Imagine a world where you would not have to count calories, grams of sugar, exercise to burn it off.

Imagine, you could just eat quality food and not gain weight.

That’s how a lot of people live in Europe
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But no, you keep clinging to your crap and keep saying that if only you eat a little bit of it, it’ll be OK. You just need to count how much crap you consume.

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“They hide 20g of sugar”
Are you this passive in real life? Eating whatever “they” sell you? Read the labels. It’s all right there. Buy the yogurt without any added sugar. It says “plain”. I buy the full fat plain yogurt and add real fruit to it (fresh or frozen). It doesn’t take a genius to read a food label. There are standards in labeling. It’s required and has all you need to know to make an informed decision. That list of food you rattled off, I don’t even need to read the label to know it’s not healthy, but if you didn’t know, the label would tell you how much crap is in there.

Would you buy a car or appliance without doing independent research or would you trust the Super Bowl ads wholeheartedly?

Did you know there are 61 names for sugar that go on ingredient label?

1. Label says “Made with Whole Grains”
Implies: 100% of grains used are whole.
Really means: Recipe often includes only a “pinch” of whole grains, added to many more refined ones. “Made with whole grains” is technically true, but only in a legalistic sense!

2. Label says “Multi-Grain”
Implies: More healthful with whole grains.
Often means: Many refined grains.

3. Label says “No Cholesterol”
Implies: More desirable because it is a special formulation without cholesterol.
Often means: The food never contained cholesterol in the first place; for example, “no-cholesterol peanut butter.” Cholesterol is only found in animal products. Plant-derived food never has cholesterol.

4. Label says “Natural”
Implies: No man-made ingredients, organic, non-GMO.
Often means: Nothing at all. “Natural” is not a claim verified by any oversight body.

5. Label: Sugary junk food does not list sugar as the first ingredient
Implies: Sugar content is not very high.
Often means: Food contains many forms of sugar, none of which are in high enough amounts to require it to be listed first on the food label. But cumulatively, the combination of many forms of sugar can still add up to little more than a processed form of rock candy. Various names for sugar include:
Corn syrup solids, crystal dextrose, evaporated cane juice, fructose sweetener, fruit juice concentrates, malt syrup, maple syrup, molasses, concentrated fruit juice, hexitol, inversol, isomalt, maltodextrin, malted barley, nectars, pentose, raisin syrup and, well…you get the picture!

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Ah, no sorry. It didn’t “all start” with a couple grams of sugar in wheat bread or ketsup. It started with chocolate milk, Cocoa Puffs, kool-aid, white bread bologna sandwiches, cheeseburgers, totino’a pizza rolls, Little Debbie. The excuses here are bananas. Speaking of bananas, maybe it is their fault because they are high in sugar too

No, it’s not just pizza. It’s little things. It’s how they hide 20g of sugar in a yogurt and 50g in coffee, how sugar has ten different names on ingredient label and you may not know them, how you have to be a god damn expert at reading labels to know the food additives and coloring to avoid. Why do we have to teach children to decipher ingredients labels? Why can’t we have food standards?

“They hide 20g of sugar”
Are you this passive in real life? Eating whatever “they” sell you? Read the labels. It’s all right there. Buy the yogurt without any added sugar. It says “plain”. I buy the full fat plain yogurt and add real fruit to it (fresh or frozen). It doesn’t take a genius to read a food label. There are standards in labeling. It’s required and has all you need to know to make an informed decision. That list of food you rattled off, I don’t even need to read the label to know it’s not healthy, but if you didn’t know, the label would tell you how much crap is in there.

Would you buy a car or appliance without doing independent research or would you trust the Super Bowl ads wholeheartedly?

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been in France the past few weeks visiting my spouse’s family and would like to point out that French people do not go to fancy restaurants that specialize in elaborate sauces every day, or even very often. Most people are very health conscious, and that means eating 2-3 real meals per day, mostly prepared at home with quality ingredients. Every meal includes vegetables.

I’ve been eating all I want, drinking a little wine every single day, and have not worked out once in three weeks, except for walking around town. I’ve lost 5lbs. There’s something wrong with American culture around eating/ exercising (in that it has to be feast or famine, literally) and also I really think that American processed food (bread, pasta, crackers) somehow are worse. Perhaps all the enrichment.

