Anonymous wrote:Can you please just start a single thread about MVC at Einstein and take this same argument there? You repeat it so many times and make everything about Einstein into this one single thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Also some of you seem to believe that because you have money, your kids deserve unearned advantages in their public education. Do you not think your parenting is good enough to get them ahead without hoarding extra space and programs and keeping them away from Black and Latino kids?

This is aimed at DCC parents who say they can move but choose not to bc they like the area better, right?

No, our kids attend programs with Black and Latino kids. You seem to think that they are in segregated programs in the same school? They aren't.

This is logically inconsistent, then. Your school is not segregated within the school and therefore your demand for specific classes is not taking resources from Black and Brown kids, but if it happens at the level of the school then that IS taking resources?

I mean I can't help you understand if you think only White kids in DCC schools can be academically advanced, or that wealthy schools should be given more resources than they currently have.

I can’t help it if you think there are only white kids outside of the DCC, or that specialized classes within the DCC favored by white kids should be given resources that could be used to help other kids get on grade level.

I mean there should absolutely be more resources to help kids get on grade level. If only MCPS provided effective incentives for experienced teachers to support those students. Instead they have the highest paid teachers at the wealthiest schools.

On top of that MCPS gets extra funding from the state for kids that receive FARMS and ESOL. They don't actually spend that funding on services for these students, they just add it to the general budget. In other words wealthy schools use funding allocated to MCPS based on the number of low income students.

I get it, it is contrary to your interests for parents in other schools to advocate for our children. You're using our schools' diversity to try to divide us, based on your own stereotypes and internal narratives about our schools and the kids that attend them. I see what you are doing and why. It's pretty gross though.

“advocating for our own children” is a good way of avoiding the accusation that you are hoarding resources.

Lol now you are just playing the "I know you are but what am I game" how fun

Kind of the point here.

Oooh that's right, no MCPS classes today so the elementary students are home today

You aren’t recognizing that you are doing the same thing, with the same language, that you are accusing others of. *shrug*. Unsurprised you don’t see your own hypocrisy.

Because I said "I get it, it is contrary to your interests for parents in other schools to advocate for our children. You're using our schools' diversity to try to divide us, based on your own stereotypes and internal narratives about our schools and the kids that attend them. I see what you are doing and why. It's pretty gross though."?

I can see how that might have struck a nerve with you.

DP, but why the f should I advocate for your interests? You’re not advocating for mine and just assume we’re entitled and privileged and thumb your noses at us. It’s pretty gross actually that you’d brow beat us for not being diverse, parade around the fact that you chose not to move to our neighborhoods, and then have the nerve to expect us to support you and potentially at the expense of our kids? That’s the very definition of chutzpah.

The thing is, our cluster is organized and engaged and used its considerable social capital to protect the interests of our community. I won’t make any apologies over that. That’s called self-interest. What you’re doing is the same but you’re acting like it’s not.

DP - you really are preoccupied with this idea that we’re as callous as you, but are trying to hide it. It’s bizarre.

Spoiler alert: very few people are as callous as you.

Hey look, it’s the “I’m the main character” person again. Spoiler alert: nobody cares that your DD isn’t getting into some engineering, healthcare or leadership elective program, which let’s be honest, is mostly b.s. at the middle or high school level. And let me get this straight - it’s callous when I advocate for my kid but not when you advocate for yours? It’s also callous that I don’t advocate for your kid and potentially at the expense of mine. Do I have that right?

No, you don’t have it right.

!4:07 and 14:11 spelled it out for you (thanks, PPs!).

Actually, they didn't. Just a flippant misdirection. The disparity is due to the quality of the parental support independent of the school and the student body - what's so hard to understand? This article from 2023 does a good job of teasing out the disparities including, gasp, a startling link between the % FARMs and % that did not pass a single IB or AP exam:

https://theblackandwhite.net/77000/news/new-mcps-data-highlights-continuing-disparities-among-high-schools/

Guess what? No amount of funding is going to close that gap.

And that's why you are totally cool with allocating state funding for FARMS students to all high schools regardless of FARMS rates? It's kind of cool, like a reverse Robin Hood. So rad.

