Anonymous
11/26/2018 08:02
Subject: What's going on with FCBEscola NOVA?
I think the point is that it isn’t cheap. Even $3.5k is double what most are paying for that level of soccer (C and D level at big clubs, which is the appropriate level outside of the 3 or 4 teams club wide that are at a higher level than that, from results).
Anonymous
11/26/2018 07:58
Subject: What's going on with FCBEscola NOVA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You know there isn’t a “set” price for travel right?
Our league has rec and travel. For U9, I think it was around $1800 for travel (and the nutjob coach is free wth purchase). I am sure many pay more than that. $3,000 seems really expensive to me.
Girls ECNL (Loudoun, McLean, BRYC, VDA) is $10k+ per year if you include travel to tournaments.
And if one includes the international tournaments the Escola encourages their teams to enter, for example the MIC cup in Spain, the cost also balloons to easily $10k and more from the nominal $3.5k. Are we competing for highest cost pay to play options?
And parents who do not wish to go or cannot afford the trip are free to turn those trips down without fear of reprisals.
Says you. There’s no way to tell how that might work out longer term for the player that “opts out.”
Clearly you know nothing about how Barca works. There is no penalty to players for not going. Anyone in the program knows how laughable that would be. My kid had the opportunity to go last year. Didn’t want to spend our money on it. There has been zero impact on my U16’s spot on the team.
Anonymous
11/26/2018 07:58
Subject: What's going on with FCBEscola NOVA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You know there isn’t a “set” price for travel right?
Our league has rec and travel. For U9, I think it was around $1800 for travel (and the nutjob coach is free wth purchase). I am sure many pay more than that. $3,000 seems really expensive to me.
Girls ECNL (Loudoun, McLean, BRYC, VDA) is $10k+ per year if you include travel to tournaments.
And if one includes the international tournaments the Escola encourages their teams to enter, for example the MIC cup in Spain, the cost also balloons to easily $10k and more from the nominal $3.5k. Are we competing for highest cost pay to play options?
And parents who do not wish to go or cannot afford the trip are free to turn those trips down without fear of reprisals.
Says you. There’s no way to tell how that might work out longer term for the player that “opts out.”
Mother of tin foil hats...
Lol, yes because it’s inconceivable that a kid who opts out of a tournament may not be treated as well as those who always participate.
Anonymous
11/26/2018 07:51
Subject: What's going on with FCBEscola NOVA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You know there isn’t a “set” price for travel right?
Our league has rec and travel. For U9, I think it was around $1800 for travel (and the nutjob coach is free wth purchase). I am sure many pay more than that. $3,000 seems really expensive to me.
Girls ECNL (Loudoun, McLean, BRYC, VDA) is $10k+ per year if you include travel to tournaments.
And if one includes the international tournaments the Escola encourages their teams to enter, for example the MIC cup in Spain, the cost also balloons to easily $10k and more from the nominal $3.5k. Are we competing for highest cost pay to play options?
And parents who do not wish to go or cannot afford the trip are free to turn those trips down without fear of reprisals.
Says you. There’s no way to tell how that might work out longer term for the player that “opts out.”
They will ask other kids to play until they have a roster. That is how it works out
Anonymous
11/26/2018 07:51
Subject: What's going on with FCBEscola NOVA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You know there isn’t a “set” price for travel right?
Our league has rec and travel. For U9, I think it was around $1800 for travel (and the nutjob coach is free wth purchase). I am sure many pay more than that. $3,000 seems really expensive to me.
Girls ECNL (Loudoun, McLean, BRYC, VDA) is $10k+ per year if you include travel to tournaments.
And if one includes the international tournaments the Escola encourages their teams to enter, for example the MIC cup in Spain, the cost also balloons to easily $10k and more from the nominal $3.5k. Are we competing for highest cost pay to play options?
And parents who do not wish to go or cannot afford the trip are free to turn those trips down without fear of reprisals.
Says you. There’s no way to tell how that might work out longer term for the player that “opts out.”
Mother of tin foil hats...
Anonymous
11/26/2018 07:49
Subject: What's going on with FCBEscola NOVA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You know there isn’t a “set” price for travel right?
Our league has rec and travel. For U9, I think it was around $1800 for travel (and the nutjob coach is free wth purchase). I am sure many pay more than that. $3,000 seems really expensive to me.
Girls ECNL (Loudoun, McLean, BRYC, VDA) is $10k+ per year if you include travel to tournaments.
And if one includes the international tournaments the Escola encourages their teams to enter, for example the MIC cup in Spain, the cost also balloons to easily $10k and more from the nominal $3.5k. Are we competing for highest cost pay to play options?
And parents who do not wish to go or cannot afford the trip are free to turn those trips down without fear of reprisals.
Says you. There’s no way to tell how that might work out longer term for the player that “opts out.”
Anonymous
11/26/2018 07:47
Subject: What's going on with FCBEscola NOVA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You know there isn’t a “set” price for travel right?
Our league has rec and travel. For U9, I think it was around $1800 for travel (and the nutjob coach is free wth purchase). I am sure many pay more than that. $3,000 seems really expensive to me.
Girls ECNL (Loudoun, McLean, BRYC, VDA) is $10k+ per year if you include travel to tournaments.
And if one includes the international tournaments the Escola encourages their teams to enter, for example the MIC cup in Spain, the cost also balloons to easily $10k and more from the nominal $3.5k. Are we competing for highest cost pay to play options?
And parents who do not wish to go or cannot afford the trip are free to turn those trips down without fear of reprisals.