Except for walking around town... LOL
Why are people blind to the benefits of walking?

I’m not at all blind to the benefits of walking. I go for long walks every day at home in Washington, plus I exercise intensely 4-5 times per week. I’m absolutely moving less in France, eating whatever I want and losing weight. And, this always happens when I come visit family in Europe. There is absolutely a difference in the quality of our food in the US.

Oh and by the way I’m a thin guy. I’m not making excuses for being overweight because I’m not overweight. I’m just sharing an observation that our food supply in the US is crap.

Americans on this thread can’t imagine that you can eat whatever you want and maintain healthy weight just because if the quality of food.

Nooo, it’s not American way. We should be at war with food and log calories, count grams of sugar, know all fifty names for it on ingredient label and exercise five times a week.

Yes exactly. I see parallels to American parenting philosophies too - eg it has to be hard and painful in order to do it correctly, and you should derive moral superiority from your suffering

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been in France the past few weeks visiting my spouse’s family and would like to point out that French people do not go to fancy restaurants that specialize in elaborate sauces every day, or even very often. Most people are very health conscious, and that means eating 2-3 real meals per day, mostly prepared at home with quality ingredients. Every meal includes vegetables.

I’ve been eating all I want, drinking a little wine every single day, and have not worked out once in three weeks, except for walking around town. I’ve lost 5lbs. There’s something wrong with American culture around eating/ exercising (in that it has to be feast or famine, literally) and also I really think that American processed food (bread, pasta, crackers) somehow are worse. Perhaps all the enrichment.

Except for walking around town... LOL
Why are people blind to the benefits of walking?

I’m not at all blind to the benefits of walking. I go for long walks every day at home in Washington, plus I exercise intensely 4-5 times per week. I’m absolutely moving less in France, eating whatever I want and losing weight. And, this always happens when I come visit family in Europe. There is absolutely a difference in the quality of our food in the US.

Oh and by the way I’m a thin guy. I’m not making excuses for being overweight because I’m not overweight. I’m just sharing an observation that our food supply in the US is crap.

Americans on this thread can’t imagine that you can eat whatever you want and maintain healthy weight just because if the quality of food.

Nooo, it’s not American way. We should be at war with food and log calories, count grams of sugar, know all fifty names for it on ingredient label and exercise five times a week.

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Ah, no sorry. It didn’t “all start” with a couple grams of sugar in wheat bread or ketsup. It started with chocolate milk, Cocoa Puffs, kool-aid, white bread bologna sandwiches, cheeseburgers, totino’a pizza rolls, Little Debbie. The excuses here are bananas. Speaking of bananas, maybe it is their fault because they are high in sugar too

No, it’s not just pizza. It’s little things. It’s how they hide 20g of sugar in a yogurt and 50g in coffee, how sugar has ten different names on ingredient label and you may not know them, how you have to be a god damn expert at reading labels to know the food additives and coloring to avoid. Why do we have to teach children to decipher ingredients labels? Why can’t we have food standards?

You don't need to be an expert to know that you shouldn't eat yogurt with 20g of sugar.

Believe it or not, kids don’t know that.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been in France the past few weeks visiting my spouse’s family and would like to point out that French people do not go to fancy restaurants that specialize in elaborate sauces every day, or even very often. Most people are very health conscious, and that means eating 2-3 real meals per day, mostly prepared at home with quality ingredients. Every meal includes vegetables.

I’ve been eating all I want, drinking a little wine every single day, and have not worked out once in three weeks, except for walking around town. I’ve lost 5lbs. There’s something wrong with American culture around eating/ exercising (in that it has to be feast or famine, literally) and also I really think that American processed food (bread, pasta, crackers) somehow are worse. Perhaps all the enrichment.

Except for walking around town... LOL
Why are people blind to the benefits of walking?

I’m not at all blind to the benefits of walking. I go for long walks every day at home in Washington, plus I exercise intensely 4-5 times per week. I’m absolutely moving less in France, eating whatever I want and losing weight. And, this always happens when I come visit family in Europe. There is absolutely a difference in the quality of our food in the US.

