Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
You are incorrect. I would suggest you look this up if you are a teacher. You cannot tell a parent, for instance, that your kid potentially has ADHD. You have to bring it up to the school psychologist, who can then observe and contact the parent if they feel there is an issue. A teacher can tell a parent that they've observed Johnny getting out of his seat frequently, or that Johnny's handwriting is not up to par with other kids in the class, but CANNOT make a potential diagnosis of any kind.
I am well versed in what I may say or not say to a parent. You bet if his or her child were frequently vomiting at the thought of doing homework that might be confusing, I would suggest the child be evaluated for a learning difficulty.
Good luck with that. It was an interesting exercise in learning for a teacher who told my husband and I to have our son evaluated for Aspergers because he would not look her in the eye when she was correcting him.
She learned damn fast what was legal and what wasn't. And for the record? She was laughed at by the professionals I spoke to. That child is now 19 and has absolutely NO signs of Aspergers. He does, however, have specific memories of this teacher being a generally nasty person.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
These are the ONLY schools using the Core Knowledge Curriculum you speak of in New York State, according to the Core Knowledge website. This is HARDLY every school in NY State:
Nope. See what I posted earlier. The New York State ELA Curriculum, at least for grades K-12, incorporates Core Knowledge in its domains.
You didn't notice the COMMON CORE part, or deliberately ignored it.
And for the record? You said that the Core Knowledge curriculum was in use in NY before common core was introduced, that it was older than common core. So what's new is the introduction of common core and common core materials. But you insist on blaming the old curriculum? That seems....odd.....
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here: from the NYS website
http://www.engageny.org/english-language-arts
New York State ELA Curriculum for Grades Pre-K-2
The New York State ELA Curriculum for grades Pre-K-2 is made up of three components: the Listening and Learning strand and Skills strand (from the Core Knowledge Language Arts-New York Edition) and Guided Reading and Accountable Independent Reading.
The Listening and Learning strand lessons, comprised of teacher read-alouds, class discussion, vocabulary work, and extension activities, build on the research finding that students’ listening comprehension outpaces their reading comprehension throughout elementary school. These read-alouds and exercises are organized in 11 to 12 domains (units) per grade. Each domain is dedicated to a particular topic, and the class stays focused on that topic or theme for 10 to 15 days of instruction. The domains build on each other within and across grades.
The domains are INTENSE.
Link to the second grade domains here
http://www.engageny.org/resource/grade-2-english-language-arts-listening-and-learning-strand
Ask your relatives in NYS to look at the link I posted, and to explain to you the difference between Common Core State Standards in ELA, and the Core Knowledge Domains.
Did you notice on your link the following:
Select a domain on the left to view the materials for that domain.
Created on:
Monday, April 1, 2013
Grade:
Elementary and Second Grade
Subject:
English Language Arts
Topic:
Common Core Learning Standards
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
These are the ONLY schools using the Core Knowledge Curriculum you speak of in New York State, according to the Core Knowledge website. This is HARDLY every school in NY State:
Nope. See what I posted earlier. The New York State ELA Curriculum, at least for grades K-12, incorporates Core Knowledge in its domains.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
You are incorrect. I would suggest you look this up if you are a teacher. You cannot tell a parent, for instance, that your kid potentially has ADHD. You have to bring it up to the school psychologist, who can then observe and contact the parent if they feel there is an issue. A teacher can tell a parent that they've observed Johnny getting out of his seat frequently, or that Johnny's handwriting is not up to par with other kids in the class, but CANNOT make a potential diagnosis of any kind.
I am well versed in what I may say or not say to a parent. You bet if his or her child were frequently vomiting at the thought of doing homework that might be confusing, I would suggest the child be evaluated for a learning difficulty.
Anonymous wrote:Here: from the NYS website
http://www.engageny.org/english-language-arts
New York State ELA Curriculum for Grades Pre-K-2
The New York State ELA Curriculum for grades Pre-K-2 is made up of three components: the Listening and Learning strand and Skills strand (from the Core Knowledge Language Arts-New York Edition) and Guided Reading and Accountable Independent Reading.