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Anonymous wrote:Ignoring all the "my taxes" wackos who don't understand the point of public education, trolls and racists chiming in here, the real problem is that MCPS has not asked anyone what they actually want. Whitman wants a high SES, super white school? Great. Let them have it. I am happy to have a racially and ethnically diverse (formerly DCC) school, with undocumented (tax-paying) immigrants and super cool, interesting special programs. Stop trying to distribute the special programs equally - give the poor schools the more interesting programs and let Whitman fund its own private theater programs and soccer teams with PTSA/Booster funds.

Agree. And don’t bother doing a region with DCC schools and Whitman. It’s silly and tone death. Some of us could live and go to Whitman and choose other areas to avoid that kind of school.

+1 the people clamoring to go to Whitman do not live in the DCC

Sometimes I think the lady doth protests too much. You could’ve just left it with the fact that people generally self-segregate into similar socioeconomic groups instead of trying to take a swipe at Whitman with your weird virtue signaling. Fun fact. It’s not some badge of honor to live in a poor or lower class area and your kind of attitude usually gets met with an eye roll.

Wait, in order to not "virtue signal" I have to be striving to live somewhere other than where I currently live? I can't just be happy where I am?

Consider the Einstein MVC poster, for example. They do not seem happy.

Very happy but child isn't going to be able to graduate without enough math classes. So, what do we do about it since MCPS says its not their problem despite requiring four years of math in HS.

Your kid takes AP Stats, or any other math class.

Ok, they take stats junior year, so then what do they take senior year?

Whichever other math class they want.

Ok, but you are not answering the question. What class should they take if BC and statistics are the highest-level classes and there are no other classes to take? It will be an even bigger issue when kids cannot lottery to Blair or Wheaton and more kids at Einstein need upper-level math. What did your kids do assuming they were smart enough to go past MVC?

You didn’t get here by accident. You made a conscious choice to go outside the recommendation accelerated pathway of AIM in 6th and instead likely skipped pre-Algebra and put your child in Algebra 1 in 6th. There was no reason to do this but you did. When I looked into this for my child, I was counseled by the heads of math and AEI that my kid would not have great options at the high school level and to stick with Algebra 1 in 7th. When you push to accelerate way outside the norm, you reap what you sow.

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Anonymous wrote:Ignoring all the "my taxes" wackos who don't understand the point of public education, trolls and racists chiming in here, the real problem is that MCPS has not asked anyone what they actually want. Whitman wants a high SES, super white school? Great. Let them have it. I am happy to have a racially and ethnically diverse (formerly DCC) school, with undocumented (tax-paying) immigrants and super cool, interesting special programs. Stop trying to distribute the special programs equally - give the poor schools the more interesting programs and let Whitman fund its own private theater programs and soccer teams with PTSA/Booster funds.

Agree. And don’t bother doing a region with DCC schools and Whitman. It’s silly and tone death. Some of us could live and go to Whitman and choose other areas to avoid that kind of school.

+1 the people clamoring to go to Whitman do not live in the DCC

Sometimes I think the lady doth protests too much. You could’ve just left it with the fact that people generally self-segregate into similar socioeconomic groups instead of trying to take a swipe at Whitman with your weird virtue signaling. Fun fact. It’s not some badge of honor to live in a poor or lower class area and your kind of attitude usually gets met with an eye roll.

Wait, in order to not "virtue signal" I have to be striving to live somewhere other than where I currently live? I can't just be happy where I am?

Consider the Einstein MVC poster, for example. They do not seem happy.

Very happy but child isn't going to be able to graduate without enough math classes. So, what do we do about it since MCPS says its not their problem despite requiring four years of math in HS.

Your kid takes AP Stats, or any other math class.

Ok, they take stats junior year, so then what do they take senior year?

Whichever other math class they want.

Ok, but you are not answering the question. What class should they take if BC and statistics are the highest-level classes and there are no other classes to take? It will be an even bigger issue when kids cannot lottery to Blair or Wheaton and more kids at Einstein need upper-level math. What did your kids do assuming they were smart enough to go past MVC?

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Anonymous wrote:It opens up Whitman to those who don’t have to pay as much for real estate.

Maybe BCC families want Whitman and will be excited by this? I dunno, I'm not that familiar with those communities. But I doubt there are many DCC families who want their kids at Whitman.

Nothing negative changes for them, and they are getting more classes and resources when they already have everything.

