I wonder if your response to the Langdon situation depends on whether you've ever had a family member or loved one who is an addict. I do, and find some of the comments praising and defending him to be too much. I don't think he's a terrible person and yes, addiction is a disease. But it's not a get out of jail free card -- Langdon is still responsible for his behavior, including stealing meds and lying to Robby and gaslighting and screaming at Santos. It's odd to me that people are so mad at Santos and Robby for holding Langdon's own behavior against him. That's how it works.

Also, as someone who has two immediate families who have been through rehab: rehab is the easy part. Everyone in rehab is there to support and help you. When you get to real life, no one has that obligation. They might decide to help, but they might not. Sometimes the breach of trust is too great and some people will not be able to support you or help you the way you hope. That's hard to accept but it's the truth. People have their own demons to face and no one's life halts to facilitate your recovery. At the end of the day, it's up to you. I hope Langdon figures it out but I don't think anyone at work owes him anymore than they are giving him.

Anonymous wrote:The way Al-Hashimi gets on Langdon's ass when she learns the circumstances of how he got sent to rehab, though.

Her reaction when talking to Robby was enormously validating. I was like, “This is what I’ve been saying!!”

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Anonymous wrote:The way Al-Hashimi gets on Langdon's ass when she learns the circumstances of how he got sent to rehab, though.

Yeah I didn’t like that.

Uh, why not? She just found out that he has a history stealing drugs, and she now knows that he was dishonest with her when she asked him why Santos doesn't like him. Of course she's now on his ass -- he has proven himself to be untrustworthy. He should have been more forthcoming with her.

Because I love Langdon and it’s just a TV show. Chill out.

Don't share your opinion if you aren't comfortable with people disagreeing.

It defies logic to expect Al-Hashimi to just instantly forgive Langdon for committing a felony and lying just because you think Patrick Ball is hot and charming.

Just because I don’t like it doesn’t mean I don’t understand where she was coming from. I didn’t say I expected her to “forgive” him. There’s nothing for her to forgive anyway. She wasn’t there when it happened. She shouldn’t be changing how she treats the staff. She needs to remain professional.

She was there when he lied to her about why there is tension between him and Santos.

Nothing she did was unprofessional. She went from cool but friendly to cool but cold. It's a subtle shift only he noticed.

I don’t see why he would have to explain his whole situation while he’s working when it’s literally her first day and he doesn’t know her. Why would he get into the specifics about his past and his interactions with Santos? It’s not the right time.

By that token, why should she have to treat him exactly the same after she found out he stole drugs from the hospital and that the reason there is tension with Santos is because she is the one who found out and reported him, as she did before?

The expectation that everyone has to love and make big moony eyes at Langdon because... reasons is so weird to me. He's an addict who stole and lied, and when he got caught, his first instinct was to gaslight his accuser and try to get her fired. Yes in other settings he's nice and likable, but I none of that counterbalances his behavior with regards to his addiction and stealing.

Because it happened almost a year ago, she’s new, and doesn’t know the whole story. And because she must remain professional at work and not take sides.

Also, someone made the decision to allow Langdon back. People have to live with it — they can be angry, but they still have to figure out how to live with that decision.

I don't actually know if that applies to Al-Hashimi. She's an attending. She has more agency than most people on staff do. Not sure she actually would have to just live with the situation, especially now that she knows he stole meds. Attendings have some hire/fire leeway, especially given her demonstrated ability to manage up to hospital administration, who historically has issues with Robby. If she came in and said "this department is a mess, we need to replace Langdon" I think she could probably make that happen -- the main obstacle would be finding a senior resident willing to move into this program at this late date. But she could probably get him booted to night shift at a minimum.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t disagree that what Langdon did was awful but for me, the way the writers have written his character has made me more empathetic to him than Santos.

They’ve spent too much time hinting at a troubled background for her and by the time the reveal her history, I won’t care anymore. They haven’t written her as likable with anyone, not just Langdon. Even with the charting storyline, the others in her class have gotten theirs done so no sympathy for her for being behind.