Anonymous
11/26/2018 07:41
Subject: What's going on with FCBEscola NOVA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You know there isn’t a “set” price for travel right?
Our league has rec and travel. For U9, I think it was around $1800 for travel (and the nutjob coach is free wth purchase). I am sure many pay more than that. $3,000 seems really expensive to me.
Girls ECNL (Loudoun, McLean, BRYC, VDA) is $10k+ per year if you include travel to tournaments.
And if one includes the international tournaments the Escola encourages their teams to enter, for example the MIC cup in Spain, the cost also balloons to easily $10k and more from the nominal $3.5k. Are we competing for highest cost pay to play options?
Anonymous
11/26/2018 07:21
Subject: What's going on with FCBEscola NOVA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think his point is that rec teams that aren't together for the long term, with continuity of teammates and coaching shouldn't have to face teams that are professionally coached and train together regularly in an all star rec tournament. I can see where he's coming from.
That said, even with that disadvantage to the rec teasm the Barca teams weren't able to capitalize. So no harm, no foul. It wouldn't be fun to see a travel team come in an clobber everyone, but if it's competitive and on level, why not?
I heard the Barca team beat rec teams badly in the U11 age group at that tournament.
Which ones? Here's the final standings:
Final
NVSC Blue (champions) - 3
FPYC White (Finalists) - 1
Loudoun White (Champions) - 3
SYA (Finalists) - 1
Final
Champion GFRSC
Finalist SYC
Champion FPYC BLACK
Finalist VIenna
Final
U11 Girls (upper bracket Teams ranked 1-6)
Champions A12 GFRSC Dragons
Finalists A4 McLean
Final Score 1-1, 3-2 PK’s
U11 Girls (bottom bracket Teams ranked 7-13)
Champions A2 Loudoun White
Finalists A11 FCSC Strikers
Final Score 3-1
I don't even see a Barca team in the final 4.
You are right, not a Barca team in the bunch. Guess that person was throwing up smoke.
Anonymous
11/26/2018 07:20
Subject: What's going on with FCBEscola NOVA?
All of this is interesting but has nothing to do with FCB escola. It’s interesting that it keeps coming up in this head from the perspective of who is peddling it and the agendas target have brought into other threads, but apart from that, I think there was a thread dedicated to the subject where pro/rel posts belong.
Anonymous
11/26/2018 07:16
Subject: What's going on with FCBEscola NOVA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, and actually, I'd include DA teams in promotion and relegation. Let every team earn the right to the league it aspires to.
I agree. This way the top tier would be a true top tier and have the best coaches.
Please explain how this would work and how it would improve youth soccer.
Anonymous
11/25/2018 23:33
Subject: What's going on with FCBEscola NOVA?
Anonymous wrote:Yeah, and actually, I'd include DA teams in promotion and relegation. Let every team earn the right to the league it aspires to.
I agree. This way the top tier would be a true top tier and have the best coaches.
Anonymous
11/25/2018 23:19
Subject: What's going on with FCBEscola NOVA?
Yeah, and actually, I'd include DA teams in promotion and relegation. Let every team earn the right to the league it aspires to.
Anonymous
11/25/2018 23:10
Subject: What's going on with FCBEscola NOVA?
RantingSoccerDad wrote:Anonymous wrote:RantingSoccerDad wrote:I ask about rec teams because the Herndon tournament is a rec tournament.
Some of the Barca teams are actually playing at a high level, but "any team in town" might be a stretch.
I think the term "developmental" teams rather than "recreational" is more appropriate. In my opinion, the term recreational team is a bit misleading because most local clubs have a separate recreational program offered at lower cost, but with lower quality and amount of training, and generally there is not much team movement between the rec and travel parts of the program within a club. Barca's goal is to teach the teams/players how to play the game and move them eventually to higher level of competition when they are ready. BRYC does the same thing with some of their girls teams, which is a smarter approach than placing a team in a travel league before the team is ready.
BRYC has recreational teams. Older boys are in SFL. Older girls are in a league with Vienna and SYC. http://www.brycsoccer.org/SeniorDiv/U1619Girls/index_E.html?1543200503
Do they also have players who are training with the ECNL program but aren't playing anywhere, even though they have NCSL and ODSL teams?
It's true that there isn't much movement between rec and travel at most clubs. Part of it has to do with how players are registered. Part of it has to do with ridiculous rules. ODSL will let you (at least, as of a couple of years ago) call up rec players to play. But SFL has barriers to letting these players return to rec play after one game in ODSL.
It's all rather silly. Just put every team (maybe aside from the DA) into one giant pyramid. Rec teams will probably be in the lowest tier or two, but you never know. It'd be kind of funny to see a rec team displace a CCL2 or VPL team.
My daughter's team scrimmaged against BRYC U11 "developmental" team. BRYC parents described it as a travel team that has not started to play in any leagues. They were pretty good and my daughter said they were probably better than some of the teams she faced in the WAGs tournament, which is a big compliment. I agree that it makes sense to do one giant pyramid with promotion and relegation, but some big egos (travel coaches, club directors) won't allow that to happen.
Anonymous
11/25/2018 23:05
Subject: What's going on with FCBEscola NOVA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You know there isn’t a “set” price for travel right?
Our league has rec and travel. For U9, I think it was around $1800 for travel (and the nutjob coach is free wth purchase). I am sure many pay more than that. $3,000 seems really expensive to me.
Girls ECNL (Loudoun, McLean, BRYC, VDA) is $10k+ per year if you include travel to tournaments.
Yeah, you can throw in the girls DA too.