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Anonymous wrote:I just can’t get over the fact that no one who heard her say “I hit him” thought to write it down or, detain her or even bring her in for immediate questioning. That does not seem like SOP for any of the first responders.

They very likely would have brought her to the cop shop for questioning, but her daddy called 911 and asked that she be taken in by paramedics on a psych hold because she was allegedly expressing suicidal ideation on the phone with mommy and daddy. So she was taken to the same hospital as her victim and kept from law enforcement for hours while she was assessed by medical personnel, then upon release she and daddy high-tailed it over to the murder victim's house to collect the murder weapon and remove it from the scene and to more than likely delete incriminating Ring video from the victim's Ring camera database.

Yes, LEOs should have detained her from the moment she walked out of the room at Good Samaritan where she was on psych hold. They caught up with her instead a couple of hours later at her mommy and daddy's house. She was a suspect from the moment she started screaming confessions to anybody who would listen at the scene of John's death/body.

The way you speak about people is disgusting.

Really?

Maybe if you'd seen as many raped children and murdered women and men and other horrors such as I have seen over decades working in and around the criminal justice system, you might be less naive and more jaded in your view of the capacities of our fellow humans.

Karen Read is a murdering scum and her mommy, daddy and brother are her primary enablers in the disgusting reign of villainy she has engaged in since the murder - which wasn't enough to feed her bottomless pit of psychological neediness. I hope she rots in prison until her cootch dries up entirely.

Lady, this isn’t healthy. You are unhinged. You need to get a more positive hobby.

Public service isn't a hobby, it's a calling.

My mental health is fine - I'm not the one on here cheering and defending a malignant narcissistic murderer who has attempted to destroy dozens of lives in the desperate attempt to save her scrawny ass from prison after running her abused boyfriend down in the road like he was a stray dog and leaving him to die. YOU need to check your moral compass, poster.

This level of visceral emotion toward someone in the news sounds very personal. As though you’ve decided who you think did it and you are only interested in hearing evidence that coordinates with your belief. Anything to the contrary can’t possibly be true. It just comes across as having a very, very personal interest in this case and the people involved.

Nah. You’re trying to imply this person is close to the case. If you follow many crime sites you’ll always find posters like above. It becomes so important to them they feel like they know the people personally and fill in gaps in their knowledge of the people with their personal biases.

Interesting. I don’t typically follow this sort of thing, so I was unaware that people can get emotional about people they don’t even know. Wow.

Wow, are you serious poster?

Have you never once in your life shed a tear for schoolchildren slaughtered in mass shootings? For children tortured and killed in war torn countries? For children starving in countries where famine reigns? For children laboring in sweat shops and factories and mine pits and garbage heaps in developing nations around the world? For the kid with cancer in your neighborhood who you’ve never met but you see the donation cans at the convenience stores and gas stations around town?

Many of us are empaths and we get emotional, even heartsick, over the suffering of billions of people we’ll never know.

I’m far more shocked by a person who says they never feel emotion except for people they know. You can’t be a person who adheres to any Abrahamic religion? If you are, I don’t get how that works for you?

Sorry, was writing quickly while doing something else. I was referring to someone who gets so invested in other people’s lives that they speak viciously and venomously about someone without any real knowledge of whether or not that person did what they are accused of.

As someone who heard about this case two or so weeks ago, I don’t see how anyone can know who did what that ultimately caused that poor gentleman’s death. I feel deep sadness for him and his family and friends. Unless someone comes forward with a video or or solid confession that lines up with the facts, there’s appears to be no way to know what happened. Which is very, very sad for everyone involved who loved this man who is now gone.

But as an outsider with no particular “side” in this case, I am interested in knowing what the truth is. It is hard to find truth when one’s eyes are clouded by an overflow of emotions. When I was a young law student, I learned that it’s not about who you think deserves to be right in a case, it’s about following the law. So I’m interested in learning about the facts in this case, which unfortunately seem to be very difficult to figure out given all the events and circumstances coming out in the trial.