Not everything. They need a new facility sometime soon as it's getting a bit dated. Maybe next year's foundation and PTA fundraiser can close the gap?

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Anonymous wrote:Ignoring all the "my taxes" wackos who don't understand the point of public education, trolls and racists chiming in here, the real problem is that MCPS has not asked anyone what they actually want. Whitman wants a high SES, super white school? Great. Let them have it. I am happy to have a racially and ethnically diverse (formerly DCC) school, with undocumented (tax-paying) immigrants and super cool, interesting special programs. Stop trying to distribute the special programs equally - give the poor schools the more interesting programs and let Whitman fund its own private theater programs and soccer teams with PTSA/Booster funds.

Agree. And don’t bother doing a region with DCC schools and Whitman. It’s silly and tone death. Some of us could live and go to Whitman and choose other areas to avoid that kind of school.

+1 the people clamoring to go to Whitman do not live in the DCC

Sometimes I think the lady doth protests too much. You could’ve just left it with the fact that people generally self-segregate into similar socioeconomic groups instead of trying to take a swipe at Whitman with your weird virtue signaling. Fun fact. It’s not some badge of honor to live in a poor or lower class area and your kind of attitude usually gets met with an eye roll.

Wait, in order to not "virtue signal" I have to be striving to live somewhere other than where I currently live? I can't just be happy where I am?

Consider the Einstein MVC poster, for example. They do not seem happy.

Very happy but child isn't going to be able to graduate without enough math classes. So, what do we do about it since MCPS says its not their problem despite requiring four years of math in HS.

Your kid takes AP Stats, or any other math class.

Ok, they take stats junior year, so then what do they take senior year?

Whichever other math class they want.

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Anonymous wrote:Ignoring all the "my taxes" wackos who don't understand the point of public education, trolls and racists chiming in here, the real problem is that MCPS has not asked anyone what they actually want. Whitman wants a high SES, super white school? Great. Let them have it. I am happy to have a racially and ethnically diverse (formerly DCC) school, with undocumented (tax-paying) immigrants and super cool, interesting special programs. Stop trying to distribute the special programs equally - give the poor schools the more interesting programs and let Whitman fund its own private theater programs and soccer teams with PTSA/Booster funds.

Agree. And don’t bother doing a region with DCC schools and Whitman. It’s silly and tone death. Some of us could live and go to Whitman and choose other areas to avoid that kind of school.

+1 Ithe people clamoring to go to Whitman do not live in the DCC

Sometimes I think the lady doth protests too much. You could’ve just left it with the fact that people generally self-segregate into similar socioeconomic groups instead of trying to take a swipe at Whitman with your weird virtue signaling. Fun fact. It’s not some badge of honor to live in a poor or lower class area and your kind of attitude usually gets met with an eye roll.

Wait, in order to not "virtue signal" I have to be striving to live somewhere other than where I currently live? I can't just be happy where I am?

It’s clear you’re not happy or satisfied when you need to try to make downward comparisons to wealthier area.

GMAFB, everyone who paid a premium to get their kids into a W school was making a downward comparison to other schools.

I attended Whitman and wanted a different environment for my child. We all make choices based on what we think is best for our kids. Sorry my choice makes you feel insecure about your choice.

DP from who you are responding to. The issue is wanting higher-FARMS schools to cater to minority (your) needs while saying you can afford a place that would provide you with what you want. I get that there are different aspects that go into choosing where you live, and vibe is one. You chose the vibe of where you live over the (easier) access to the things you want in schools.

The story is different for people who do not have the financial resources to access the schools with what they want.

I happen to be perfectly fine with all schools offering up to Calculus BC, which is the current situation at Einstein. That being said, I find it hilarious you want to bash all Einstein parents because of one parent who is advocating for her child. Gmafb. Being whiny and demanding is the MO of wealthy Bethesda parents. Everyone knows this and you can call me mean because I said it out loud, but trust me I am not remotely the only one who thinks this.

In most schools the kids that do Calculus BC are the minority. Like I said I attended Whitman and guess what, most of the kids were not advanced in math.

Just like kids from high income families, kids from low income families can be academically behind, on grade level or advanced. Geography should not determine opportunity.

