The person defending JLo's whorish gyrations is as nutty as the broad over on the Harry and Meaghan thread.

Don't feed the troll. She's probably a paid publicist for JLo.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What disappoints me about a current strain of feminism is this conflation between empowerment and marketing tools. Sex is a common and powerful marketing tool, initially exploited by men (bikini women draped over cars) and now also exploited by women. JLo is a total boss. She used sex to promote her show. Very successfully. That's not empowerment, that's capitalism.

What would have been empowerment, IMO, is to NOT use sex to promote the show. JLo says f&ck all you men. I'm not using my body in this way for your attention. I'm amazing without my crotch too.

But then it wouldn't have caused all this discussion and it wouldn't have given her the most media attention possible, which is what any performer wants.

So, it was a good show but very much the same old, same old. Not empowering. Just the same old "women are good for one thing" message.

What she was actually doing is saying... hey conservative women who have been controlled by men your whole life and told how you can dress and what you can do with your body... I can do whatever I want with my body and no man is stopping me.

Hey conservative men, I can actually do whatever I want with my body... think what you want but it's not for you, can't have it, can't control it, can't stop it.

Stop trying to tell women what to do with their bodies and stop blaming them for what others think while they do things with their body. You chose to think the things you think. The majority of the population did not think those things ... it's all on you, it's in your head, you created those thoughts and most people disagree with you.

Men, conservative or otherwise, have never stopped women from trashy dressing or crotch rubbing. That's exactly where they want women. I don't know how you can find that empowering.

I also don't understand why the message of body freedom applies only to nakedness. I mean if a woman is choosing to do things with her body other than exposing it and simulating sexual acts, do you automatically think she's repressed? Or can you recognize it as another choice?

Sorry to disappoint you but the majority of the population does think it's trashy to move like this and dress like this. Men are happy to watch other people's daughters doing that but they don't want it for their own. Women too.

There were literally THREE independent censorship companies hired to monitor the performance. So yes, even this event was controlled by men.

Yes, conservative men have been controlling what women where all over the world since the beginning of time... take a history course or 5.

Body freedom does not only apply to being able to wear a leotard when dancing or showing your mid drift on stage, look at women in hijabs... they are fighting to be able to wear them with out men controlling that too. No I don't think a woman that wants to wear a hijab is repressed if she chooses to wear that. I don't think Jewish women are repressed for covering their shoulders in synagogue. I don't think women who choose to wear pants (which use to be forbidden because you could see their crotch) are repressed and pants cover more leg than skirts.

Sorry to disappoint you, more than 50% of the viewers loved the 1/2 time show... that is a majority. Good fathers support their daughters in their pursuit whether it is Harvard law or dancing in Vegas. I would be very proud of my daughter being a dancer even if she moved her hips and wore a leotard (which is actually what dancers wear). I would even (hold your hat lady) support my son if he was dancing on stage in that same outfit. (Mind blown!)

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Anonymous wrote:Funny that the people who grew up rebelling in the 70s-90s have now become the Bible thumping, holier than thou and better than you Karens of the world.

In the #metoo era, that strip tease show, and at 8pm!, was a quite peculiar choice.

IN case you missed it, #metoo is about men's behaviors, not women and girls. That was the whole point.

Anonymous wrote:Funny that the people who grew up rebelling in the 70s-90s have now become the Bible thumping, holier than thou and better than you Karens of the world.

In the #metoo era, that strip tease show, and at 8pm!, was a quite peculiar choice.

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone posted this yet?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/opinion/jlo-superbowl-performance.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytopinion

"I feel personally judged by J.Lo's body" - LOL!

This is great! I really think this is the heart of it for a lot of the critics, although I'm sure most are loathe to admit it.

To the PPs saying JLo's performance was especially bad--anyone with even a passing familiarity with her knows her style of dancing is a bit risqué. She even had a brief stripper scene in this video from almost 20 years ago.

Are you guys so up there in age or out of touch that you just had no idea?