The Listening and Learning strand lessons, comprised of teacher read-alouds, class discussion, vocabulary work, and extension activities, build on the research finding that students’ listening comprehension outpaces their reading comprehension throughout elementary school. These read-alouds and exercises are organized in 11 to 12 domains (units) per grade. Each domain is dedicated to a particular topic, and the class stays focused on that topic or theme for 10 to 15 days of instruction. The domains build on each other within and across grades.
The domains are INTENSE.
Link to the second grade domains here
http://www.engageny.org/resource/grade-2-english-language-arts-listening-and-learning-strand
Ask your relatives in NYS to look at the link I posted, and to explain to you the difference between Common Core State Standards in ELA, and the Core Knowledge Domains.
Anonymous wrote:
You are incorrect. I would suggest you look this up if you are a teacher. You cannot tell a parent, for instance, that your kid potentially has ADHD. You have to bring it up to the school psychologist, who can then observe and contact the parent if they feel there is an issue. A teacher can tell a parent that they've observed Johnny getting out of his seat frequently, or that Johnny's handwriting is not up to par with other kids in the class, but CANNOT make a potential diagnosis of any kind.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
These are the ONLY schools using the Core Knowledge Curriculum you speak of in New York State, according to the Core Knowledge website. This is HARDLY every school in NY State:
Nope. See what I posted earlier. The New York State ELA Curriculum, at least for grades K-12, incorporates Core Knowledge in its domains.
Anonymous wrote:
These are the ONLY schools using the Core Knowledge Curriculum you speak of in New York State, according to the Core Knowledge website. This is HARDLY every school in NY State:
New York State ELA Curriculum for Grades Pre-K-2
The New York State ELA Curriculum for grades Pre-K-2 is made up of three components: the Listening and Learning strand and Skills strand (from the Core Knowledge Language Arts-New York Edition) and Guided Reading and Accountable Independent Reading.
The Listening and Learning strand lessons, comprised of teacher read-alouds, class discussion, vocabulary work, and extension activities, build on the research finding that students’ listening comprehension outpaces their reading comprehension throughout elementary school. These read-alouds and exercises are organized in 11 to 12 domains (units) per grade. Each domain is dedicated to a particular topic, and the class stays focused on that topic or theme for 10 to 15 days of instruction. The domains build on each other within and across grades.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
For all I know, you could be a flaming witch to the kids when they come in without their homework done, and my kid knows this, so melts down because he/she knows it's big trouble when the erroneous worksheet could not be completed nor understood. Amazing how you put these errors onto the kids, as in, well, I made a mistake and don't really care how it affects my students. Glad you have such a caring demeanor.
Well, I usually don't make mistakes on any worksheets I send home with kids. And I would never want a child to be stressed out about homework. It's just homework! I also don't want kids to be stressed out about tests. I do in fact have to make my ESOL students take tests that they cannot possibly pass. Every year I have beginner ESOL students who cannot read or write a word of English, who have to sit and pretend to take the test of English Language Proficiency. Somehow, they all manage to get through it just fine, with laughs and "oh wells" and even some peppermints, treats like stickers, pencils and extra recess.
We can help develop kids' resiliency through modeling how we approach difficult or challenging situations.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Of course, frequent errors, or poor pedagogy, should be addressed; and homework should be a review of concepts learned, not left to the parents to explain to the child. But if a few minor mistakes are leading your child to melt down in frustration, your child probably has some learning issues going on that should be checked out.[/quote]
A parent should not have to explain a darn thing to the child if you are doing your job right, i.e. not sending home error-ridden worksheets. By the way? The bolded? That's illegal for you to say to a parent as a teacher. I suggest you never say that to a parent of a child you teach. You are not a doctor, you are a teacher. You are not a psychologist, you are a teacher. You don't get to diagnose; you are not trained to do so. Learn your place.