I did not bash all Einstein or even all DCC posters, just the ones who profess to being able to afford something better but not paying it bc they want the poorer schools to cater to them. If you do not fall in this category it wasn’t about you.

DP - you’re projecting. Very few, if any, DCC parents want to be catered do. That’s a you problem.

The 16 threads freaking out about the regional programming and the end of the DCC suggest otherwise.

We aren’t asking to be catered to. We’re asking not to be robbed.

The MCPS proposal changes most DCC programs from consortia-wide enrollment to local enrollment by removing school choice. It’s a downgrade in participation, which will lead to staff cuts and fewer electives.

At the same, time MCPS is handing new resources and programs to high-performing schools and saying, “Look! We ruined the great program at your school but if you’re very lucky, you can get one of 15 magnet spots at Whitman! Your bus leaves from the school we broke. Don’t be late.”

You know that these electives certainly haven’t made them well performing schools and perhaps MCPS is acknowledging that it’s not working for most parents. Sometimes the truth hurts.

Call me when MCPS decides to cut the music program at your kids’ school in half and replace it with a teacher academy that was phased out for lack of interest.

Or are your kids too busy learning math they’ll never use to care about electives?

Einstein already has a minimal music program compared to other schools, and the teachers are stretched thin. They weren't even allowed to offer AP music theory. I don't see what they can cut from the already bare bones, stretched-thin music program. They could easily use 2-3 more teachers and could fill the classes.

Who cares? AP music theory is a joke. Go to some overpriced conservatory for college if that's your thing and pray you find any decent paying job in music post-grade. This isn't going to move the educational needle, nor something anyone should get in a tizzy about.

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Anonymous wrote:Also some of you seem to believe that because you have money, your kids deserve unearned advantages in their public education. Do you not think your parenting is good enough to get them ahead without hoarding extra space and programs and keeping them away from Black and Latino kids?

This is aimed at DCC parents who say they can move but choose not to bc they like the area better, right?

No, our kids attend programs with Black and Latino kids. You seem to think that they are in segregated programs in the same school? They aren't.

This is logically inconsistent, then. Your school is not segregated within the school and therefore your demand for specific classes is not taking resources from Black and Brown kids, but if it happens at the level of the school then that IS taking resources?

I mean I can't help you understand if you think only White kids in DCC schools can be academically advanced, or that wealthy schools should be given more resources than they currently have.

I can’t help it if you think there are only white kids outside of the DCC, or that specialized classes within the DCC favored by white kids should be given resources that could be used to help other kids get on grade level.

I mean there should absolutely be more resources to help kids get on grade level. If only MCPS provided effective incentives for experienced teachers to support those students. Instead they have the highest paid teachers at the wealthiest schools.

On top of that MCPS gets extra funding from the state for kids that receive FARMS and ESOL. They don't actually spend that funding on services for these students, they just add it to the general budget. In other words wealthy schools use funding allocated to MCPS based on the number of low income students.

I get it, it is contrary to your interests for parents in other schools to advocate for our children. You're using our schools' diversity to try to divide us, based on your own stereotypes and internal narratives about our schools and the kids that attend them. I see what you are doing and why. It's pretty gross though.

“advocating for our own children” is a good way of avoiding the accusation that you are hoarding resources.

Lol now you are just playing the "I know you are but what am I game" how fun

Kind of the point here.

Oooh that's right, no MCPS classes today so the elementary students are home today

You aren’t recognizing that you are doing the same thing, with the same language, that you are accusing others of. *shrug*. Unsurprised you don’t see your own hypocrisy.

Because I said "I get it, it is contrary to your interests for parents in other schools to advocate for our children. You're using our schools' diversity to try to divide us, based on your own stereotypes and internal narratives about our schools and the kids that attend them. I see what you are doing and why. It's pretty gross though."?

I can see how that might have struck a nerve with you.

DP, but why the f should I advocate for your interests? You’re not advocating for mine and just assume we’re entitled and privileged and thumb your noses at us. It’s pretty gross actually that you’d brow beat us for not being diverse, parade around the fact that you chose not to move to our neighborhoods, and then have the nerve to expect us to support you and potentially at the expense of our kids? That’s the very definition of chutzpah.

