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Anonymous wrote:I'm going to teach my girls to assume all men are dirtbags (even though most are not), and unless you know EVERYONE you are with in a closed environment, and trust them completely, don't drink to the point of passing out. And I'm going to teach my sons to respect women and that no means no and that the law says drunk women cannot consent, even if you are drunk too.

You don't have to teach your girls that all men are dirtbags. But do teach your girls and your boys not to get blackout drunk or drink to passing out. Date rape is only one reason it is extremely unsafe.

No such thing as date rape. Rape is rape.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was she the same race as him?
Is she white?
Yes it matters. Greatly.

I don't know that it's public information. I assumed she is white. Nor do I think it matters. What do you think?

I assumed she was white. But then the sentence, disparate treatment of the rapist, the words of the friend "only charged to be political correct"
I hope I'm wrong. I really do.

Anonymous wrote:I'm going to teach my girls to assume all men are dirtbags (even though most are not), and unless you know EVERYONE you are with in a closed environment, and trust them completely, don't drink to the point of passing out. And I'm going to teach my sons to respect women and that no means no and that the law says drunk women cannot consent, even if you are drunk too.

You don't have to teach your girls that all men are dirtbags. But do teach your girls and your boys not to get blackout drunk or drink to passing out. Date rape is only one reason it is extremely unsafe.

Anonymous wrote:if true, then I agree. But I had read that he was kissing her at the party?

Kissing someone doesn't give them the right to finger you behind a dumpster while you're passed out cold.

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You know what? I read her story and think that I would have been severely upset and angry if I found out that some opportunistic college hook up had fingered me while I was passed out drunk.

But being passed out drunk and half naked and then being photographed like that by the police... being at the hospital and not knowing what had happened to me, getting that rape kit done, being photographed again, going through the trial, having all of that graphic evidence laid out for all to see.....that would have been way worse than the initial crime. Maybe that's just me. But I can not imagine going through that hell...

I thought that too. Waking up and feeling majorly creeped out about blacking out and finding some evidence of sexual activity VS. it all being a huge traumatizing ordeal that has been rehashed 1000000x.

^and it sucks that it happened at all but then it sucks even more with everything that happened after.

I'm going to teach my girls to assume all men are dirtbags (even though most are not), and unless you know EVERYONE you are with in a closed environment, and trust them completely, don't drink to the point of passing out. And I'm going to teach my sons to respect women and that no means no and that the law says drunk women cannot consent, even if you are drunk too.

You know what? I read her story and think that I would have been severely upset and angry if I found out that some opportunistic college hook up had fingered me while I was passed out drunk.

But being passed out drunk and half naked and then being photographed like that by the police... being at the hospital and not knowing what had happened to me, getting that rape kit done, being photographed again, going through the trial, having all of that graphic evidence laid out for all to see.....that would have been way worse than the initial crime. Maybe that's just me. But I can not imagine going through that hell...

I thought that too. Waking up and feeling majorly creeped out about blacking out and finding some evidence of sexual activity VS. it all being a huge traumatizing ordeal that has been rehashed 1000000x.

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Anonymous wrote:In fact, the accusation was "helping rapists rape."

3r here. This isnot the first time a poster has accused others of being rape supporters, victim blamers and enablers. Some of us are getting a bit tired of it.

Being told that you're "helping rapists" is also not persuasive. That accusation was made more than once this afternoon.

Yes x3, it's getting very tiresome. Somehow if we are not all 100% anti Brock in every single one of our comments then we support him. And "help rapists rape". Ridiculous and over the top insulting.

Yes, he did some very bad things. He is being punished for them. Good. But there ARE other lessons here to be learned.

Don't rape.
Be careful.
Help others.

We heard you the first 10 times.

Oh really? And I bet it still sounds like I'm helping rapists rape, huh?