Sorry, a teacher has every legal right, indeed has a moral responsibility, to suggest to a parent that his or her child has a learning issue that should be investigated. A possible learning problem is not a medical diagnosis. It is a teacher's place indeed to bring this concern up to a parent or to a school referral team!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:From http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/05/02/6-reasons-to-reject-common-core-k-3-standards-and-6-axioms-to-guide-policy/
As a teacher for 24 years who has spent her entire career teaching inner city youth, all I can say is YES! The standards are inappropriate for young children. Today was the last day of NYS math tests, and I had to supervise lovely, bright, hard-working students who were crying, sitting in fetal positions, asking me questions I was not allowed to answer, and two of them ended up in the nurse's office throwing up. The ELA test was entirely appropriate for 5th graders, not the third graders who endured 3 1/2 hours of it without the slightest chance of understanding it. The first two days of the math test were fair, full of questions that third graders can understand and reasonably answer. That was not the case today. All of the adults had trouble answering a number of the questions. Each question required 2 or 3 different computations and a level of math comprehension well beyond what a child this age could truly be expected to answer. Why are people with no credentials in these areas creating the standards, curriculum and testing? If this was any other field, there would be an uproar. Imagine if elementary teachers were creating standards for lawyers, if doctors created the standards for bankers, if politicians created the standards for medical care? Would it be acceptable? We are losing a generation of children to nonsense. It should be intolerable for everyone.
New York State. Not Common Core state Standards. New York State.
From NY State's website:
Curriculum Supports for the Common Core
NYC is among the first large urban school districts in the nation to recommend new high-quality Core Curriculum materials, with ELL supports, for grades K- 8 in ELA and math that align to the Common Core Learning Standards (CCLS) and promote the instructional shifts. NYC is working to provide high school supports in ELA and math.
The below FAQs offer guidance to support educators in implementing the Core Curriculum:
FAQ: Pearson’s ReadyGen
FAQ: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt’s Go Math!
FAQ: Scholastic’s Code X
FAQ: Pearson’s Connected Math Program 3
Sure as hell sounds like they are using common core curriculum materials, not NY State ones.
Nice try.
NY has combined 2 things into 1. One is the Core Knowledge Curriculum which was written well before Common Core and goes beyond Common Core in that it includes other subjects. The other is that they have now adopted Common Core Standards. Both initiatives have the word Core in them, but they are two separate things. The reference to "Core Curriculum" above is a reference to NYS's Core Knowledge based curriculum.
Pretty much every text book manufacturer has come with new versions of their textbooks that they claim are aligned with the Common Core. The good ones that people love, and the ones that people hate have both done this. Common Core doesn't "approve" standards. It is the responsibility of the State or Local Education Authority to review the text books and see if they match with what they hope to accomplish. These are materials that NY State has chosen and purchased.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:From http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/05/02/6-reasons-to-reject-common-core-k-3-standards-and-6-axioms-to-guide-policy/
As a teacher for 24 years who has spent her entire career teaching inner city youth, all I can say is YES! The standards are inappropriate for young children. Today was the last day of NYS math tests, and I had to supervise lovely, bright, hard-working students who were crying, sitting in fetal positions, asking me questions I was not allowed to answer, and two of them ended up in the nurse's office throwing up. The ELA test was entirely appropriate for 5th graders, not the third graders who endured 3 1/2 hours of it without the slightest chance of understanding it. The first two days of the math test were fair, full of questions that third graders can understand and reasonably answer. That was not the case today. All of the adults had trouble answering a number of the questions. Each question required 2 or 3 different computations and a level of math comprehension well beyond what a child this age could truly be expected to answer. Why are people with no credentials in these areas creating the standards, curriculum and testing? If this was any other field, there would be an uproar. Imagine if elementary teachers were creating standards for lawyers, if doctors created the standards for bankers, if politicians created the standards for medical care? Would it be acceptable? We are losing a generation of children to nonsense. It should be intolerable for everyone.
New York State. Not Common Core state Standards. New York State.
From NY State's website:
Curriculum Supports for the Common Core
NYC is among the first large urban school districts in the nation to recommend new high-quality Core Curriculum materials, with ELL supports, for grades K- 8 in ELA and math that align to the Common Core Learning Standards (CCLS) and promote the instructional shifts. NYC is working to provide high school supports in ELA and math.
