Landon 3
GC 2

Midway through the 2nd

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but using the word “dispositive” multiple times and in your other posts is kinda weird.

lol. yeah man, we're lax bros and only speak in monosyllables!

Sorry, but using the word “dispositive” multiple times and in your other posts is kinda weird.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How are schools judged on player development rather than results? Sounds difficult.

Can only speak to my own experience, but it's fairly straightforward. Many coaches know programs (HS or club coaches) that generate quality players regardless of record. So even if a HS or club program has a "down" year, who shaped the recruit you're considering chasing counts for a lot. Definitely not dispositive - I don't really think any one thing is a clincher for anyone outside a top 20 candidate (however that gets defined - coaching recs? scouting? stars? club/tourney play? media savvy? some or all of that?). That said, academic train wreck or disciplinary problem IS usually dispositive in the other direction.

Couldn’t have said better myself.

Anonymous wrote:How are schools judged on player development rather than results? Sounds difficult.

Can only speak to my own experience, but it's fairly straightforward. Many coaches know programs (HS or club coaches) that generate quality players regardless of record. So even if a HS or club program has a "down" year, who shaped the recruit you're considering chasing counts for a lot. Definitely not dispositive - I don't really think any one thing is a clincher for anyone outside a top 20 candidate (however that gets defined - coaching recs? scouting? stars? club/tourney play? media savvy? some or all of that?). That said, academic train wreck or disciplinary problem IS usually dispositive in the other direction.

Tuesday Games

Taft School (CT) 0 - 0 @4:00p St Albans 1 - 3

Culver Military Academy Prep (IN) 2 - 0 @6:00p #3 St Johns College HS 2 - 0

Sts Peter & Paul 0 - 3 @ 5:00p #1 Bullis 3 - 0

#5 Landon 2 - 1 @6:00p #6Good Counsel 2 - 2

#7 Episcopal 2 - 0 @4:30p Bishop Ireton 0 - 3

Potomac School 0 - 0 @4:30p Cape Henry Collegiate 1 - 1

St Marys Ryken 1 - 3 @ 4:15p St Andrews Episcopal (MD) 0 - 1

Loyola plays Haverford today. Should provide an interesting data point.

How are schools judged on player development rather than results? Sounds difficult.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Using inside lacrosse preseason rankings, player stars, and college commit lists provides very little predicting power of how games will be won or lost. The winning teams will be ones with the follow: a) the team with the better players on the spine (x, FO, SSDM, goalie) b) # of seniors who play.

Agreed. Commitment does not make a better player- it marks a combination of good marketing, the right timing, and coach connections.

This is a silly thing to say and comes across bitter.

Most 27 kids who are committed are the best players in their class. Are there exceptions? Of course. Will some flame out? Yes. But the vast majority earned their commitment by working hard at their game and being the best of their peers. Marketing and connections have nothing to do with it (in most cases).

Are there uncommitted 27s who will end up being more successful in D1 lacrosse than some of the committed players now? Probably. But not that many.

The vast majority of players who succeed at the D1 level are players who committed before spring of their Junior year in high school. There are plenty of exceptions, so everyone should keep working if that is their goal, but telling yourself or your kid that the committed kids just had better connections and better marketing is foolish and unhelpful.

Great response. There’s a lot of commentary denigrating the star system but what else do you propose. Similarly, people rag on BIC. It’s delusional to think club play or club recruitment director alone will get your child to a top D1 school. There are just too many tournaments and games for college recruiters to attend. College recruiters are interested in individual talent not team talent. Showcases like BIC in combination with IL ranking provide the best albeit imperfect assessment of individual talent. All you have to do is cross reference BIC attendance, IL star rating and commitment to top programs. It doesn’t mean that the more of these players on your roster will mean a national championship. That’s on the coaches.

I will also add that the following criteria are also important:

1 Academic performance at a school with some rigor.
2. Playing on a high school team recognized for player development rather record.
3. Family stability and behavioral risk

Anonymous wrote:Men's lacrosse might be the odd beneficiary of Title IX. The law requires equal opportunity for men's and women's athletics. Getting rid of men's lacrosse would mean either creating new sports for a school which comes with a higher cost per athlete due to scales. Or, a school would have to eliminate the same number of athletes in women's sports which would likely mean 2 women's sports due to the size of men's lax. We know that's not gonna happen.

I think it is more likely event that schools basically eliminate men's sports except for football and basketball and maybe one or two niche sport a school does well (so lax for Cuse and MD) and balance that out on the women's side based on whatever the Title IX requirements say.

Of course, I think the current set up of having a cap on scholarships is an antitrust violation but what do I know.

This completely ignores D3 where mens lax is basically a recruiting tool to bring in paying customers.

Anonymous wrote:Tuesday Games

Taft School (CT) 0 - 0 @4:00p St Albans 1 - 3
Taft isn’t what they used to be but still too much STA+4 as the Taft coach takes it easy on his old buddy at STA

Culver Military Academy Prep (IN) 2 - 0 @6:00p #3 St Johns College HS 2 - 0
SJC +1 against the premier reclass factory in the country.

Sts Peter & Paul 0 - 3 @ 5:00p #1 Bullis 3 - 0
Not even a speed bump -10

#5 Landon 2 - 1 @6:00p #6Good Counsel 2 - 2
L by reputation -1

#7 Episcopal 2 - 0 @4:30p Bishop Ireton 0 - 3
EP is better, not good or great, just better -6

Potomac School 0 - 0 @4:30p Cape Henry Collegiate 1 - 1
Potomac's chance to creep into the top 10 with a big win

No joke on the Culver comment. Last year they had a kid that could legally drink by Prep Nationals.

Predictions for today:

Taft 13
STA 4

Culver 10
SJC 8

Landon 9
GC 8

Tuesday Games

Taft School (CT) 0 - 0 @4:00p St Albans 1 - 3
Taft isn’t what they used to be but still too much STA+4 as the Taft coach takes it easy on his old buddy at STA

Culver Military Academy Prep (IN) 2 - 0 @6:00p #3 St Johns College HS 2 - 0
SJC +1 against the premier reclass factory in the country.

Sts Peter & Paul 0 - 3 @ 5:00p #1 Bullis 3 - 0
Not even a speed bump -10

#5 Landon 2 - 1 @6:00p #6Good Counsel 2 - 2
L by reputation -1

#7 Episcopal 2 - 0 @4:30p Bishop Ireton 0 - 3
EP is better, not good or great, just better -6

Potomac School 0 - 0 @4:30p Cape Henry Collegiate 1 - 1
Potomac's chance to creep into the top 10 with a big win

Men's lacrosse might be the odd beneficiary of Title IX. The law requires equal opportunity for men's and women's athletics. Getting rid of men's lacrosse would mean either creating new sports for a school which comes with a higher cost per athlete due to scales. Or, a school would have to eliminate the same number of athletes in women's sports which would likely mean 2 women's sports due to the size of men's lax. We know that's not gonna happen.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The sport is dying at the collegiate level.

You will begin to see more D1 schools cut the sport entirely from their athletic budget.

Why do you think lacrosse is dying at the collegiate level and what's the evidence to support that idea? Are you lumping lacrosse in with all other non-football/basketball sports or is your thesis specific to only lacrosse?

He thinks it’s dying at the collegiate level because no one recruited his son and is bitter.