Anonymous wrote:The more footage of Karl that I see, the more I hate her. She thinks she's SOOOOOO in the right. She's conVINCED. And yet she's wrong. Three children with three different fathers and she doesn't see how anything could POSSIBLY be her fault? Karl is completely delusional about her responsibility. And her ass implants look awful. Poor, poor Isaac. He kept crying because he missed Javi and was overwhelmed at Linc going off with Javi while Isaac barely got to see him, and Karl just kept yelling "Why are you sad?! You'll see Lincoln in a week!" But Isaac didn't have the words to say he missed and wanted Javi. Poor kid. And what kind of person won't even give the father of their child some water?

Janelle is a hot mess. She takes terrible care of her kids. She's like Leah, in that I wouldn't be surprised if a child died in her care.

Leah - how the HELL did she get into a real college?! Well good for her. I am a little confused as to how she'll have the stamina for a 2 yr degree (let alone 4 yr) when she was intimidated at the idea of a cosmetology program slightly longer than a year.

There's nothing to say about Chelsea. She's happy, she's stable. She's with a man who doesn't live off her MTV money.

Kail is horrible. Glad she finally admitted to cheating. She is so proud that she's a horrible person. "Sometimes you have to hurt others to make yourself happy." She is a true narcissist.

BUT Javi! GET IT TOGETHER DUDE! He needed some major counseling on how to deal with someone as horrible as her and to not react to it.

I'm also disappointed that Jo let Kail manipulate him. Again. Thank god for Vee.

Jenelle is just a horrible horrible horrible human being. I so wish they would kick her off the show and keep Babs. Watching the clip about the reunion where she throws yet another tantrum (7 reunions, 7 tantrums?) was gross. These producers must be paid A LOT of money to deal with Jenelle, Kail, and Farrah.

The more footage of Karl that I see, the more I hate her. She thinks she's SOOOOOO in the right. She's conVINCED. And yet she's wrong. Three children with three different fathers and she doesn't see how anything could POSSIBLY be her fault? Karl is completely delusional about her responsibility. And her ass implants look awful. Poor, poor Isaac. He kept crying because he missed Javi and was overwhelmed at Linc going off with Javi while Isaac barely got to see him, and Karl just kept yelling "Why are you sad?! You'll see Lincoln in a week!" But Isaac didn't have the words to say he missed and wanted Javi. Poor kid. And what kind of person won't even give the father of their child some water?

Janelle is a hot mess. She takes terrible care of her kids. She's like Leah, in that I wouldn't be surprised if a child died in her care.

Leah - how the HELL did she get into a real college?! Well good for her. I am a little confused as to how she'll have the stamina for a 2 yr degree (let alone 4 yr) when she was intimidated at the idea of a cosmetology program slightly longer than a year.

There's nothing to say about Chelsea. She's happy, she's stable. She's with a man who doesn't live off her MTV money.

Anonymous wrote:This is not a drill--Javi is in DC right now to see Paw Patrol at the National.

I'm way to old for this to be exciting, but... how cool!

I'd love to run into him, though, I'd never say anything.

Anonymous wrote:Lol, we were just there! My son's head almost exploded with excitement. He's a huge Paw Patrol fan.

We're going tomorrow. I don't know how I would've reacted if I had seen them there. I'd hate to say something and make any of them feel famous.

How was the show?? My 4- and 5-year-old aren't going to be able to sleep tonight, they're so excited.

Lol, we were just there! My son's head almost exploded with excitement. He's a huge Paw Patrol fan.

This is not a drill--Javi is in DC right now to see Paw Patrol at the National.

Just watched the latest episode.

Jenelle and Barbara: I don't know who to blame there. They are so toxic. They feed off of each others fire. They SHOULD NOT film together. And poor Jace, you can tell he senses the conflict and he LOVES his Meme. I do not think he deserves to be with Jenelle. I think Barb and Jenelle deserve restraining orders! I agree with Barb that you can't jut uproot his little life at 7-8 years old.

Anonymous wrote:It just really makes me sad Janelle will never ever thank someone for raising her child. It is a HUGE undertaking and Barb has done it really well and she will never ever be thanked or appreciated…she will just be abused and walked all over. She isn't young, she wasn't planning on starting over, but she did and she's in it and she's trying to make it work. It must be hard for her having to leave the other now 2 kids with Janelle and whatever man.

I was about to post the same thing. She acts like her mom took Jace away from her. She has matured some but I really think she needs to watch the old episodes where she was out partying and getting high while her mother took care of her baby.

Anonymous wrote:It just really makes me sad Janelle will never ever thank someone for raising her child. It is a HUGE undertaking and Barb has done it really well and she will never ever be thanked or appreciated…she will just be abused and walked all over. She isn't young, she wasn't planning on starting over, but she did and she's in it and she's trying to make it work. It must be hard for her having to leave the other now 2 kids with Janelle and whatever man.

I know. It kills me also. She acts like Barb stole him from her and won't give him back. But Barb and Jace seem very happy together and they love each other very much. She did the best she could and I do think she did a great job, given the circumstances.