I can’t imagine being a juror and trying to make sense of what I am hearing in this courtroom- but I know that I would have to be keenly aware of my obligation to listen to all the information presented and try to sort it out in a way that fits with the laws as they are provided to me. To allow emotions to get in the way would be to let down my fellow citizens.

Anonymous wrote:The officer the commonwealth put on the stand is tanking the whole case. We may never know what happened at 34 Fairview, but we do know that the investigation was an embarrassment.

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Anonymous wrote:I just can’t get over the fact that no one who heard her say “I hit him” thought to write it down or, detain her or even bring her in for immediate questioning. That does not seem like SOP for any of the first responders.

They very likely would have brought her to the cop shop for questioning, but her daddy called 911 and asked that she be taken in by paramedics on a psych hold because she was allegedly expressing suicidal ideation on the phone with mommy and daddy. So she was taken to the same hospital as her victim and kept from law enforcement for hours while she was assessed by medical personnel, then upon release she and daddy high-tailed it over to the murder victim's house to collect the murder weapon and remove it from the scene and to more than likely delete incriminating Ring video from the victim's Ring camera database.

Yes, LEOs should have detained her from the moment she walked out of the room at Good Samaritan where she was on psych hold. They caught up with her instead a couple of hours later at her mommy and daddy's house. She was a suspect from the moment she started screaming confessions to anybody who would listen at the scene of John's death/body.

The way you speak about people is disgusting.

Really?

Maybe if you'd seen as many raped children and murdered women and men and other horrors such as I have seen over decades working in and around the criminal justice system, you might be less naive and more jaded in your view of the capacities of our fellow humans.

Karen Read is a murdering scum and her mommy, daddy and brother are her primary enablers in the disgusting reign of villainy she has engaged in since the murder - which wasn't enough to feed her bottomless pit of psychological neediness. I hope she rots in prison until her cootch dries up entirely.

Lady, this isn’t healthy. You are unhinged. You need to get a more positive hobby.

Public service isn't a hobby, it's a calling.

My mental health is fine - I'm not the one on here cheering and defending a malignant narcissistic murderer who has attempted to destroy dozens of lives in the desperate attempt to save her scrawny ass from prison after running her abused boyfriend down in the road like he was a stray dog and leaving him to die. YOU need to check your moral compass, poster.

This level of visceral emotion toward someone in the news sounds very personal. As though you’ve decided who you think did it and you are only interested in hearing evidence that coordinates with your belief. Anything to the contrary can’t possibly be true. It just comes across as having a very, very personal interest in this case and the people involved.

Nah. You’re trying to imply this person is close to the case. If you follow many crime sites you’ll always find posters like above. It becomes so important to them they feel like they know the people personally and fill in gaps in their knowledge of the people with their personal biases.

Interesting. I don’t typically follow this sort of thing, so I was unaware that people can get emotional about people they don’t even know. Wow.

Wow, are you serious poster?

Have you never once in your life shed a tear for schoolchildren slaughtered in mass shootings? For children tortured and killed in war torn countries? For children starving in countries where famine reigns? For children laboring in sweat shops and factories and mine pits and garbage heaps in developing nations around the world? For the kid with cancer in your neighborhood who you’ve never met but you see the donation cans at the convenience stores and gas stations around town?

Many of us are empaths and we get emotional, even heartsick, over the suffering of billions of people we’ll never know.

I’m far more shocked by a person who says they never feel emotion except for people they know. You can’t be a person who adheres to any Abrahamic religion? If you are, I don’t get how that works for you?

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Anonymous wrote:I just can’t get over the fact that no one who heard her say “I hit him” thought to write it down or, detain her or even bring her in for immediate questioning. That does not seem like SOP for any of the first responders.

They very likely would have brought her to the cop shop for questioning, but her daddy called 911 and asked that she be taken in by paramedics on a psych hold because she was allegedly expressing suicidal ideation on the phone with mommy and daddy. So she was taken to the same hospital as her victim and kept from law enforcement for hours while she was assessed by medical personnel, then upon release she and daddy high-tailed it over to the murder victim's house to collect the murder weapon and remove it from the scene and to more than likely delete incriminating Ring video from the victim's Ring camera database.

