Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I can not believe everyone just thinks nothing of these guys having guns drawn on them. These " security guards" were armed and saw an opportunity. Lochte shouldn't have been belligerent ( but plenty of people are aggressive drunks), this could have been a very different story, and dropped endorsements would have been the least of his family's problems. They could have been shipping his body home.

An opportunity? What to get about $80 for damage these guys caused?

You are right about one thing: it could have ended in tragedy which is why you don't go to a foreign country and behave like you have the right to do anything and not to have to face any consequences.

Because they did 80 American dollars worth of damage? No.


I hope you people jumping all over this very "non issue" all felt as much animosity toward Michael Vick, Ray Rice, or any of the other dozens of athletes that have commited actual felonies, that hurt actual people and animals.

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Anonymous wrote:
Um, all of you who keep calling Lochte's defenders racist do know that Ryan Lochte is 1/2 Cuban right (Cuban mom, white dad)? I assume you are going to tell me that it doesn't matter because he looks white, and therefore enjoys "white privilege." Is that how it works? I really want to understand when someone is a person of color and when he's not because, as far as I can tell, Lochte is a POC. His mother immigrated from Cuba, and she has discussed her Cuban heritage on many occasions, as has Ryan. So, I don't think we'd act differently if Ryan was Hispanic since, guess what, HE IS!!!!!

As for his sponsors, I agree that they suck. They may be able to get another Olympian and maybe another swimmer, but he's not going to look like Ryan Lochte. Plus, Lochte is the second most decorated U.S. Olympian of all time (next to Phelps), I believe. He's not just some swimmer.

And all those people calling him a liar, isn't is possible his memory was foggy because he was drunk? What's clear is he was in a taxi, it stopped, guys with guns who it appears showed some badges (according to witnesses) pointed guns in their direction. Eyewitness statements are completely unreliable when people are sober...when they've been drinking, partying all night, and don't have a super high IQ, no wonder some of the details got messed up.

Two points: even for official purposes we have whites who are Hispanic. Lochte's father is white and his mother is a light-skinned Hispanic. Anyone looking at Lochte would assume he is white without knowledge of his antecedents.

With regard to his "foggy memory" his interview when he said he had a gun to his head occurred about five hours after his return to the hotel. And even in his interview yesterday he refuses to acknowledge that he just plain lied and made up crap. Why is he doing this? He was trying to minimize the fall out but it did not work because he lost the sponsors.

As to the actual account of what happened his cab was never stopped with guys coming at them with guns. This was just crap that the sleazebag made up. Read the actual account of what happened.

Does he regret what he did? I doubt it other than for the financial impact it has had on him which is why I'd like to see him banned from competitive swimming just as a deterrent to others.

OK, so he's "white Hispanic"? So, what you're telling me is that means he's not a POC? Really? Because I grew up with many "white Hispanics" and they definitely considered themselves people of color. What if Lochte's dad was Cuban and his mom was white, so his name was Ryan Aramburu (his mother's maiden name)? Then would he be a POC? Come on, Lochte is a POC...that just doesn't fit into your story well.

As for an account of what actually happened, I have read everything out there, so don't suggest you know more than I do. I know what happened. What I'm saying is that his story was not a bald-faced lie as you're suggesting. No, a gun wasn't pointed directly at his head...but it was pointed in his direction. No, his taxi wasn't pulled over, but they were in the taxi and then told to get out by men w/ guns. I don't know why he didn't get his facts straight or why he exaggerated. Maybe he was still intoxicated; maybe he just couldn't remember; maybe his perception was different; maybe he didn't understand the conversation that was going on between the security guards and the translator. Who knows? But the suggestion that he made all this crap up out of thin air is completely and totally ridiculous.

And the further suggestion that he should be banned from his sport!!! Are you kidding me? Athletes who have done so much worse (including Michael Phelps) get suspended and then go on. I hope to god that USA Swimming is smarter and more reasonable about this than you and some of the other people on this board.

This is from a (not drunk) witness who was there at the scene and stepped in:

It is clear from all accounts that a Portuguese-English language barrier played a major role in the incident and that a bilingual Brazilian witness who stepped forward at the scene was critical in preventing a tense situation from escalating.

The witness, Fernando Deluz, says he got involved after one of the guards pulled a gun on the men.

