to lie and obfuscate with impunity. All we can do is allow for the information marketplace and make our own decisions. Yet here we have an operation that proclaimed hundreds of genuine (although disagreeable to you) voices to be "Russian bots", and had this statement embraced without any questioning or hesitation. Do you see anything wrong with this picture?
Anonymous
01/31/2023 16:30
Subject: Re:The Twitter Files
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
How can anyone BELIEVE Taibbi with a straight face? He wants to play investigative journalist, he has full access to Twitter's internal files, records, emails and reports, yet hasn't posted a damn thing about the *actual* Russian troll farms, Internet Research Agency, the server farms running bots, how Twitter is *still* failing to counter them, and how about all of the sketchy things that have happened SINCE Musk took over - bullying and unjustified firings (lawsuits abound), rents and bills not paid, disgusting bathrooms for lack of janitorial staff, essential Twitter services like MFA broken, and worse yet Twitter banning watchdogs keeping tabs on far right extremism like Chad Loder, at Elon Musk's personal behest. If you can't coherently speak to any of those things then there's your answer how we can indeed, with a straight face, question the legitimacy of what Taibbi is peddling.
"Don't write about what you want, write about what I want!"
Come on, man. Taibbi's reporting is akin to a version of the Lord of the Rings being about a happy-go-lucky dude named Smeagol who found a beautiful ring that made him happy, but then a criminal gang of evil hobbit thugs came and stole it from him and that's the entire story, start to finish, not a single other thing to discuss and how dare you ask.
Anonymous
01/31/2023 16:26
Subject: The Twitter Files
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow. I just spent a few minutes scrolling back through the last month of twitter posts by Joe Lauria.
I can see how Joe Lauria might get flagged as a Russian bot. Like Tucker Carlson, he churns out a ton of anti-NATO, anti-US, anti-Ukraine propaganda. At least 30 posts in the last month alone. And lest ye say "well he's anti-war" NOT ONE post actually critical of the war, let alone critical of Russia or Putin - in fact he posted two items in the last month that PRAISED Putin. So, he is NOT "anti-war." I have no doubt that Russian trolls and bots would be prolifically reposting and reusing what Lauria posts, just as Russian propagandists like Simonyan and Solovyev do with Tucker Carlson clips on prime-time Russian TV.
An algorithm looking for Russian bots and trolls would easily pick Lauria up as he is the exact kind of source material they'd want to use. If Lauria isn't overtly working on behalf of the Russians he is at the very least undeniably a useful idiot supplying ammunition for the Russians.
There's you, a DCUM nobody, and then there's Lauria - who is a veteran journalist who has covered UN for 20+ years for the WSJ, Boston Globe, the Times etc.
...a guy who maybe used to be known and respected, but who's more recently gone Randy Quaid. Seems to be happening a lot, like Glenn Greenwald and others. Maybe it's a mental break, maybe it's early onset dementia. Either way, he's clearly no longer an objective or reliable source of information.
Anonymous
01/31/2023 16:23
Subject: The Twitter Files
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow. I just spent a few minutes scrolling back through the last month of twitter posts by Joe Lauria.
I can see how Joe Lauria might get flagged as a Russian bot. Like Tucker Carlson, he churns out a ton of anti-NATO, anti-US, anti-Ukraine propaganda. At least 30 posts in the last month alone. And lest ye say "well he's anti-war" NOT ONE post actually critical of the war, let alone critical of Russia or Putin - in fact he posted two items in the last month that PRAISED Putin. So, he is NOT "anti-war." I have no doubt that Russian trolls and bots would be prolifically reposting and reusing what Lauria posts, just as Russian propagandists like Simonyan and Solovyev do with Tucker Carlson clips on prime-time Russian TV.
An algorithm looking for Russian bots and trolls would easily pick Lauria up as he is the exact kind of source material they'd want to use. If Lauria isn't overtly working on behalf of the Russians he is at the very least undeniably a useful idiot supplying ammunition for the Russians.
You are the reason censorship exists - you only want freedom for the information you approve of.