Yes, LEOs should have detained her from the moment she walked out of the room at Good Samaritan where she was on psych hold. They caught up with her instead a couple of hours later at her mommy and daddy's house. She was a suspect from the moment she started screaming confessions to anybody who would listen at the scene of John's death/body.

The way you speak about people is disgusting.

Really?

Maybe if you'd seen as many raped children and murdered women and men and other horrors such as I have seen over decades working in and around the criminal justice system, you might be less naive and more jaded in your view of the capacities of our fellow humans.

Karen Read is a murdering scum and her mommy, daddy and brother are her primary enablers in the disgusting reign of villainy she has engaged in since the murder - which wasn't enough to feed her bottomless pit of psychological neediness. I hope she rots in prison until her cootch dries up entirely.

Lady, this isn’t healthy. You are unhinged. You need to get a more positive hobby.

Public service isn't a hobby, it's a calling.

My mental health is fine - I'm not the one on here cheering and defending a malignant narcissistic murderer who has attempted to destroy dozens of lives in the desperate attempt to save her scrawny ass from prison after running her abused boyfriend down in the road like he was a stray dog and leaving him to die. YOU need to check your moral compass, poster.

This level of visceral emotion toward someone in the news sounds very personal. As though you’ve decided who you think did it and you are only interested in hearing evidence that coordinates with your belief. Anything to the contrary can’t possibly be true. It just comes across as having a very, very personal interest in this case and the people involved.

Nah. You’re trying to imply this person is close to the case. If you follow many crime sites you’ll always find posters like above. It becomes so important to them they feel like they know the people personally and fill in gaps in their knowledge of the people with their personal biases.

Interesting. I don’t typically follow this sort of thing, so I was unaware that people can get emotional about people they don’t even know. Wow.

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Anonymous wrote:I just can’t get over the fact that no one who heard her say “I hit him” thought to write it down or, detain her or even bring her in for immediate questioning. That does not seem like SOP for any of the first responders.

They very likely would have brought her to the cop shop for questioning, but her daddy called 911 and asked that she be taken in by paramedics on a psych hold because she was allegedly expressing suicidal ideation on the phone with mommy and daddy. So she was taken to the same hospital as her victim and kept from law enforcement for hours while she was assessed by medical personnel, then upon release she and daddy high-tailed it over to the murder victim's house to collect the murder weapon and remove it from the scene and to more than likely delete incriminating Ring video from the victim's Ring camera database.

Yes, LEOs should have detained her from the moment she walked out of the room at Good Samaritan where she was on psych hold. They caught up with her instead a couple of hours later at her mommy and daddy's house. She was a suspect from the moment she started screaming confessions to anybody who would listen at the scene of John's death/body.

The way you speak about people is disgusting.

Really?

Maybe if you'd seen as many raped children and murdered women and men and other horrors such as I have seen over decades working in and around the criminal justice system, you might be less naive and more jaded in your view of the capacities of our fellow humans.

Karen Read is a murdering scum and her mommy, daddy and brother are her primary enablers in the disgusting reign of villainy she has engaged in since the murder - which wasn't enough to feed her bottomless pit of psychological neediness. I hope she rots in prison until her cootch dries up entirely.

Lady, this isn’t healthy. You are unhinged. You need to get a more positive hobby.

Public service isn't a hobby, it's a calling.

My mental health is fine - I'm not the one on here cheering and defending a malignant narcissistic murderer who has attempted to destroy dozens of lives in the desperate attempt to save her scrawny ass from prison after running her abused boyfriend down in the road like he was a stray dog and leaving him to die. YOU need to check your moral compass, poster.

This level of visceral emotion toward someone in the news sounds very personal. As though you’ve decided who you think did it and you are only interested in hearing evidence that coordinates with your belief. Anything to the contrary can’t possibly be true. It just comes across as having a very, very personal interest in this case and the people involved.

Nah. You’re trying to imply this person is close to the case. If you follow many crime sites you’ll always find posters like above. It becomes so important to them they feel like they know the people personally and fill in gaps in their knowledge of the people with their personal biases.