"As soon as they drew their weapon, that's when I got worried,” Deluz, a disc jockey, told USA TODAY Sports on Saturday.

“It was also so fast, and what I wanted was to resolve the situation,” says Deluz, who days later talked to police. “If it hadn't been for wanting to resolve that, if I hadn't involved myself, I thought – the police chief told me, ‘Man, if you hadn't gone there in that moment, a tragedy could have occurred.’ ”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/rio-2016/2016/08/21/investigation-ryan-lochte-rio-olympics-authorities/89082232/

Anonymous wrote:
I can not believe everyone just thinks nothing of these guys having guns drawn on them. These " security guards" were armed and saw an opportunity. Lochte shouldn't have been belligerent ( but plenty of people are aggressive drunks), this could have been a very different story, and dropped endorsements would have been the least of his family's problems. They could have been shipping his body home.

An opportunity? What to get about $80 for damage these guys caused?

You are right about one thing: it could have ended in tragedy which is why you don't go to a foreign country and behave like you have the right to do anything and not to have to face any consequences.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is hilarious how some posters go into contortions to defend a couple of sleazebags who feel they have some sort of right to violate the law in a foreign country and then expect no consequences.

They think that because Brazil is a third world country Americans can do whatever they want. Of course, if Lochte and his compatriots had been black or Hispanic these same people would be less inclined to spring to their defense.

Lochte should face a lifetime ban not only for his lies and attempt to malign a foreign host nation but because he still will not candidly acknowledge that he was wrong. Even in his latest interview, the jerk cannot bring himself to admit what he did and that is why I would like to see him banned from competitive swimming.

Yes, Americans - even white Americans (gasp) - are required to follow the law in a foreign country. Such a revolutionary concept ........

+1,000 Good grief. How is this hard to understand? Depressing that anyone has to spell this out.

You are both ridiculous.

He didn't cold cock his girlfriend
He didn't rape or murder anyone
He didn't brandish a gun
He didn't brutalize helpless animals
He didn't gamble on his sport
He didn't use steroids



He peed behind a building, tore down a poster, and embellished some details....



You people are ridiculous.

You are so right! After all, it was white guys peeing which is far more palatable than a black or Hispanic peeing ....... not to mention those Brazilians whose pee is definitely not palatable to Americans! There are, after all, different gradations of pee.

Yes, and he did embellish some details which is the right term when we are talking about whites ..... if it were a non-white we'd just call it lying!

Um, all of you who keep calling Lochte's defenders racist do know that Ryan Lochte is 1/2 Cuban right (Cuban mom, white dad)? I assume you are going to tell me that it doesn't matter because he looks white, and therefore enjoys "white privilege." Is that how it works? I really want to understand when someone is a person of color and when he's not because, as far as I can tell, Lochte is a POC. His mother immigrated from Cuba, and she has discussed her Cuban heritage on many occasions, as has Ryan. So, I don't think we'd act differently if Ryan was Hispanic since, guess what, HE IS!!!!!

As for his sponsors, I agree that they suck. They may be able to get another Olympian and maybe another swimmer, but he's not going to look like Ryan Lochte. Plus, Lochte is the second most decorated U.S. Olympian of all time (next to Phelps), I believe. He's not just some swimmer.

And all those people calling him a liar, isn't is possible his memory was foggy because he was drunk? What's clear is he was in a taxi, it stopped, guys with guns who it appears showed some badges (according to witnesses) pointed guns in their direction. Eyewitness statements are completely unreliable when people are sober...when they've been drinking, partying all night, and don't have a super high IQ, no wonder some of the details got messed up.

Kobe Bryant is accused of sexual assault and goes on w/ his life, Michael Phelps gets two DUIs, but let's definitely stick it to Lochte for peeing in public and tearing a poster!

