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He seemed pretty slick and slimy to me. And seething underneath it all. Plus that answer at the end. It's clear he will not be a firewall to Trump's crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's get this right. Settlers came to America and built something. Immigrants came to something that was already built.

Were you around in the 1700s? Or, like the rest of us, were you born in the late 1900s when things were already built? Or did you have a different point!

Doesn't matter. It seems that how your ancestors came affects your philosophy on the issue. Descendants of immigrants think this country is a nation of immigrants, established unorganically and very deliberately to create opportunities for people from other countries to make money and support their immediate families and their families back home monetarily. Those not descendant from immigrants, we think differently.

Seek psychological help. Please.

This makes you uncomfortable. That is not a psychological problem on my end.

Half right. Your psychosis indeed makes me uncomfortable.

You know I am right but do not like it so you are experiencing cognitive dissonance

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Anonymous wrote:Can the people arguing about whose ancestors came over on the Mayflower start their own thread?!

No, because immigration is the biggest issue in politics right now, but we are supposed to be ok with open borders because blah blah we are a nation of immigrants! No, that is not true.

You are so far in the weeds that you've lost the thread. Literally--we are talking about the debate here.

Debate touched on immigration and most Americans want to deport illegal immigrants. If I am force fed the we are a nation of immigrants philosophy as a reason we need open borders, I will tell you why that is wrong.

Those on here who were dazzled and fooled by a smooth talking charlatan, better snap out of your trance and realize how gullible and easily fooled you are.

“You must never attended college in US. No, you cannot go to a different college if by August you already paid your tuition. You also cannot transfer at that time.”

I just want to correct you. Every year the College Board gathers a list of schools that still have openings after May 1. Many will allow a student to matriculate during the first week of class. They tend to be obscure schools, but you are wrong. Of course there’s also community college if your kid doesn’t want a meningitis vaccine. I actually had it before the vaccine was available. I’m lucky I can walk and have my limbs.

Anonymous wrote:Love this debate. Love Vance and Walz. Why do we have to vote for either Trump or Harris?

No to Walz agree with everything else. I think Vance would make a great president.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's get this right. Settlers came to America and built something. Immigrants came to something that was already built.

Were you around in the 1700s? Or, like the rest of us, were you born in the late 1900s when things were already built? Or did you have a different point!

Doesn't matter. It seems that how your ancestors came affects your philosophy on the issue. Descendants of immigrants think this country is a nation of immigrants, established unorganically and very deliberately to create opportunities for people from other countries to make money and support their immediate families and their families back home monetarily. Those not descendant from immigrants, we think differently.

Seek psychological help. Please.

This makes you uncomfortable. That is not a psychological problem on my end.

Half right. Your psychosis indeed makes me uncomfortable.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's get this right. Settlers came to America and built something. Immigrants came to something that was already built.

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Wow the DAR snobs out in force tonight. I’m proud descendent of 19th and 20th century immigrants who came to a country where previous arrivals had built something, and who helped to build something even better, working in factories and building America’s bridges and roads to create the world’s greatest economy.

That's cool, doesn't mean we are at our foundation a nation of immigrants and should allow for mass immigration now. None of this means that immigration never happened. Just means that plenty of us are not immigrants or descendant from immigrants, and do not have warm fuzzy feeling about immigration.

Why won't you answer which tribal nation you belong to?

One, I don't have to answer any of your questions, and two, I am talking about the nation and the establishment of a government, not simply land.

Yeah so your ancestors came over here on a boat some time after the 16th century, just like most of American's ancestors did.

Guess what, there were already nations here across the North American continent.

Her ancestors murdered those people so they don't count.

Yes, the ones that came in the 1600s (not 16th century) formed the nation and government of the USA. Yes, including the slaves. They and their their descendants are not immigrants.

1600s is after the 16th century, no?

And did they come over on a boat? And did they establish residence in a place which was not the country of their birth? Then they immigrated. Learn your vocabulary.

They didn't immigrate. They formed a country that did not exist beforehand.

There were nations ALREADY here. They immigrated. The North American continent was not a tabula rasa. Good lord are you that ignorant of history?

Well the U.S. exists now. We are talking about nationhood and government, not land.

Anonymous wrote:Vance / Walz 2024!

Harris and Trump are complete idiots compared to these two. Love this debate but hate that we’re saddled between voting for the two gaslighting, intellectual lightweights who are running for president.

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Let's just all be very honest. When DJT isn't in the room American politics just works better.

Love this debate. Love Vance and Walz. Why do we have to vote for either Trump or Harris?

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Anonymous wrote:Can the people arguing about whose ancestors came over on the Mayflower start their own thread?!

No, because immigration is the biggest issue in politics right now, but we are supposed to be ok with open borders because blah blah we are a nation of immigrants! No, that is not true.

You are so far in the weeds that you've lost the thread. Literally--we are talking about the debate here.

Anonymous wrote:I’m not voting for VP Knucklehead.

Neither am I.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's get this right. Settlers came to America and built something. Immigrants came to something that was already built.

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Wow the DAR snobs out in force tonight. I’m proud descendent of 19th and 20th century immigrants who came to a country where previous arrivals had built something, and who helped to build something even better, working in factories and building America’s bridges and roads to create the world’s greatest economy.

That's cool, doesn't mean we are at our foundation a nation of immigrants and should allow for mass immigration now. None of this means that immigration never happened. Just means that plenty of us are not immigrants or descendant from immigrants, and do not have warm fuzzy feeling about immigration.

Why won't you answer which tribal nation you belong to?

One, I don't have to answer any of your questions, and two, I am talking about the nation and the establishment of a government, not simply land.

Yeah so your ancestors came over here on a boat some time after the 16th century, just like most of American's ancestors did.

Guess what, there were already nations here across the North American continent.

Her ancestors murdered those people so they don't count.

Yes, the ones that came in the 1600s (not 16th century) formed the nation and government of the USA. Yes, including the slaves. They and their their descendants are not immigrants.

1600s is after the 16th century, no?

And did they come over on a boat? And did they establish residence in a place which was not the country of their birth? Then they immigrated. Learn your vocabulary.

They didn't immigrate. They formed a country that did not exist beforehand.

There were nations ALREADY here. They immigrated. The North American continent was not a tabula rasa. Good lord are you that ignorant of history?

Anything that isn't white christians doesn't count as history for them. But good luck with the effort!