Has anyone posted this yet?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/opinion/jlo-superbowl-performance.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytopinion

"I feel personally judged by J.Lo's body" - LOL!

Funny that the people who grew up rebelling in the 70s-90s have now become the Bible thumping, holier than thou and better than you Karens of the world.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What disappoints me about a current strain of feminism is this conflation between empowerment and marketing tools. Sex is a common and powerful marketing tool, initially exploited by men (bikini women draped over cars) and now also exploited by women. JLo is a total boss. She used sex to promote her show. Very successfully. That's not empowerment, that's capitalism.

What would have been empowerment, IMO, is to NOT use sex to promote the show. JLo says f&ck all you men. I'm not using my body in this way for your attention. I'm amazing without my crotch too.

But then it wouldn't have caused all this discussion and it wouldn't have given her the most media attention possible, which is what any performer wants.

So, it was a good show but very much the same old, same old. Not empowering. Just the same old "women are good for one thing" message.

What she was actually doing is saying... hey conservative women who have been controlled by men your whole life and told how you can dress and what you can do with your body... I can do whatever I want with my body and no man is stopping me.

Hey conservative men, I can actually do whatever I want with my body... think what you want but it's not for you, can't have it, can't control it, can't stop it.

Stop trying to tell women what to do with their bodies and stop blaming them for what others think while they do things with their body. You chose to think the things you think. The majority of the population did not think those things ... it's all on you, it's in your head, you created those thoughts and most people disagree with you.

Men, conservative or otherwise, have never stopped women from trashy dressing or crotch rubbing. That's exactly where they want women. I don't know how you can find that empowering.

I also don't understand why the message of body freedom applies only to nakedness. I mean if a woman is choosing to do things with her body other than exposing it and simulating sexual acts, do you automatically think she's repressed? Or can you recognize it as another choice?

Sorry to disappoint you but the majority of the population does think it's trashy to move like this and dress like this. Men are happy to watch other people's daughters doing that but they don't want it for their own. Women too.

You are 100% wrong. The majority of viewers loved the performance. The only people complaining are unattractive women

I'm happy to watch other people's daughters rubbing their crotches on stage.

Anonymous wrote:OK, whoever said that the women who hated this show and are offended for the children were the ones who loved Madonna and Cyndi Lauper and were on the more promiscuous side in HS were right. Just saw my HS facebook feed blowup.

I threw in the part about promiscuity. My findings align with yours, pp.

Shakira what do you think about the horde
of prude snowflakes who don't know how to
operate a tv remote and change the channel
to save their precious children from images
of you gyrating your hips during the Pepsi
Super Bowl Halftime Show?

OK, whoever said that the women who hated this show and are offended for the children were the ones who loved Madonna and Cyndi Lauper and were on the more promiscuous side in HS were right. Just saw my HS facebook feed blowup.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually loved the performance and don't think everyone who didn't like it is unattractive. I do think they tend to feel threatened and/or have conservative values. So, Democrats and Republicans are included, but my guess is more Republicans.

I have seen mostly positive reactions among my own social circle via social media. The only two who were critical were two 50-something white women (my circle is probably 50/50 white/minority). So there is certainly a demographic that goes with being critical, but these women aren't unattractive.

Not conservative and I didn't like it because it was tryhard.

So you would’ve preferred for them to where full length gowns and sing joy to the world?

Nah just leave out the pole and crotch rubbing and it's fine. What's with all the extremes? Is there no room for nuance?

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Lol!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually loved the performance and don't think everyone who didn't like it is unattractive. I do think they tend to feel threatened and/or have conservative values. So, Democrats and Republicans are included, but my guess is more Republicans.

I have seen mostly positive reactions among my own social circle via social media. The only two who were critical were two 50-something white women (my circle is probably 50/50 white/minority). So there is certainly a demographic that goes with being critical, but these women aren't unattractive.

Not conservative and I didn't like it because it was tryhard.

So you would’ve preferred for them to where full length gowns and sing joy to the world?