Anonymous wrote:The issue NY is going to have is that they are going to get stuck with many Venezuelans and who have committed crimes because Venezuela has a history of not taking back its citizens who have deportation orders from the US. They stopped for 4 years then only started back again in October but paused flights 2 or 3 weeks ago.

It’s the same with several countries including Pakistan who refuse to take back visa overstayers and others with deportation orders.

Abbots strategy is brilliant because he probably realize this and doesn’t want to get stuck with a large population of migrants who aren’t eligible for work papers and can’t be deported.

Not so brilliant, because Texas has got its own problems like a high rate of births to teenagers. Why import juvenile delinquents when you can just create your own? https://www.texastribune.org/2022/02/21/texas-teenage-pregnancy-abortion/

New York City is expanding a migrant shelter curfew on Monday to more than a dozen locations following a string of recent violent incidents involving police and migrants in Times Square.

The 11 p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew – which initially was put in place at four shelters – will now be in effect at 20 others, impacting about 3,600 migrants, according to Kayla Mamelak, a spokesperson for Mayor Eric Adams' administration.

One of the shelters in Long Island City, Queens, houses nearly 1,000 migrants, and the curfews began last month in response to neighborhood complaints, The Associated Press reported.

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Anonymous wrote:This criminal is 15 years old.
From Venezuela.
Had been staying in a migrant shelter - a hotel.

According to immigration experts, these migrants will pay into Social Security to keep it going for old Americans.

I assume you are sarcastic, but the left has gone so crazy I could imagine people on Biden's team saying that, so I have to ask - are you serious?

Anonymous wrote:This criminal is 15 years old.
From Venezuela.
Had been staying in a migrant shelter - a hotel.

According to immigration experts, these migrants will pay into Social Security to keep it going for old Americans.

Anonymous wrote:The issue NY is going to have is that they are going to get stuck with many Venezuelans and who have committed crimes because Venezuela has a history of not taking back its citizens who have deportation orders from the US. They stopped for 4 years then only started back again in October but paused flights 2 or 3 weeks ago.

It’s the same with several countries including Pakistan who refuse to take back visa overstayers and others with deportation orders.

Abbots strategy is brilliant because he probably realize this and doesn’t want to get stuck with a large population of migrants who aren’t eligible for work papers and can’t be deported.

Very reminiscent of the Cuban / Mariel-boat lift, where Marxist dictator Castro ordered the army to truck all the violent mental patients and all the hardened criminals from prisons down to the beach, where they were all immediately transported to the Miami area and released.

There is no actual “America” as a cohesive country anymore. There’s a marketplace and a bunch of post-1965 USians stumbling about, along with the ex-slaves wailing at everyone.

We have housing shortages, medical shortages, rising food prices, rising prices on multiple goods and services. This is all driven by supply and demand.

We don't need the migrants. They're driving down labor prices and they're using up scarce resources. Idiot fringe liberal communities are showering them with benefits that under-served, tax paying citizens who've more than paid their dues to society aren't getting.

Sent them all back, whether their countries want them back or not. And submit an invoice to their governments for the cost of sustaining them while they were here. The bill won't be paid, but maybe it can be deducted from aid provided to these countries. Force their governments to take accountability for deliberately sending their jailbait to the U.S., and for facilitation the migrant flight out of their countries.

Make birth control education and information a necessity in the countries receiving U.S. aid. A big part of the problem is the poverty caused by over-population problems in these nations.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand how legal immigrants have to prove they are not criminals to come and these guys who show they are criminals get to stay.

Legal immigrants who commit felonies get deported.

Right, so why do these other guys get to stay?

Which other guys are you talking about?

One of the things the immigration bill would have accomplished would have been quicker work permits for asylum applicants--who are coming from all over the globe btw. Many cities wanted this because there would be less strain on public resources AND they have shortages in low skilled areas (where I live we still have businesses with reduced hours because of labor shortages, and an unemployment rate well under 2%). Keep in mind regular immigration is reserved for college-educated people and those with families in the US--not just a matter of "waiting your turn." We have a legal obligation to hear asylum petitions (btw even when the US had incontrovertible evidence of systematic murder of Jews during WWII we STILL refused to allow Jewish refugees in, and Britain STILL refused to allow immigration to the British Mandate in Palestine; after WWII our immigration policies were heavily skewed by Cold War politics including our support of murderous right wing regimes in Latin America).

Trump did not stop employing (if, in fact, he has completely stopped) undocumented workers himself until well into his presidency--his winery still had undocumented workers in 2020 (when they were fired after harvest) and had done so for decades. Wage disputes involving the undocumented Polish workers he started using in 1980, and related court cases, weren't settled until 1998 (under seal) and he continued to use undocumented workers at various properties (as stated above) well into his presidency--remember the housekeeper from Bedminster who described cleaning the orange makeup stains from his collars?