The below FAQs offer guidance to support educators in implementing the Core Curriculum:
FAQ: Pearson’s ReadyGen
FAQ: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt’s Go Math!
FAQ: Scholastic’s Code X
FAQ: Pearson’s Connected Math Program 3
Sure as hell sounds like they are using common core curriculum materials, not NY State ones.
Nice try.
NY has combined 2 things into 1. One is the Core Knowledge Curriculum which was written well before Common Core and goes beyond Common Core in that it includes other subjects. The other is that they have now adopted Common Core Standards. Both initiatives have the word Core in them, but they are two separate things. The reference to "Core Curriculum" above is a reference to NYS's Core Knowledge based curriculum.
Pretty much every text book manufacturer has come with new versions of their textbooks that they claim are aligned with the Common Core. The good ones that people love, and the ones that people hate have both done this. Common Core doesn't "approve" standards. It is the responsibility of the State or Local Education Authority to review the text books and see if they match with what they hope to accomplish. These are materials that NY State has chosen and purchased.
These books were specifically aligned with Common Core. The books are aligned with the standards, according to the NY website. Those are the facts. You can twist those facts any way you choose, but the facts are there. You are incorrect in your assumption that they are speaking of two different things. I know you REALLY want it to be that, but it's simply not. I know many teachers in NY (I have family there) and they are quite emphatic about the fact that what you are saying is incorrect.
Anonymous wrote:e=Anonymous]Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:From http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/05/02/6-reasons-to-reject-common-core-k-3-standards-and-6-axioms-to-guide-policy/
As a teacher for 24 years who has spent her entire career teaching inner city youth, all I can say is YES! The standards are inappropriate for young children. Today was the last day of NYS math tests, and I had to supervise lovely, bright, hard-working students who were crying, sitting in fetal positions, asking me questions I was not allowed to answer, and two of them ended up in the nurse's office throwing up. The ELA test was entirely appropriate for 5th graders, not the third graders who endured 3 1/2 hours of it without the slightest chance of understanding it. The first two days of the math test were fair, full of questions that third graders can understand and reasonably answer. That was not the case today. All of the adults had trouble answering a number of the questions. Each question required 2 or 3 different computations and a level of math comprehension well beyond what a child this age could truly be expected to answer. Why are people with no credentials in these areas creating the standards, curriculum and testing? If this was any other field, there would be an uproar. Imagine if elementary teachers were creating standards for lawyers, if doctors created the standards for bankers, if politicians created the standards for medical care? Would it be acceptable? We are losing a generation of children to nonsense. It should be intolerable for everyone.
New York State. Not Common Core state Standards. New York State.
From NY State's website:
Curriculum Supports for the Common Core
NYC is among the first large urban school districts in the nation to recommend new high-quality Core Curriculum materials, with ELL supports, for grades K- 8 in ELA and math that align to the Common Core Learning Standards (CCLS) and promote the instructional shifts. NYC is working to provide high school supports in ELA and math.
The below FAQs offer guidance to support educators in implementing the Core Curriculum:
FAQ: Pearson’s ReadyGen
FAQ: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt’s Go Math!
FAQ: Scholastic’s Code X
FAQ: Pearson’s Connected Math Program 3
Sure as hell sounds like they are using common core curriculum materials, not NY State ones.
Nice try.
NY has combined 2 things into 1. One is the Core Knowledge Curriculum which was written well before Common Core and goes beyond Common Core in that it includes other subjects. The other is that they have now adopted Common Core Standards. Both initiatives have the word Core in them, but they are two separate things. The reference to "Core Curriculum" above is a reference to NYS's Core Knowledge based curriculum.
Pretty much every text book manufacturer has come with new versions of their textbooks that they claim are aligned with the Common Core. The good ones that people love, and the ones that people hate have both done this. Common Core doesn't "approve" standards. It is the responsibility of the State or Local Education Authority to review the text books and see if they match with what they hope to accomplish. These are materials that NY State has chosen and purchased.