There isn't anyone else in Santos' "class" on staff. She's the only R2. It's the toughest year of residency -- interns get some extra help in learning the ropes and don't have as many patients, but R2s are assumed to have it figured out and will not only be expected to carry a full slate of patients but will also be expected to cover and support more senior residents with their patients, as we see when Mel (an R3) has to leave for a deposition and all of her patients are given to Santos to cover. Notice that Whitaker, an intern/R1, isn't asked to cover any of Mel's patients. That's pretty typical and is one of many reasons the R2 year is notorious for being pretty awful. But R3 you have figured out how to keep up with the workload PLUS you have more people working below you which you can use to your advantage.

Also in the first episode the reveal Santos is working a double shift, I think the only one doing so.

She's just having a really bad work day and I think does deserve sympathy just like any of them do.

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Anonymous wrote:The way Al-Hashimi gets on Langdon's ass when she learns the circumstances of how he got sent to rehab, though.

Yeah I didn’t like that.

Uh, why not? She just found out that he has a history stealing drugs, and she now knows that he was dishonest with her when she asked him why Santos doesn't like him. Of course she's now on his ass -- he has proven himself to be untrustworthy. He should have been more forthcoming with her.

Because I love Langdon and it’s just a TV show. Chill out.

Don't share your opinion if you aren't comfortable with people disagreeing.

It defies logic to expect Al-Hashimi to just instantly forgive Langdon for committing a felony and lying just because you think Patrick Ball is hot and charming.

Just because I don’t like it doesn’t mean I don’t understand where she was coming from. I didn’t say I expected her to “forgive” him. There’s nothing for her to forgive anyway. She wasn’t there when it happened. She shouldn’t be changing how she treats the staff. She needs to remain professional.

She was there when he lied to her about why there is tension between him and Santos.

Nothing she did was unprofessional. She went from cool but friendly to cool but cold. It's a subtle shift only he noticed.

I don’t see why he would have to explain his whole situation while he’s working when it’s literally her first day and he doesn’t know her. Why would he get into the specifics about his past and his interactions with Santos? It’s not the right time.

By that token, why should she have to treat him exactly the same after she found out he stole drugs from the hospital and that the reason there is tension with Santos is because she is the one who found out and reported him, as she did before?

The expectation that everyone has to love and make big moony eyes at Langdon because... reasons is so weird to me. He's an addict who stole and lied, and when he got caught, his first instinct was to gaslight his accuser and try to get her fired. Yes in other settings he's nice and likable, but I none of that counterbalances his behavior with regards to his addiction and stealing.

Because it happened almost a year ago, she’s new, and doesn’t know the whole story. And because she must remain professional at work and not take sides.

Also, someone made the decision to allow Langdon back. People have to live with it — they can be angry, but they still have to figure out how to live with that decision.

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Anonymous wrote:The way Al-Hashimi gets on Langdon's ass when she learns the circumstances of how he got sent to rehab, though.

Yeah I didn’t like that.

Uh, why not? She just found out that he has a history stealing drugs, and she now knows that he was dishonest with her when she asked him why Santos doesn't like him. Of course she's now on his ass -- he has proven himself to be untrustworthy. He should have been more forthcoming with her.

Because I love Langdon and it’s just a TV show. Chill out.

Don't share your opinion if you aren't comfortable with people disagreeing.

It defies logic to expect Al-Hashimi to just instantly forgive Langdon for committing a felony and lying just because you think Patrick Ball is hot and charming.

I recognize you. You’re the poster from Season 1 who accused someone of wanting Dr. Collins to lose their baby and of being racist. You have trouble distinguishing the show from reality.

I don’t know anything about Patrick Ball. I like Langdon and didn’t like Al Hashimi’s treatment of him after she found out. Don’t read too much into it. It’s just a show.

Nope, not me. Again, you don't get to tell other posters when they are allowed to have opinions on your posts. If it's posted, it's up for debate.

You’re conflating me not liking it to not understanding why she’s doing it. And those are two very different things.

They are clearly related. If you understand why her attitude towards Langdon changed, why would you dislike it? It's understandable.

Langdon does not deserve infinite benefit of the doubt. In fact his back is currently hurting and it’s his first day back at work, for all we know he's going to relapse.

Seriously?? Just like I can understand why Santos acts the way she does, but I don’t like her.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t disagree that what Langdon did was awful but for me, the way the writers have written his character has made me more empathetic to him than Santos.