You just keep repeating yourself like you're saying something profound, and it's annoying me. I don't think it's profound at all; I think it's simplistic. And I don't think you get why saying "be careful" in this context is lame. Of course, everyone should be careful. You don't think the victim wishes she'd been more careful? You can't read the story without thinking, gosh, I should be more careful. But it's shitty to say it, because she paid 1000000 times over for her "carelessness." And nobody deserves what happened to her. And when you do what you're doing, which is assign guilt, you're telling every single person that reads your words that if they're raped, they should go over what they did and think about their role in it.

I'm sure rape victims already do that. In a case like this where some bad decisions were made you think we should just completely ignore those bad decisions and not try to learn from them at all? You would think rape victims would be the first to jump up and and say "Protect yourself, ladies, as best you can! There are bad people out there". Empower others to avoid these bad guys, if they can. They can't all be avoided, but if you have *some* control over a situation why wouldn't you at least try your best to reduce the risk.

If I had sons, I'm sure I'd be thinking of ways to help them be a good person and respect others. Be a Swede.

But I only have girls so I'm thinking of ways to help them avoid these bad guys.

Anyway, it has been said 70,000 times now so I'll stop. Unless the "help rapists rape" comments continue.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was she the same race as him?
Is she white?
Yes it matters. Greatly.

I don't know that it's public information. I assumed she is white. Nor do I think it matters. What do you think?

Unless he targeted her specifically because she is/is not white, her race does not matter. At All. Not everything is about race.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In fact, the accusation was "helping rapists rape."

3r here. This isnot the first time a poster has accused others of being rape supporters, victim blamers and enablers. Some of us are getting a bit tired of it.

Being told that you're "helping rapists" is also not persuasive. That accusation was made more than once this afternoon.

Yes x3, it's getting very tiresome. Somehow if we are not all 100% anti Brock in every single one of our comments then we support him. And "help rapists rape". Ridiculous and over the top insulting.

Yes, he did some very bad things. He is being punished for them. Good. But there ARE other lessons here to be learned.

Don't rape.
Be careful.
Help others.

We heard you the first 10 times.

Oh really? And I bet it still sounds like I'm helping rapists rape, huh?

You just keep repeating yourself like you're saying something profound, and it's annoying me. I don't think it's profound at all; I think it's simplistic. And I don't think you get why saying "be careful" in this context is lame. Of course, everyone should be careful. You don't think the victim wishes she'd been more careful? You can't read the story without thinking, gosh, I should be more careful. But it's shitty to say it, because she paid 1000000 times over for her "carelessness." And nobody deserves what happened to her. And when you do what you're doing, which is assign guilt, you're telling every single person that reads your words that if they're raped, they should go over what they did and think about they're role in it.

You know what? I read her story and think that I would have been severely upset and angry if I found out that some opportunistic college hook up had fingered me while I was passed out drunk.

But being passed out drunk and half naked and then being photographed like that by the police... being at the hospital and not knowing what had happened to me, getting that rape kit done, being photographed again, going through the trial, having all of that graphic evidence laid out for all to see.....that would have been way worse than the initial crime. Maybe that's just me. But I can not imagine going through that hell...

Anonymous wrote:Was she the same race as him?
Is she white?
Yes it matters. Greatly.

I don't know that it's public information. I assumed she is white. Nor do I think it matters. What do you think?

Anonymous wrote:Was she the same race as him?
Is she white?
Yes it matters. Greatly.

is EVERYTHING a race issue for you? zzzzzzzz

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Anonymous wrote:this case is not black and white.actually it might be

was she hooking up with him, 2nd base, 3rd base, before she passed out?no

did he know that she had passed out during the hook up?he had to have known or should've known. Two strangers could tell

they were both EXTREMELY wasted.except he wasn't unconscious

and of course his father will try to defend him.

yup

I think this unbolded/bolded post explains why he was convicted (bolded) and why he was sentenced as he was (unbolded). I agree with both posts and agree with the conviction and the sentence.

if true, then I agree. But I had read that he was kissing her at the party?

Was she the same race as him?
Is she white?
Yes it matters. Greatly.