The thing is, our cluster is organized and engaged and used its considerable social capital to protect the interests of our community. I won’t make any apologies over that. That’s called self-interest. What you’re doing is the same but you’re acting like it’s not.

DP - you really are preoccupied with this idea that we’re as callous as you, but are trying to hide it. It’s bizarre.

Spoiler alert: very few people are as callous as you.

Hey look, it’s the “I’m the main character” person again. Spoiler alert: nobody cares that your DD isn’t getting into some engineering, healthcare or leadership elective program, which let’s be honest, is mostly b.s. at the middle or high school level. And let me get this straight - it’s callous when I advocate for my kid but not when you advocate for yours? It’s also callous that I don’t advocate for your kid and potentially at the expense of mine. Do I have that right?

No, you don’t have it right.

!4:07 and 14:11 spelled it out for you (thanks, PPs!).

Actually, they didn't. Just a flippant misdirection. The disparity is due to the quality of the parental support independent of the school and the student body - what's so hard to understand? This article from 2023 does a good job of teasing out the disparities including, gasp, a startling link between the % FARMs and % that did not pass a single IB or AP exam:

https://theblackandwhite.net/77000/news/new-mcps-data-highlights-continuing-disparities-among-high-schools/

Guess what? No amount of funding is going to close that gap.

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Anonymous wrote:Ignoring all the "my taxes" wackos who don't understand the point of public education, trolls and racists chiming in here, the real problem is that MCPS has not asked anyone what they actually want. Whitman wants a high SES, super white school? Great. Let them have it. I am happy to have a racially and ethnically diverse (formerly DCC) school, with undocumented (tax-paying) immigrants and super cool, interesting special programs. Stop trying to distribute the special programs equally - give the poor schools the more interesting programs and let Whitman fund its own private theater programs and soccer teams with PTSA/Booster funds.

Agree. And don’t bother doing a region with DCC schools and Whitman. It’s silly and tone death. Some of us could live and go to Whitman and choose other areas to avoid that kind of school.

+1 the people clamoring to go to Whitman do not live in the DCC

Sometimes I think the lady doth protests too much. You could’ve just left it with the fact that people generally self-segregate into similar socioeconomic groups instead of trying to take a swipe at Whitman with your weird virtue signaling. Fun fact. It’s not some badge of honor to live in a poor or lower class area and your kind of attitude usually gets met with an eye roll.

Wait, in order to not "virtue signal" I have to be striving to live somewhere other than where I currently live? I can't just be happy where I am?

Consider the Einstein MVC poster, for example. They do not seem happy.

Very happy but child isn't going to be able to graduate without enough math classes. So, what do we do about it since MCPS says its not their problem despite requiring four years of math in HS.

Your kid takes AP Stats, or any other math class.

Ok, they take stats junior year, so then what do they take senior year?

Whichever other math class they want.

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Anonymous wrote:Ignoring all the "my taxes" wackos who don't understand the point of public education, trolls and racists chiming in here, the real problem is that MCPS has not asked anyone what they actually want. Whitman wants a high SES, super white school? Great. Let them have it. I am happy to have a racially and ethnically diverse (formerly DCC) school, with undocumented (tax-paying) immigrants and super cool, interesting special programs. Stop trying to distribute the special programs equally - give the poor schools the more interesting programs and let Whitman fund its own private theater programs and soccer teams with PTSA/Booster funds.

Agree. And don’t bother doing a region with DCC schools and Whitman. It’s silly and tone death. Some of us could live and go to Whitman and choose other areas to avoid that kind of school.

+1 the people clamoring to go to Whitman do not live in the DCC

Sometimes I think the lady doth protests too much. You could’ve just left it with the fact that people generally self-segregate into similar socioeconomic groups instead of trying to take a swipe at Whitman with your weird virtue signaling. Fun fact. It’s not some badge of honor to live in a poor or lower class area and your kind of attitude usually gets met with an eye roll.

Wait, in order to not "virtue signal" I have to be striving to live somewhere other than where I currently live? I can't just be happy where I am?

Consider the Einstein MVC poster, for example. They do not seem happy.

Very happy but child isn't going to be able to graduate without enough math classes. So, what do we do about it since MCPS says its not their problem despite requiring four years of math in HS.

Your kid takes AP Stats, or any other math class.

Ok, they take stats junior year, so then what do they take senior year?