Oh and by the way I’m a thin guy. I’m not making excuses for being overweight because I’m not overweight. I’m just sharing an observation that our food supply in the US is crap.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been in France the past few weeks visiting my spouse’s family and would like to point out that French people do not go to fancy restaurants that specialize in elaborate sauces every day, or even very often. Most people are very health conscious, and that means eating 2-3 real meals per day, mostly prepared at home with quality ingredients. Every meal includes vegetables.

I’ve been eating all I want, drinking a little wine every single day, and have not worked out once in three weeks, except for walking around town. I’ve lost 5lbs. There’s something wrong with American culture around eating/ exercising (in that it has to be feast or famine, literally) and also I really think that American processed food (bread, pasta, crackers) somehow are worse. Perhaps all the enrichment.

Except for walking around town... LOL
Why are people blind to the benefits of walking?

I’m not at all blind to the benefits of walking. I go for long walks every day at home in Washington, plus I exercise intensely 4-5 times per week. I’m absolutely moving less in France, eating whatever I want and losing weight. And, this always happens when I come visit family in Europe. There is absolutely a difference in the quality of our food in the US.

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Ah, no sorry. It didn’t “all start” with a couple grams of sugar in wheat bread or ketsup. It started with chocolate milk, Cocoa Puffs, kool-aid, white bread bologna sandwiches, cheeseburgers, totino’a pizza rolls, Little Debbie. The excuses here are bananas. Speaking of bananas, maybe it is their fault because they are high in sugar too

No, it’s not just pizza. It’s little things. It’s how they hide 20g of sugar in a yogurt and 50g in coffee, how sugar has ten different names on ingredient label and you may not know them, how you have to be a god damn expert at reading labels to know the food additives and coloring to avoid. Why do we have to teach children to decipher ingredients labels? Why can’t we have food standards?

You don't need to be an expert to know that you shouldn't eat yogurt with 20g of sugar.

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Ah, no sorry. It didn’t “all start” with a couple grams of sugar in wheat bread or ketsup. It started with chocolate milk, Cocoa Puffs, kool-aid, white bread bologna sandwiches, cheeseburgers, totino’a pizza rolls, Little Debbie. The excuses here are bananas. Speaking of bananas, maybe it is their fault because they are high in sugar too

No, it’s not just pizza. It’s little things. It’s how they hide 20g of sugar in a yogurt and 50g in coffee, how sugar has ten different names on ingredient label and you may not know them, how you have to be a god damn expert at reading labels to know the food additives and coloring to avoid. Why do we have to teach children to decipher ingredients labels? Why can’t we have food standards?

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Anonymous wrote:You can buy “whole grain” bread and turkey from Walmart and it’s going to be filled with preservatives and sugar. Bread that has a shelf life of months? Seriously?

You just don’t get how the quality of food can impact your life.

Yes, the whopping 2-3 g of sugar per slice.

https://www.google.com/search?q=whole+grain+nutrition+label&client=ms-android-xiaomi&prmd=isnv&sxsrf=ALeKk0233fVwq3rfZJzlDsp1BBUPszg5Dg:1624986253463&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjmzpvDqb3xAhWNK3cKHctFAVMQ_AUoAXoECAIQAg&biw=360&bih=592&dpr=2

Yep, it’s 2-3 grams here, a few grams if crap over there and it all adds up.

What adds up is the 4th slice of pizza, the multiple sodas, beers, handfuls of fries, snacking.

But it's all started from 3 g here 5 grams there sugar everywhere is not a big deal approach.
Added sugar is a big deal in fighting obesity, the sooner society agrees on that the better for the health of that society.

Ah, no sorry. It didn’t “all start” with a couple grams of sugar in wheat bread or ketsup. It started with chocolate milk, Cocoa Puffs, kool-aid, white bread bologna sandwiches, cheeseburgers, totino’a pizza rolls, Little Debbie. The excuses here are bananas. Speaking of bananas, maybe it is their fault because they are high in sugar too

Except that PP is correct. Let’s take yogurt, for example. Out of 50+ options in the case, which one has a reasonable amount of sugar?