You've checked all the boxes of the ignorant American . You stupidly assume that because an individual hails from a Latin American country he/she must be brown . This clearly shows that you lack basic knowledge of Latin America and the various groups that populate it. Ryan lochte mother could've been from Argentina and you'd be peddling that dumb argument , meanwhile as much as 62% of Argentinians have Italian lineage as a result of the massive immigration of said Italians to that part of the world in the 19th and 20th century . You can be Cuban and be anthropologically Caucasian . Hell, I guarantee the bitter assholes who are defending him do so because when they see him , they see a white boy

Anonymous wrote:
Um, all of you who keep calling Lochte's defenders racist do know that Ryan Lochte is 1/2 Cuban right (Cuban mom, white dad)? I assume you are going to tell me that it doesn't matter because he looks white, and therefore enjoys "white privilege." Is that how it works? I really want to understand when someone is a person of color and when he's not because, as far as I can tell, Lochte is a POC. His mother immigrated from Cuba, and she has discussed her Cuban heritage on many occasions, as has Ryan. So, I don't think we'd act differently if Ryan was Hispanic since, guess what, HE IS!!!!!

As for his sponsors, I agree that they suck. They may be able to get another Olympian and maybe another swimmer, but he's not going to look like Ryan Lochte. Plus, Lochte is the second most decorated U.S. Olympian of all time (next to Phelps), I believe. He's not just some swimmer.

And all those people calling him a liar, isn't is possible his memory was foggy because he was drunk? What's clear is he was in a taxi, it stopped, guys with guns who it appears showed some badges (according to witnesses) pointed guns in their direction. Eyewitness statements are completely unreliable when people are sober...when they've been drinking, partying all night, and don't have a super high IQ, no wonder some of the details got messed up.

Two points: even for official purposes we have whites who are Hispanic. Lochte's father is white and his mother is a light-skinned Hispanic. Anyone looking at Lochte would assume he is white without knowledge of his antecedents.

With regard to his "foggy memory" his interview when he said he had a gun to his head occurred about five hours after his return to the hotel. And even in his interview yesterday he refuses to acknowledge that he just plain lied and made up crap. Why is he doing this? He was trying to minimize the fall out but it did not work because he lost the sponsors.

As to the actual account of what happened his cab was never stopped with guys coming at them with guns. This was just crap that the sleazebag made up. Read the actual account of what happened.

Does he regret what he did? I doubt it other than for the financial impact it has had on him which is why I'd like to see him banned from competitive swimming just as a deterrent to others.

^^^ and yes Lochte is a jackass. That doesn't mean Brazil handled this well.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Gambit wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is hilarious how some posters go into contortions to defend a couple of sleazebags who feel they have some sort of right to violate the law in a foreign country and then expect no consequences.

They think that because Brazil is a third world country Americans can do whatever they want. Of course, if Lochte and his compatriots had been black or Hispanic these same people would be less inclined to spring to their defense.

Lochte should face a lifetime ban not only for his lies and attempt to malign a foreign host nation but because he still will not candidly acknowledge that he was wrong. Even in his latest interview, the jerk cannot bring himself to admit what he did and that is why I would like to see him banned from competitive swimming.

Yes, Americans - even white Americans (gasp) - are required to follow the law in a foreign country. Such a revolutionary concept ........

I'm not white, so I don't subscribe to the "white privilege" thinking. And I feel like when you are travelling to another place (country, city, or neighbor's house) you should respect the people and place you are visiting. I even make an effort to learn a few important phases of the local language so as not to be a rude, offensive, Stupid American. I also stated that he was a filthy savage for urinating on the wall, especially when there was a bathroom just inside. However the response that came, a gun in the face, is not a proportional response. Just like what is said in the black lives matter movement, Pulling out a gun for a minor incident is just wrong. If you need to draw your weapon to deal with public urination, and the perp is non-violent, you need to find a new profession.

That didn't happen though. He admitted that was embellished.

Yes, it did. USA Today confirmed that TWO security guards had them sitting at gunpoint.

The part that was embellished is that Lochte said a gun was literally to his forehead, which was not true.

But nonetheless, whether he was at gunpoint or with the gun to his head, it's the same...I agree that it was not at all a proportional response to public urination and pulling down an advertisement poster.

This is what Bentz said happened and I am inclined to believe him:

"After attending an event with several swimmers from different nations, I left in a taxicab along with U.S. swimmers Jack Conger, Jimmy Feigen and Ryan Lochte around 6 a.m. On the way back to the Olympic Village, we pulled into a convenience store to use the restroom. There was no restroom inside, so we foolishly relieved ourselves on the backside of the building behind some bushes. There was a locked door out back and I did not witness anyone breaking it open. I am unsure why, but while we were in that area, Ryan pulled to the ground a framed metal advertisement that was loosely anchored to the brick wall. I then suggested to everyone that we needed to leave the area and we returned to the taxi.