It just really makes me sad Janelle will never ever thank someone for raising her child. It is a HUGE undertaking and Barb has done it really well and she will never ever be thanked or appreciated…she will just be abused and walked all over. She isn't young, she wasn't planning on starting over, but she did and she's in it and she's trying to make it work. It must be hard for her having to leave the other now 2 kids with Janelle and whatever man.

^^Good analysis and I hope you are right! Their custody case case keeps getting continued so it does seem likely that soon Jace's opinion will matter. It broke my heart when Babs was crying and he jumped out of the car to hug her. That's his mom and he knows it.

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Anonymous wrote:God Jenelle is such a horrible human being. Barbara needs to refuse to allow Jace to film going forward and cut off Jenelle's gravy train.

I agree. The way Jenelle speaks to Barb is like an abuser speaks to his or her victim -- the "you make me act this way" thing she always says when she goes off on a tirade towards her mom. At least now it's on tape, so that no matter how much Jenelle appears to have gotten her life together, the judge can see that she still has a terrible, explosive temper.

I really hope this is true. I think it's pretty obvious that her "calm" demeanor that she is trying to display is heavy meds. Her true behavior is just always simmering right below the surface. I do recall though that Corey wasn't able to use footage of Leah's behavior in their custody case. Hopefully each state is different. It's not like Jenelle doesn't know she is filming and their show isn't scripted.

Corey wasn't able to use the footage because they couldn't verify that it wasn't scripted or edited, and Leah could have argued that the producers told her to act a certain way. And I totally agree with that--we know what we see isn't 100% accurate. The footage is too circumstantial to give a complete picture of whether or not Leah provides a stable home for the kids. All of her negatives could be explained away. She's a crappy mom, but she didn't curse at the girls or beat them on camera. Corey had better evidence with school records, etc. Amber got busted based on footage because she committed a crime on camera (assaulted Gary). I think if Leah assaulted someone, or did illegal drugs, or some kind of crime that was undeniable with visuals, the footage could be used to prosecute. But for a custody case, it's too gray. If she looks like she's driving high, she can say that she was just really tired and the camera didn't show how she'd been up all night caring for the girls. Or if she was taking pills, she could claim that they were prescribed to her, or it was Tylenol or something. If Corey said she wasn't using Ali's wheelchair, Leah could say that she does use it, but they only used footage from the 1 or 2 times during filming that she wasn't in it. Even stuff like feeding the girls dinner at 11pm, she could argue that they just showed the clock, but it was actually much earlier.

I think Barb might have a better shot because her point could be Jenelle's explosive temper. Screaming and cursing at somebody in front of a child is not a crime, but it does say some things about Jenelle. It wouldn't be the cornerstone of a case against her, but it could influence. I just don't even see it going that far though. Jenelle doesn't have the stamina to keep the fight up, and at some point, a judge is going to say that it's too late. Jace is 7. Pretty soon, the courts are going to start asking him what HE wants, and he'll have some kind of advocate if he doesn't already, who can speak for what's best for him. No way they're going to say that living full time with his mother and a man with a criminal record for violent offenses is what that is. They're not deciding whether to remove Jace from Jenelle's custody; they're deciding whether he should be removed from Barb's custody. I think Jenelle not only has to prove that she is a good stable home, but that Barb's place isn't.

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Anonymous wrote:God Jenelle is such a horrible human being. Barbara needs to refuse to allow Jace to film going forward and cut off Jenelle's gravy train.

I agree. The way Jenelle speaks to Barb is like an abuser speaks to his or her victim -- the "you make me act this way" thing she always says when she goes off on a tirade towards her mom. At least now it's on tape, so that no matter how much Jenelle appears to have gotten her life together, the judge can see that she still has a terrible, explosive temper.

I really hope this is true. I think it's pretty obvious that her "calm" demeanor that she is trying to display is heavy meds. Her true behavior is just always simmering right below the surface. I do recall though that Corey wasn't able to use footage of Leah's behavior in their custody case. Hopefully each state is different. It's not like Jenelle doesn't know she is filming and their show isn't scripted.

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Anonymous wrote:She seemed overly interested in Javi's benefits from the military to me.

+1 I felt as if she almost pushed him into joining up just so she could have benefits. Then she was ticked off when he went away for training and was ultimately deployed. What did she expect?! She irritates me to no end.

She was THRILLED when he found out he was going to be deployed. Remember how he was all upset and she kept saying that he would get to meet interesting people. He even brought up that she didn't seem too concerned and her response was something lame about how it hadn't sunk in yet. She loved it while he was gone, especially since they were actually already done. His mom took care of the kids and house and Kail was free.

But yeah, she made a big deal about how Isaac could be on his insurance if they were married, so that's what they did.

Anonymous wrote:God Jenelle is such a horrible human being. Barbara needs to refuse to allow Jace to film going forward and cut off Jenelle's gravy train.

I agree. The way Jenelle speaks to Barb is like an abuser speaks to his or her victim -- the "you make me act this way" thing she always says when she goes off on a tirade towards her mom. At least now it's on tape, so that no matter how much Jenelle appears to have gotten her life together, the judge can see that she still has a terrible, explosive temper.