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This wait is agonizing!

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If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.

Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.


^^definitely likely scenario.

I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.

Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.

I served as a juror on a clear case of manslaughter. Father beat his infant for crying too much and baby died from severe blows to head. What PP described above is really what it sounds like being on a jury. It's just so damn sad.

Oh my. You must have been totally traumatized by that. I can't imagine.

It was awful. That poor mother. It was the third trial following two prior mistrials due to jury shenanigans like what was reported above. Jurors never talked about the admissible evidence, only the stuff that judge moved to strike from record. And some jurors felt it necessary to consider how bad their parents had it in jail so why should someone else go through that. Nothing at trial that should've been relevant where between jurors when doors were closed. Now, many years later, I know that if it ever comes down to jury trial, avoid at all costs. Jurors are humans who bring their baggage and biases into it and are really bitter about being there.

And I really wanted that dad to rot in jail.

I had exactly the same jury experience—no law, just people’s baggage. If you’re innocent, ALWAYS go for bench trial.

As if judges aren't biased.

They absolutely are biased, I have experienced it myself.

They are, for sure. But the jurors often take things out of context, don't understand the law or burden of proof. The standards are confusing for jurors and they get it wrong a lot. So which is the lesser of two evils? As an attorney, I've had this conversation with crim atty friends and DAs a lot. Most of my DA friends from law school would go with bench trial 9 times of out 10. Juror trials need to be reformed entirely.

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Anonymous wrote:What are they waiting for, preparing the riot squads?

I live in the Twin Cities. Lots of people getting notice from work to go home now if they are able. The state high school cancelled all sports, practices, and after school activities right around school dismissal. There are National Guard everywhere, not just downtown by the courthouse. There is a whole network/web of law enforcement from the surrounding metro ready to be activated. You could cut the tension with a knife here for the last few days. I pray everyone is safe.

Praying for all involved, PP. I know that will get some snark but it's what I can do from here.

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Anonymous wrote:Do people really think he will get off? I’m sure he will be found guilty of at least something.

What will the reaction be if he's only guilty of manslaughter?

I’m the PP and this is my guess.

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Anonymous wrote:Do people really think he will get off? I’m sure he will be found guilty of at least something.

What will the reaction be if he's only guilty of manslaughter?

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If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.

Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.


^^definitely likely scenario.

I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.

Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.

I served as a juror on a clear case of manslaughter. Father beat his infant for crying too much and baby died from severe blows to head. What PP described above is really what it sounds like being on a jury. It's just so damn sad.

Oh my. You must have been totally traumatized by that. I can't imagine.

It was awful. That poor mother. It was the third trial following two prior mistrials due to jury shenanigans like what was reported above. Jurors never talked about the admissible evidence, only the stuff that judge moved to strike from record. And some jurors felt it necessary to consider how bad their parents had it in jail so why should someone else go through that. Nothing at trial that should've been relevant where between jurors when doors were closed. Now, many years later, I know that if it ever comes down to jury trial, avoid at all costs. Jurors are humans who bring their baggage and biases into it and are really bitter about being there.

And I really wanted that dad to rot in jail.

I had exactly the same jury experience—no law, just people’s baggage. If you’re innocent, ALWAYS go for bench trial.

As if judges aren't biased.

They absolutely are biased, I have experienced it myself.

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Anonymous wrote:Do people really think he will get off? I’m sure he will be found guilty of at least something.

What will the reaction be if he's only guilty of manslaughter?

Anonymous wrote:Do people really think he will get off? I’m sure he will be found guilty of at least something.

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Anonymous wrote:What are they waiting for, preparing the riot squads?

I live in the Twin Cities. Lots of people getting notice from work to go home now if they are able. The state high school cancelled all sports, practices, and after school activities right around school dismissal. There are National Guard everywhere, not just downtown by the courthouse. There is a whole network/web of law enforcement from the surrounding metro ready to be activated. You could cut the tension with a knife here for the last few days. I pray everyone is safe.

Anonymous wrote:Even here, they're telling people in downtown DC to go home now.