Plain. That’s it. And at my Giant, at least, there are maybe 4 options to choose from, only one or two of which are not fat free, which is vile and come with other things you don’t want to consume.

Personally, I’d rather skip the sugar in yogurt, and bread, and ketchup, so my kids can enjoy it in a damn cookie. But it’s not easy to avoid, unless I quit my full time job so I can prepare everything from scratch.

So you get plain yogurt. Flavored yogurt is...flavored. What is the issue? Don’t get it if you don’t want it. Look at the label. Some people eat yogurt as dessert, some a snack, some a condiment, some an ingredient for a recipe, some as a main part of breakfast. There are different yogurts with varying amount of sugar added or no sugar added to meet everyone’s wants and needs. The food industry isn’t tricking you

I do look at the label, so I don’t buy it. But I guarantee you that most people think of yogurt as a breakfast food, not dessert, even though it has the sugar content of the latter.

Thanks for sharing the results of your surveys.

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Anonymous wrote:You can buy “whole grain” bread and turkey from Walmart and it’s going to be filled with preservatives and sugar. Bread that has a shelf life of months? Seriously?

You just don’t get how the quality of food can impact your life.

Yes, the whopping 2-3 g of sugar per slice.

https://www.google.com/search?q=whole+grain+nutrition+label&client=ms-android-xiaomi&prmd=isnv&sxsrf=ALeKk0233fVwq3rfZJzlDsp1BBUPszg5Dg:1624986253463&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjmzpvDqb3xAhWNK3cKHctFAVMQ_AUoAXoECAIQAg&biw=360&bih=592&dpr=2

Yep, it’s 2-3 grams here, a few grams if crap over there and it all adds up.

What adds up is the 4th slice of pizza, the multiple sodas, beers, handfuls of fries, snacking.

But it's all started from 3 g here 5 grams there sugar everywhere is not a big deal approach.
Added sugar is a big deal in fighting obesity, the sooner society agrees on that the better for the health of that society.

Ah, no sorry. It didn’t “all start” with a couple grams of sugar in wheat bread or ketsup. It started with chocolate milk, Cocoa Puffs, kool-aid, white bread bologna sandwiches, cheeseburgers, totino’a pizza rolls, Little Debbie. The excuses here are bananas. Speaking of bananas, maybe it is their fault because they are high in sugar too

Except that PP is correct. Let’s take yogurt, for example. Out of 50+ options in the case, which one has a reasonable amount of sugar?

Plain. That’s it. And at my Giant, at least, there are maybe 4 options to choose from, only one or two of which are not fat free, which is vile and come with other things you don’t want to consume.

Personally, I’d rather skip the sugar in yogurt, and bread, and ketchup, so my kids can enjoy it in a damn cookie. But it’s not easy to avoid, unless I quit my full time job so I can prepare everything from scratch.

I only choose plain yogurt. I flavor it myself with these things called berries, which are a type of fruit. You can find them in the produce section. I imagine some obesity apologist will be here shortly to tell me that fruit has too much sugar and is actually bad for me, or it's difficult for people to find, or it's of bad quality in their opinion so they don't consider it actual food.

Anonymous wrote:I bought “made-in-store” salsa from giant today. Tasted a spoonful and was surprised at how sweet it tasted. Checked the ingredients and sure enough it had added sugar. Like WTH? Why, why, why must there be sugar added to everything!?!?

Salsa is super easy and quick to make. Chop up a couple tomatoes, an onion, cilantro (unless you hate it), squeeze some lime, a little salt and pepper. Takes less than 5 minutes. It will be tastier, healthier, more environmentally friendly, and cheaper than buying a jar of salsa.

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Anonymous wrote:You can buy “whole grain” bread and turkey from Walmart and it’s going to be filled with preservatives and sugar. Bread that has a shelf life of months? Seriously?

You just don’t get how the quality of food can impact your life.