There are laws that apply here, which Trump thinks he can ignore like he ignores all the other laws. And you cannot deport people unless there is a country that will accept them, with this a recurring problem for decades (and in part one factor that leads us to support the very governments people tend to flee from). (Generally, the crime rate for immigrants, including undocumented immigrants, is lower than for the public at large.)

I am not going to comment on all the stuff you wrote, but let me make two points....
1. Giving these people work permits is a draw factor. The more we allow people to work, the more that will come across the border. It is unsustainable now. It will only get worse.

2. Regarding the bolded.... I don't think you can make this claim any longer. First, we have a whole lot of illegal migrant gangs that have infiltrated our country. Add to that the number of migrants who have raped and killed citizens in recent years, the crime rate has grown. Then, there is the issue that most stated don't report immigration status of people accused, convicted, or incarcerated.

https://cis.org/Oped/What-media-tell-you-about-illegalimmigrant-crime-plain-wrong

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand how legal immigrants have to prove they are not criminals to come and these guys who show they are criminals get to stay.

Legal immigrants who commit felonies get deported.

Right, so why do these other guys get to stay?

Which other guys are you talking about?

One of the things the immigration bill would have accomplished would have been quicker work permits for asylum applicants--who are coming from all over the globe btw. Many cities wanted this because there would be less strain on public resources AND they have shortages in low skilled areas (where I live we still have businesses with reduced hours because of labor shortages, and an unemployment rate well under 2%). Keep in mind regular immigration is reserved for college-educated people and those with families in the US--not just a matter of "waiting your turn." We have a legal obligation to hear asylum petitions (btw even when the US had incontrovertible evidence of systematic murder of Jews during WWII we STILL refused to allow Jewish refugees in, and Britain STILL refused to allow immigration to the British Mandate in Palestine; after WWII our immigration policies were heavily skewed by Cold War politics including our support of murderous right wing regimes in Latin America).

Trump did not stop employing (if, in fact, he has completely stopped) undocumented workers himself until well into his presidency--his winery still had undocumented workers in 2020 (when they were fired after harvest) and had done so for decades. Wage disputes involving the undocumented Polish workers he started using in 1980, and related court cases, weren't settled until 1998 (under seal) and he continued to use undocumented workers at various properties (as stated above) well into his presidency--remember the housekeeper from Bedminster who described cleaning the orange makeup stains from his collars?

There are laws that apply here, which Trump thinks he can ignore like he ignores all the other laws. And you cannot deport people unless there is a country that will accept them, with this a recurring problem for decades (and in part one factor that leads us to support the very governments people tend to flee from). (Generally, the crime rate for immigrants, including undocumented immigrants, is lower than for the public at large.)

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Anonymous wrote:Now they are allowing some to receive welfare benefits as well.

https://nypost.com/2024/02/10/metro/thousands-of-migrants-get-cash-aid-through-hochul-policy-change/

Hochul just might force some of these NY voters to flip to Republican......

From your link:

Councilman Robert Holden (D-Queens) agreed, saying “The endless handouts to the entire world are a slap in the face to every citizen who has contributed to and sacrificed for this country.”

“It’s time to end this madness,” he added.

I do wonder if NYers will continue to vote for Democrats, even after all of this. They probably will. And I will have ZERO sympathy for any of them.

Anonymous wrote:The issue NY is going to have is that they are going to get stuck with many Venezuelans and who have committed crimes because Venezuela has a history of not taking back its citizens who have deportation orders from the US. They stopped for 4 years then only started back again in October but paused flights 2 or 3 weeks ago.

It’s the same with several countries including Pakistan who refuse to take back visa overstayers and others with deportation orders.

Abbots strategy is brilliant because he probably realize this and doesn’t want to get stuck with a large population of migrants who aren’t eligible for work papers and can’t be deported.

And, the reason they will not take back their citizens...... they reportedly empty their prisons and send them north to the US.

Anonymous wrote:This criminal is 15 years old.
From Venezuela.
Had been staying in a migrant shelter - a hotel.

But you’ve got to admire his clean, all-white look. Is he wearing slides?

The issue NY is going to have is that they are going to get stuck with many Venezuelans and who have committed crimes because Venezuela has a history of not taking back its citizens who have deportation orders from the US. They stopped for 4 years then only started back again in October but paused flights 2 or 3 weeks ago.

It’s the same with several countries including Pakistan who refuse to take back visa overstayers and others with deportation orders.

Abbots strategy is brilliant because he probably realize this and doesn’t want to get stuck with a large population of migrants who aren’t eligible for work papers and can’t be deported.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now they are allowing some to receive welfare benefits as well.

https://nypost.com/2024/02/10/metro/thousands-of-migrants-get-cash-aid-through-hochul-policy-change/

Hochul just might force some of these NY voters to flip to Republican......

From your link:

Councilman Robert Holden (D-Queens) agreed, saying “The endless handouts to the entire world are a slap in the face to every citizen who has contributed to and sacrificed for this country.”

“It’s time to end this madness,” he added.

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