"Two men, whom I believe to have been security guards, then instructed us to exit the vehicle. No guns were drawn during this exchange, but we did see a gun tucked into one of the guard's waistband. As Jimmy and Jack were walking away from the vehicle, the first security guard held up a badge to me and drew his handgun. I yelled to them to come back toward us and they complied. Then the second guard drew his weapon and both guards pointed their guns at us and yelled at us to sit on a nearby sidewalk.

"Again, I cannot speak to his actions, but Ryan stood up and began to yell at the guards. After Jack and I both tugged at him in an attempt to get him to sit back down, Ryan and the security guards had a heated verbal exchange, but no physical contact was made.

"A man that I believe to be a customer approached us and offered to help as he spoke both English and Portuguese. Understandably, we were frightened and confused during this time. Through the interpreter, one of the guards said that we needed to pay them in order to leave. I gave them what I had in my wallet, which was a $20 bill, and Jimmy gave them 100 Reals, which is about $50 in total. They lowered the guns and I used hand gestures to ask if it was okay to leave and they said yes. We walked about a block down the street and hailed another taxi to return to the Village.

The idiot in this entire saga was Lochte with his belligerence and vandalism.

He then compounds the problem by making up a whole lot of crap about being stopped and having a gun placed to his head, etc.

And we actually have people on this forum defending this jackass?

I can not believe everyone just thinks nothing of these guys having guns drawn on them. These " security guards" were armed and saw an opportunity. Lochte shouldn't have been belligerent ( but plenty of people are aggressive drunks), this could have been a very different story, and dropped endorsements would have been the least of his family's problems. They could have been shipping his body home.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Gambit wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is hilarious how some posters go into contortions to defend a couple of sleazebags who feel they have some sort of right to violate the law in a foreign country and then expect no consequences.

They think that because Brazil is a third world country Americans can do whatever they want. Of course, if Lochte and his compatriots had been black or Hispanic these same people would be less inclined to spring to their defense.

Lochte should face a lifetime ban not only for his lies and attempt to malign a foreign host nation but because he still will not candidly acknowledge that he was wrong. Even in his latest interview, the jerk cannot bring himself to admit what he did and that is why I would like to see him banned from competitive swimming.

Yes, Americans - even white Americans (gasp) - are required to follow the law in a foreign country. Such a revolutionary concept ........

I'm not white, so I don't subscribe to the "white privilege" thinking. And I feel like when you are travelling to another place (country, city, or neighbor's house) you should respect the people and place you are visiting. I even make an effort to learn a few important phases of the local language so as not to be a rude, offensive, Stupid American. I also stated that he was a filthy savage for urinating on the wall, especially when there was a bathroom just inside. However the response that came, a gun in the face, is not a proportional response. Just like what is said in the black lives matter movement, Pulling out a gun for a minor incident is just wrong. If you need to draw your weapon to deal with public urination, and the perp is non-violent, you need to find a new profession.

That didn't happen though. He admitted that was embellished.

Yes, it did. USA Today confirmed that TWO security guards had them sitting at gunpoint.

The part that was embellished is that Lochte said a gun was literally to his forehead, which was not true.

But nonetheless, whether he was at gunpoint or with the gun to his head, it's the same...I agree that it was not at all a proportional response to public urination and pulling down an advertisement poster.

This is what Bentz said happened and I am inclined to believe him:

"After attending an event with several swimmers from different nations, I left in a taxicab along with U.S. swimmers Jack Conger, Jimmy Feigen and Ryan Lochte around 6 a.m. On the way back to the Olympic Village, we pulled into a convenience store to use the restroom. There was no restroom inside, so we foolishly relieved ourselves on the backside of the building behind some bushes. There was a locked door out back and I did not witness anyone breaking it open. I am unsure why, but while we were in that area, Ryan pulled to the ground a framed metal advertisement that was loosely anchored to the brick wall. I then suggested to everyone that we needed to leave the area and we returned to the taxi.