Where did I call for censorship? I'm just saying call it out for what it is. Lauria is a Russian propagandist's dream. That's just a fact. Meanwhile, you trying to shut me down for saying that seems like a strong desire for censorship on your part.
I've never supported censorship. But that said, I have absolutely no problem with labeling non-factual information as such. Like, NO, there aren't microchips in the covid vaccines that make you magnetic. Sadly millions of people keep proving over and over again that they lack the education, logical and critical thinking skills and discrimination to know better.
Anonymous
01/31/2023 16:19
Subject: The Twitter Files
Anonymous wrote:Wow. I just spent a few minutes scrolling back through the last month of twitter posts by Joe Lauria.
I can see how Joe Lauria might get flagged as a Russian bot. Like Tucker Carlson, he churns out a ton of anti-NATO, anti-US, anti-Ukraine propaganda. At least 30 posts in the last month alone. And lest ye say "well he's anti-war" NOT ONE post actually critical of the war, let alone critical of Russia or Putin - in fact he posted two items in the last month that PRAISED Putin. So, he is NOT "anti-war." I have no doubt that Russian trolls and bots would be prolifically reposting and reusing what Lauria posts, just as Russian propagandists like Simonyan and Solovyev do with Tucker Carlson clips on prime-time Russian TV.
An algorithm looking for Russian bots and trolls would easily pick Lauria up as he is the exact kind of source material they'd want to use. If Lauria isn't overtly working on behalf of the Russians he is at the very least undeniably a useful idiot supplying ammunition for the Russians.
There's you, a DCUM nobody, and then there's Lauria - who is a veteran journalist who has covered UN for 20+ years for the WSJ, Boston Globe, the Times etc.
Anonymous
01/31/2023 16:15
Subject: Re:The Twitter Files
Anonymous wrote:
How can anyone BELIEVE Taibbi with a straight face? He wants to play investigative journalist, he has full access to Twitter's internal files, records, emails and reports, yet hasn't posted a damn thing about the *actual* Russian troll farms, Internet Research Agency, the server farms running bots, how Twitter is *still* failing to counter them, and how about all of the sketchy things that have happened SINCE Musk took over - bullying and unjustified firings (lawsuits abound), rents and bills not paid, disgusting bathrooms for lack of janitorial staff, essential Twitter services like MFA broken, and worse yet Twitter banning watchdogs keeping tabs on far right extremism like Chad Loder, at Elon Musk's personal behest. If you can't coherently speak to any of those things then there's your answer how we can indeed, with a straight face, question the legitimacy of what Taibbi is peddling.
"Don't write about what you want, write about what I want!"
Anonymous
01/31/2023 16:15
Subject: The Twitter Files
Anonymous wrote:Wow. I just spent a few minutes scrolling back through the last month of twitter posts by Joe Lauria.
I can see how Joe Lauria might get flagged as a Russian bot. Like Tucker Carlson, he churns out a ton of anti-NATO, anti-US, anti-Ukraine propaganda. At least 30 posts in the last month alone. And lest ye say "well he's anti-war" NOT ONE post actually critical of the war, let alone critical of Russia or Putin - in fact he posted two items in the last month that PRAISED Putin. So, he is NOT "anti-war." I have no doubt that Russian trolls and bots would be prolifically reposting and reusing what Lauria posts, just as Russian propagandists like Simonyan and Solovyev do with Tucker Carlson clips on prime-time Russian TV.
An algorithm looking for Russian bots and trolls would easily pick Lauria up as he is the exact kind of source material they'd want to use. If Lauria isn't overtly working on behalf of the Russians he is at the very least undeniably a useful idiot supplying ammunition for the Russians.
You are the reason censorship exists - you only want freedom for the information you approve of.
Anonymous
01/31/2023 16:08
Subject: Re:The Twitter Files
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone here dispute Taibbi’s argument about Hamilton 68 and its dashboard? Let the neocons answer, and answer proudly.
You out there neocons? Thoughts?
What is it you want to know?