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Anonymous wrote:It opens up Whitman to those who don’t have to pay as much for real estate.

Maybe BCC families want Whitman and will be excited by this? I dunno, I'm not that familiar with those communities. But I doubt there are many DCC families who want their kids at Whitman.

Nothing negative changes for them, and they are getting more classes and resources when they already have everything.

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Anonymous wrote:Ignoring all the "my taxes" wackos who don't understand the point of public education, trolls and racists chiming in here, the real problem is that MCPS has not asked anyone what they actually want. Whitman wants a high SES, super white school? Great. Let them have it. I am happy to have a racially and ethnically diverse (formerly DCC) school, with undocumented (tax-paying) immigrants and super cool, interesting special programs. Stop trying to distribute the special programs equally - give the poor schools the more interesting programs and let Whitman fund its own private theater programs and soccer teams with PTSA/Booster funds.

Agree. And don’t bother doing a region with DCC schools and Whitman. It’s silly and tone death. Some of us could live and go to Whitman and choose other areas to avoid that kind of school.

+1 Ithe people clamoring to go to Whitman do not live in the DCC

Sometimes I think the lady doth protests too much. You could’ve just left it with the fact that people generally self-segregate into similar socioeconomic groups instead of trying to take a swipe at Whitman with your weird virtue signaling. Fun fact. It’s not some badge of honor to live in a poor or lower class area and your kind of attitude usually gets met with an eye roll.

Wait, in order to not "virtue signal" I have to be striving to live somewhere other than where I currently live? I can't just be happy where I am?

It’s clear you’re not happy or satisfied when you need to try to make downward comparisons to wealthier area.

GMAFB, everyone who paid a premium to get their kids into a W school was making a downward comparison to other schools.

I attended Whitman and wanted a different environment for my child. We all make choices based on what we think is best for our kids. Sorry my choice makes you feel insecure about your choice.

DP from who you are responding to. The issue is wanting higher-FARMS schools to cater to minority (your) needs while saying you can afford a place that would provide you with what you want. I get that there are different aspects that go into choosing where you live, and vibe is one. You chose the vibe of where you live over the (easier) access to the things you want in schools.

The story is different for people who do not have the financial resources to access the schools with what they want.

I happen to be perfectly fine with all schools offering up to Calculus BC, which is the current situation at Einstein. That being said, I find it hilarious you want to bash all Einstein parents because of one parent who is advocating for her child. Gmafb. Being whiny and demanding is the MO of wealthy Bethesda parents. Everyone knows this and you can call me mean because I said it out loud, but trust me I am not remotely the only one who thinks this.

In most schools the kids that do Calculus BC are the minority. Like I said I attended Whitman and guess what, most of the kids were not advanced in math.

Just like kids from high income families, kids from low income families can be academically behind, on grade level or advanced. Geography should not determine opportunity.

I did not bash all Einstein or even all DCC posters, just the ones who profess to being able to afford something better but not paying it bc they want the poorer schools to cater to them. If you do not fall in this category it wasn’t about you.

DP - you’re projecting. Very few, if any, DCC parents want to be catered do. That’s a you problem.

The 16 threads freaking out about the regional programming and the end of the DCC suggest otherwise.

We aren’t asking to be catered to. We’re asking not to be robbed.

The MCPS proposal changes most DCC programs from consortia-wide enrollment to local enrollment by removing school choice. It’s a downgrade in participation, which will lead to staff cuts and fewer electives.

At the same, time MCPS is handing new resources and programs to high-performing schools and saying, “Look! We ruined the great program at your school but if you’re very lucky, you can get one of 15 magnet spots at Whitman! Your bus leaves from the school we broke. Don’t be late.”

You know that these electives certainly haven’t made them well performing schools and perhaps MCPS is acknowledging that it’s not working for most parents. Sometimes the truth hurts.

Call me when MCPS decides to cut the music program at your kids’ school in half and replace it with a teacher academy that was phased out for lack of interest.

Or are your kids too busy learning math they’ll never use to care about electives?

Einstein already has a minimal music program compared to other schools, and the teachers are stretched thin. They weren't even allowed to offer AP music theory. I don't see what they can cut from the already bare bones, stretched-thin music program. They could easily use 2-3 more teachers and could fill the classes.