Yes, the whopping 2-3 g of sugar per slice.

https://www.google.com/search?q=whole+grain+nutrition+label&client=ms-android-xiaomi&prmd=isnv&sxsrf=ALeKk0233fVwq3rfZJzlDsp1BBUPszg5Dg:1624986253463&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjmzpvDqb3xAhWNK3cKHctFAVMQ_AUoAXoECAIQAg&biw=360&bih=592&dpr=2

Yep, it’s 2-3 grams here, a few grams if crap over there and it all adds up.

What adds up is the 4th slice of pizza, the multiple sodas, beers, handfuls of fries, snacking.

But it's all started from 3 g here 5 grams there sugar everywhere is not a big deal approach.
Added sugar is a big deal in fighting obesity, the sooner society agrees on that the better for the health of that society.

Ah, no sorry. It didn’t “all start” with a couple grams of sugar in wheat bread or ketsup. It started with chocolate milk, Cocoa Puffs, kool-aid, white bread bologna sandwiches, cheeseburgers, totino’a pizza rolls, Little Debbie. The excuses here are bananas. Speaking of bananas, maybe it is their fault because they are high in sugar too

Except that PP is correct. Let’s take yogurt, for example. Out of 50+ options in the case, which one has a reasonable amount of sugar?

Plain. That’s it. And at my Giant, at least, there are maybe 4 options to choose from, only one or two of which are not fat free, which is vile and come with other things you don’t want to consume.

Personally, I’d rather skip the sugar in yogurt, and bread, and ketchup, so my kids can enjoy it in a damn cookie. But it’s not easy to avoid, unless I quit my full time job so I can prepare everything from scratch.

So you get plain yogurt. Flavored yogurt is...flavored. What is the issue? Don’t get it if you don’t want it. Look at the label. Some people eat yogurt as dessert, some a snack, some a condiment, some an ingredient for a recipe, some as a main part of breakfast. There are different yogurts with varying amount of sugar added or no sugar added to meet everyone’s wants and needs. The food industry isn’t tricking you

I do look at the label, so I don’t buy it. But I guarantee you that most people think of yogurt as a breakfast food, not dessert, even though it has the sugar content of the latter.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can buy “whole grain” bread and turkey from Walmart and it’s going to be filled with preservatives and sugar. Bread that has a shelf life of months? Seriously?

You just don’t get how the quality of food can impact your life.

Yes, the whopping 2-3 g of sugar per slice.

https://www.google.com/search?q=whole+grain+nutrition+label&client=ms-android-xiaomi&prmd=isnv&sxsrf=ALeKk0233fVwq3rfZJzlDsp1BBUPszg5Dg:1624986253463&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjmzpvDqb3xAhWNK3cKHctFAVMQ_AUoAXoECAIQAg&biw=360&bih=592&dpr=2

Yep, it’s 2-3 grams here, a few grams if crap over there and it all adds up.

What adds up is the 4th slice of pizza, the multiple sodas, beers, handfuls of fries, snacking.

But it's all started from 3 g here 5 grams there sugar everywhere is not a big deal approach.
Added sugar is a big deal in fighting obesity, the sooner society agrees on that the better for the health of that society.

Ah, no sorry. It didn’t “all start” with a couple grams of sugar in wheat bread or ketsup. It started with chocolate milk, Cocoa Puffs, kool-aid, white bread bologna sandwiches, cheeseburgers, totino’a pizza rolls, Little Debbie. The excuses here are bananas. Speaking of bananas, maybe it is their fault because they are high in sugar too

Except that PP is correct. Let’s take yogurt, for example. Out of 50+ options in the case, which one has a reasonable amount of sugar?

Plain. That’s it. And at my Giant, at least, there are maybe 4 options to choose from, only one or two of which are not fat free, which is vile and come with other things you don’t want to consume.

Personally, I’d rather skip the sugar in yogurt, and bread, and ketchup, so my kids can enjoy it in a damn cookie. But it’s not easy to avoid, unless I quit my full time job so I can prepare everything from scratch.

So you get plain yogurt. Flavored yogurt is...flavored. What is the issue? Don’t get it if you don’t want it. Look at the label. Some people eat yogurt as dessert, some a snack, some a condiment, some an ingredient for a recipe, some as a main part of breakfast. There are different yogurts with varying amount of sugar added or no sugar added to meet everyone’s wants and needs. The food industry isn’t tricking you