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Anonymous wrote:I just can’t get over the fact that no one who heard her say “I hit him” thought to write it down or, detain her or even bring her in for immediate questioning. That does not seem like SOP for any of the first responders.

They very likely would have brought her to the cop shop for questioning, but her daddy called 911 and asked that she be taken in by paramedics on a psych hold because she was allegedly expressing suicidal ideation on the phone with mommy and daddy. So she was taken to the same hospital as her victim and kept from law enforcement for hours while she was assessed by medical personnel, then upon release she and daddy high-tailed it over to the murder victim's house to collect the murder weapon and remove it from the scene and to more than likely delete incriminating Ring video from the victim's Ring camera database.

Yes, LEOs should have detained her from the moment she walked out of the room at Good Samaritan where she was on psych hold. They caught up with her instead a couple of hours later at her mommy and daddy's house. She was a suspect from the moment she started screaming confessions to anybody who would listen at the scene of John's death/body.

The way you speak about people is disgusting.

Really?

Maybe if you'd seen as many raped children and murdered women and men and other horrors such as I have seen over decades working in and around the criminal justice system, you might be less naive and more jaded in your view of the capacities of our fellow humans.

Karen Read is a murdering scum and her mommy, daddy and brother are her primary enablers in the disgusting reign of villainy she has engaged in since the murder - which wasn't enough to feed her bottomless pit of psychological neediness. I hope she rots in prison until her cootch dries up entirely.

Lady, this isn’t healthy. You are unhinged. You need to get a more positive hobby.

Public service isn't a hobby, it's a calling.

My mental health is fine - I'm not the one on here cheering and defending a malignant narcissistic murderer who has attempted to destroy dozens of lives in the desperate attempt to save her scrawny ass from prison after running her abused boyfriend down in the road like he was a stray dog and leaving him to die. YOU need to check your moral compass, poster.

This level of visceral emotion toward someone in the news sounds very personal. As though you’ve decided who you think did it and you are only interested in hearing evidence that coordinates with your belief. Anything to the contrary can’t possibly be true. It just comes across as having a very, very personal interest in this case and the people involved.

Nah. You’re trying to imply this person is close to the case. If you follow many crime sites you’ll always find posters like above. It becomes so important to them they feel like they know the people personally and fill in gaps in their knowledge of the people with their personal biases.

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Anonymous wrote:I just can’t get over the fact that no one who heard her say “I hit him” thought to write it down or, detain her or even bring her in for immediate questioning. That does not seem like SOP for any of the first responders.

They very likely would have brought her to the cop shop for questioning, but her daddy called 911 and asked that she be taken in by paramedics on a psych hold because she was allegedly expressing suicidal ideation on the phone with mommy and daddy. So she was taken to the same hospital as her victim and kept from law enforcement for hours while she was assessed by medical personnel, then upon release she and daddy high-tailed it over to the murder victim's house to collect the murder weapon and remove it from the scene and to more than likely delete incriminating Ring video from the victim's Ring camera database.

Yes, LEOs should have detained her from the moment she walked out of the room at Good Samaritan where she was on psych hold. They caught up with her instead a couple of hours later at her mommy and daddy's house. She was a suspect from the moment she started screaming confessions to anybody who would listen at the scene of John's death/body.

The way you speak about people is disgusting.

Really?

Maybe if you'd seen as many raped children and murdered women and men and other horrors such as I have seen over decades working in and around the criminal justice system, you might be less naive and more jaded in your view of the capacities of our fellow humans.

Karen Read is a murdering scum and her mommy, daddy and brother are her primary enablers in the disgusting reign of villainy she has engaged in since the murder - which wasn't enough to feed her bottomless pit of psychological neediness. I hope she rots in prison until her cootch dries up entirely.

Lady, this isn’t healthy. You are unhinged. You need to get a more positive hobby.

Public service isn't a hobby, it's a calling.

My mental health is fine - I'm not the one on here cheering and defending a malignant narcissistic murderer who has attempted to destroy dozens of lives in the desperate attempt to save her scrawny ass from prison after running her abused boyfriend down in the road like he was a stray dog and leaving him to die. YOU need to check your moral compass, poster.