How anyone can argue with a straight face that he’s wrong. Can’t be done.
How can anyone BELIEVE Taibbi with a straight face? He wants to play investigative journalist, he has full access to Twitter's internal files, records, emails and reports, yet hasn't posted a damn thing about the *actual* Russian troll farms, Internet Research Agency, the server farms running bots, how Twitter is *still* failing to counter them, and how about all of the sketchy things that have happened SINCE Musk took over - bullying and unjustified firings (lawsuits abound), rents and bills not paid, disgusting bathrooms for lack of janitorial staff, essential Twitter services like MFA broken, and worse yet Twitter banning watchdogs keeping tabs on far right extremism like Chad Loder, at Elon Musk's personal behest. If you can't coherently speak to any of those things then there's your answer how we can indeed, with a straight face, question the legitimacy of what Taibbi is peddling.
Because right wingers are virtue signaling snowflakes who enjoy playing the victim. They’re not interested in actual wrongdoing.
+100
Anonymous
01/31/2023 16:07
Subject: The Twitter Files
Wow. I just spent a few minutes scrolling back through the last month of twitter posts by Joe Lauria.
I can see how Joe Lauria might get flagged as a Russian bot. Like Tucker Carlson, he churns out a ton of anti-NATO, anti-US, anti-Ukraine propaganda. At least 30 posts in the last month alone. And lest ye say "well he's anti-war" NOT ONE post actually critical of the war, let alone critical of Russia or Putin - in fact he posted two items in the last month that PRAISED Putin. So, he is NOT "anti-war." I have no doubt that Russian trolls and bots would be prolifically reposting and reusing what Lauria posts, just as Russian propagandists like Simonyan and Solovyev do with Tucker Carlson clips on prime-time Russian TV.
An algorithm looking for Russian bots and trolls would easily pick Lauria up as he is the exact kind of source material they'd want to use. If Lauria isn't overtly working on behalf of the Russians he is at the very least undeniably a useful idiot supplying ammunition for the Russians.
I can see how Joe Lauria might get flagged as a Russian bot. Like Tucker Carlson, he churns out a ton of anti-NATO, anti-US, anti-Ukraine propaganda. At least 30 posts in the last month alone. And lest ye say "well he's anti-war" NOT ONE post actually critical of the war, let alone critical of Russia or Putin - in fact he posted two items in the last month that PRAISED Putin. So, he is NOT "anti-war." I have no doubt that Russian trolls and bots would be prolifically reposting and reusing what Lauria posts, just as Russian propagandists like Simonyan and Solovyev do with Tucker Carlson clips on prime-time Russian TV.
An algorithm looking for Russian bots and trolls would easily pick Lauria up as he is the exact kind of source material they'd want to use. If Lauria isn't overtly working on behalf of the Russians he is at the very least undeniably a useful idiot supplying ammunition for the Russians.
Anonymous
01/31/2023 16:04
Subject: Re:The Twitter Files
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone here dispute Taibbi’s argument about Hamilton 68 and its dashboard? Let the neocons answer, and answer proudly.
You out there neocons? Thoughts?
What is it you want to know?
How anyone can argue with a straight face that he’s wrong. Can’t be done.
How can anyone BELIEVE Taibbi with a straight face? He wants to play investigative journalist, he has full access to Twitter's internal files, records, emails and reports, yet hasn't posted a damn thing about the *actual* Russian troll farms, Internet Research Agency, the server farms running bots, how Twitter is *still* failing to counter them, and how about all of the sketchy things that have happened SINCE Musk took over - bullying and unjustified firings (lawsuits abound), rents and bills not paid, disgusting bathrooms for lack of janitorial staff, essential Twitter services like MFA broken, and worse yet Twitter banning watchdogs keeping tabs on far right extremism like Chad Loder, at Elon Musk's personal behest. If you can't coherently speak to any of those things then there's your answer how we can indeed, with a straight face, question the legitimacy of what Taibbi is peddling.
Because right wingers are virtue signaling snowflakes who enjoy playing the victim. They’re not interested in actual wrongdoing.