"Two men, whom I believe to have been security guards, then instructed us to exit the vehicle. No guns were drawn during this exchange, but we did see a gun tucked into one of the guard's waistband. As Jimmy and Jack were walking away from the vehicle, the first security guard held up a badge to me and drew his handgun. I yelled to them to come back toward us and they complied. Then the second guard drew his weapon and both guards pointed their guns at us and yelled at us to sit on a nearby sidewalk.

"Again, I cannot speak to his actions, but Ryan stood up and began to yell at the guards. After Jack and I both tugged at him in an attempt to get him to sit back down, Ryan and the security guards had a heated verbal exchange, but no physical contact was made.

"A man that I believe to be a customer approached us and offered to help as he spoke both English and Portuguese. Understandably, we were frightened and confused during this time. Through the interpreter, one of the guards said that we needed to pay them in order to leave. I gave them what I had in my wallet, which was a $20 bill, and Jimmy gave them 100 Reals, which is about $50 in total. They lowered the guns and I used hand gestures to ask if it was okay to leave and they said yes. We walked about a block down the street and hailed another taxi to return to the Village.

The idiot in this entire saga was Lochte with his belligerence and vandalism.

He then compounds the problem by making up a whole lot of crap about being stopped and having a gun placed to his head, etc.

And we actually have people on this forum defending this jackass?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is hilarious how some posters go into contortions to defend a couple of sleazebags who feel they have some sort of right to violate the law in a foreign country and then expect no consequences.

They think that because Brazil is a third world country Americans can do whatever they want. Of course, if Lochte and his compatriots had been black or Hispanic these same people would be less inclined to spring to their defense.

Lochte should face a lifetime ban not only for his lies and attempt to malign a foreign host nation but because he still will not candidly acknowledge that he was wrong. Even in his latest interview, the jerk cannot bring himself to admit what he did and that is why I would like to see him banned from competitive swimming.

Yes, Americans - even white Americans (gasp) - are required to follow the law in a foreign country. Such a revolutionary concept ........

+1,000 Good grief. How is this hard to understand? Depressing that anyone has to spell this out.

You are both ridiculous.

He didn't cold cock his girlfriend
He didn't rape or murder anyone
He didn't brandish a gun
He didn't brutalize helpless animals
He didn't gamble on his sport
He didn't use steroids



He peed behind a building, tore down a poster, and embellished some details....



You people are ridiculous.

You are so right! After all, it was white guys peeing which is far more palatable than a black or Hispanic peeing ....... not to mention those Brazilians whose pee is definitely not palatable to Americans! There are, after all, different gradations of pee.

Yes, and he did embellish some details which is the right term when we are talking about whites ..... if it were a non-white we'd just call it lying!

Um, all of you who keep calling Lochte's defenders racist do know that Ryan Lochte is 1/2 Cuban right (Cuban mom, white dad)? I assume you are going to tell me that it doesn't matter because he looks white, and therefore enjoys "white privilege." Is that how it works? I really want to understand when someone is a person of color and when he's not because, as far as I can tell, Lochte is a POC. His mother immigrated from Cuba, and she has discussed her Cuban heritage on many occasions, as has Ryan. So, I don't think we'd act differently if Ryan was Hispanic since, guess what, HE IS!!!!!

As for his sponsors, I agree that they suck. They may be able to get another Olympian and maybe another swimmer, but he's not going to look like Ryan Lochte. Plus, Lochte is the second most decorated U.S. Olympian of all time (next to Phelps), I believe. He's not just some swimmer.

And all those people calling him a liar, isn't is possible his memory was foggy because he was drunk? What's clear is he was in a taxi, it stopped, guys with guns who it appears showed some badges (according to witnesses) pointed guns in their direction. Eyewitness statements are completely unreliable when people are sober...when they've been drinking, partying all night, and don't have a super high IQ, no wonder some of the details got messed up.

Kobe Bryant is accused of sexual assault and goes on w/ his life, Michael Phelps gets two DUIs, but let's definitely stick it to Lochte for peeing in public and tearing a poster!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is hilarious how some posters go into contortions to defend a couple of sleazebags who feel they have some sort of right to violate the law in a foreign country and then expect no consequences.

They think that because Brazil is a third world country Americans can do whatever they want. Of course, if Lochte and his compatriots had been black or Hispanic these same people would be less inclined to spring to their defense.