They’ve spent too much time hinting at a troubled background for her and by the time the reveal her history, I won’t care anymore. They haven’t written her as likable with anyone, not just Langdon. Even with the charting storyline, the others in her class have gotten theirs done so no sympathy for her for being behind.

I guess I am an outlier, but I like Santos. I like her relationship with Whitaker and find her likeable in that context. She seems vulnerable when with Garcia. She seems direct (and amusing to me) in most other contexts, except that stupid charting storyline, she just seems whiny there.

I have sympathy for Langdon, and see positives to him especially his interactions with Mel and her sister, but like some others have said, he doesn’t seem to have fully owned up to his mistakes, so I do question how he will go with his recovery.

This is exactly how I feel and don't understand why it's often framed as Santos v. langdon and you have to pick one? I find them both sympathetic but flawed and am rooting for both. I think Santos is more correct in terms of their conflict simply because Langdon was wrong to steal meds and lie about it. But he is clearly a good doctor and wants to do better. I appreciate Santos' ambition and sense of justice. I hope there is some reconciliation between them.

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Anonymous wrote:Less Ogilvie made the latest episode better, IMO!

I actually like him - he’s sort of comic relief. I think he’s going to have a good character arc.

I don’t get why everyone swoons over Joy? Her monotone voice and ladies back attitude and that nose ring annoy me. She’s trying way too hard to be cool.

Should be “laid”

Anonymous wrote:Less Ogilvie made the latest episode better, IMO!

I actually like him - he’s sort of comic relief. I think he’s going to have a good character arc.

I don’t get why everyone swoons over Joy? Her monotone voice and ladies back attitude and that nose ring annoy me. She’s trying way too hard to be cool.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t disagree that what Langdon did was awful but for me, the way the writers have written his character has made me more empathetic to him than Santos.

They’ve spent too much time hinting at a troubled background for her and by the time the reveal her history, I won’t care anymore. They haven’t written her as likable with anyone, not just Langdon. Even with the charting storyline, the others in her class have gotten theirs done so no sympathy for her for being behind.

+1 I am rooting for Dr. Langdon too.

Less Ogilvie made the latest episode better, IMO!

Anonymous wrote:I don’t disagree that what Langdon did was awful but for me, the way the writers have written his character has made me more empathetic to him than Santos.

They’ve spent too much time hinting at a troubled background for her and by the time the reveal her history, I won’t care anymore. They haven’t written her as likable with anyone, not just Langdon. Even with the charting storyline, the others in her class have gotten theirs done so no sympathy for her for being behind.

I guess I am an outlier, but I like Santos. I like her relationship with Whitaker and find her likeable in that context. She seems vulnerable when with Garcia. She seems direct (and amusing to me) in most other contexts, except that stupid charting storyline, she just seems whiny there.

I have sympathy for Langdon, and see positives to him especially his interactions with Mel and her sister, but like some others have said, he doesn’t seem to have fully owned up to his mistakes, so I do question how he will go with his recovery.

I don’t disagree that what Langdon did was awful but for me, the way the writers have written his character has made me more empathetic to him than Santos.

They’ve spent too much time hinting at a troubled background for her and by the time the reveal her history, I won’t care anymore. They haven’t written her as likable with anyone, not just Langdon. Even with the charting storyline, the others in her class have gotten theirs done so no sympathy for her for being behind.

Anonymous wrote:There’s a thread on Reddit that discusses the clever naming of characters. The three main attending doctors represent the major monotheistic religions:

Robby Robinavitch -- His last name means "son of a rabbi".

Jack Abbot -- Literally an Abbot.

Baran Al-Hashimi -- Al-Hashimi is a name that indicates descent from the same tribe as the Prophet Muhammad.

Others also have clever names.

Whitacre: white acre or white field

Ogilvie: for Ogilvy syndrome where the colon gets obstructed and poop gets backed up, hence he’s full of sh!t, or a pain in the a$$

Santos: saint (also her first name is Trinity)

I love it.

I was with you until Santos. Unless it's Opposite Day.

Whoever said Al Hashimi and Abbott were getting together was dead wrong.