Lochte should face a lifetime ban not only for his lies and attempt to malign a foreign host nation but because he still will not candidly acknowledge that he was wrong. Even in his latest interview, the jerk cannot bring himself to admit what he did and that is why I would like to see him banned from competitive swimming.

Yes, Americans - even white Americans (gasp) - are required to follow the law in a foreign country. Such a revolutionary concept ........

+1,000 Good grief. How is this hard to understand? Depressing that anyone has to spell this out.

You are both ridiculous.

He didn't cold cock his girlfriend
He didn't rape or murder anyone
He didn't brandish a gun
He didn't brutalize helpless animals
He didn't gamble on his sport
He didn't use steroids



He peed behind a building, tore down a poster, and embellished some details....



You people are ridiculous.

I'm pretty sure the people who perpetuated those acts you cited faced the music . You come across as developmentally challenged

If you can't see the difference in magnitude of those offenses, that explains so much.

Anonymous wrote:

Gambit wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is hilarious how some posters go into contortions to defend a couple of sleazebags who feel they have some sort of right to violate the law in a foreign country and then expect no consequences.

They think that because Brazil is a third world country Americans can do whatever they want. Of course, if Lochte and his compatriots had been black or Hispanic these same people would be less inclined to spring to their defense.

Lochte should face a lifetime ban not only for his lies and attempt to malign a foreign host nation but because he still will not candidly acknowledge that he was wrong. Even in his latest interview, the jerk cannot bring himself to admit what he did and that is why I would like to see him banned from competitive swimming.

Yes, Americans - even white Americans (gasp) - are required to follow the law in a foreign country. Such a revolutionary concept ........

I'm not white, so I don't subscribe to the "white privilege" thinking. And I feel like when you are travelling to another place (country, city, or neighbor's house) you should respect the people and place you are visiting. I even make an effort to learn a few important phases of the local language so as not to be a rude, offensive, Stupid American. I also stated that he was a filthy savage for urinating on the wall, especially when there was a bathroom just inside. However the response that came, a gun in the face, is not a proportional response. Just like what is said in the black lives matter movement, Pulling out a gun for a minor incident is just wrong. If you need to draw your weapon to deal with public urination, and the perp is non-violent, you need to find a new profession.

That didn't happen though. He admitted that was embellished.

Yes, it did. USA Today confirmed that TWO security guards had them sitting at gunpoint.

The part that was embellished is that Lochte said a gun was literally to his forehead, which was not true.

But nonetheless, whether he was at gunpoint or with the gun to his head, it's the same...I agree that it was not at all a proportional response to public urination and pulling down an advertisement poster.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is hilarious how some posters go into contortions to defend a couple of sleazebags who feel they have some sort of right to violate the law in a foreign country and then expect no consequences.

They think that because Brazil is a third world country Americans can do whatever they want. Of course, if Lochte and his compatriots had been black or Hispanic these same people would be less inclined to spring to their defense.

Lochte should face a lifetime ban not only for his lies and attempt to malign a foreign host nation but because he still will not candidly acknowledge that he was wrong. Even in his latest interview, the jerk cannot bring himself to admit what he did and that is why I would like to see him banned from competitive swimming.

Yes, Americans - even white Americans (gasp) - are required to follow the law in a foreign country. Such a revolutionary concept ........

+1,000 Good grief. How is this hard to understand? Depressing that anyone has to spell this out.

You are both ridiculous.

He didn't cold cock his girlfriend
He didn't rape or murder anyone
He didn't brandish a gun
He didn't brutalize helpless animals
He didn't gamble on his sport
He didn't use steroids



He peed behind a building, tore down a poster, and embellished some details....



You people are ridiculous.

You are so right! After all, it was white guys peeing which is far more palatable than a black or Hispanic peeing ....... not to mention those Brazilians whose pee is definitely not palatable to Americans! There are, after all, different gradations of pee.

Yes, and he did embellish some details which is the right term when we are talking about whites ..... if it were a non-white we'd just call it lying!

Anonymous wrote:I hate how sponsors drop people the second there is controversy. Athletes are held to higher standards than elected politicians. I'll never buy another Ralph Lauren product. Chickens!

I'm sure Ralph lauren is losing sleep over your boycott

I wouldn't insult the developmentally challenged by lumping that clown in with them.