This level of visceral emotion toward someone in the news sounds very personal. As though you’ve decided who you think did it and you are only interested in hearing evidence that coordinates with your belief. Anything to the contrary can’t possibly be true. It just comes across as having a very, very personal interest in this case and the people involved.

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They very likely would have brought her to the cop shop for questioning, but her daddy called 911 and asked that she be taken in by paramedics on a psych hold because she was allegedly expressing suicidal ideation on the phone with mommy and daddy. So she was taken to the same hospital as her victim and kept from law enforcement for hours while she was assessed by medical personnel, then upon release she and daddy high-tailed it over to the murder victim's house to collect the murder weapon and remove it from the scene and to more than likely delete incriminating Ring video from the victim's Ring camera database.

Yes, LEOs should have detained her from the moment she walked out of the room at Good Samaritan where she was on psych hold. They caught up with her instead a couple of hours later at her mommy and daddy's house. She was a suspect from the moment she started screaming confessions to anybody who would listen at the scene of John's death/body.

The way you speak about people is disgusting.

Really?

Maybe if you'd seen as many raped children and murdered women and men and other horrors such as I have seen over decades working in and around the criminal justice system, you might be less naive and more jaded in your view of the capacities of our fellow humans.

Karen Read is a murdering scum and her mommy, daddy and brother are her primary enablers in the disgusting reign of villainy she has engaged in since the murder - which wasn't enough to feed her bottomless pit of psychological neediness. I hope she rots in prison until her cootch dries up entirely.

Lady, this isn’t healthy. You are unhinged. You need to get a more positive hobby.

Public service isn't a hobby, it's a calling.

My mental health is fine - I'm not the one on here cheering and defending a malignant narcissistic murderer who has attempted to destroy dozens of lives in the desperate attempt to save her scrawny ass from prison after running her abused boyfriend down in the road like he was a stray dog and leaving him to die. YOU need to check your moral compass, poster.

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They very likely would have brought her to the cop shop for questioning, but her daddy called 911 and asked that she be taken in by paramedics on a psych hold because she was allegedly expressing suicidal ideation on the phone with mommy and daddy. So she was taken to the same hospital as her victim and kept from law enforcement for hours while she was assessed by medical personnel, then upon release she and daddy high-tailed it over to the murder victim's house to collect the murder weapon and remove it from the scene and to more than likely delete incriminating Ring video from the victim's Ring camera database.

Yes, LEOs should have detained her from the moment she walked out of the room at Good Samaritan where she was on psych hold. They caught up with her instead a couple of hours later at her mommy and daddy's house. She was a suspect from the moment she started screaming confessions to anybody who would listen at the scene of John's death/body.

The way you speak about people is disgusting.

Really?

Maybe if you'd seen as many raped children and murdered women and men and other horrors such as I have seen over decades working in and around the criminal justice system, you might be less naive and more jaded in your view of the capacities of our fellow humans.

Karen Read is a murdering scum and her mommy, daddy and brother are her primary enablers in the disgusting reign of villainy she has engaged in since the murder - which wasn't enough to feed her bottomless pit of psychological neediness. I hope she rots in prison until her cootch dries up entirely.

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Anonymous wrote:The timeline does not make sense based on Ryan Nagel and the other young ladies' accounts, because when would she have reversed into him: can't be before a certain time (he was alive on phone) or after a certain time (Nagel + others in car which was right behind hers). Then she's connecting to John's wifi so back at his house. The prosecution would have to show it was possible timewise because I don't see when it could have happened.

Ryan and Julie and others in same vehicle with Ryan don't see John because he is outside of the vehicle pissing or vomiting in the woodsy area directly adjacent to where the Lexus is parked while Karen is waiting for him.

John returns to the vehicle, asks Karen 'are you coming in or not?', she refuses and he grabs her drink and heads out of the vehicle toward the house. He is moving for only 20 seconds after exiting her vehicle, then he moves no more forever and his phone lies under him on the lawn getting colder and colder until it reaches the ground temperature with protection from elements by John's body and stays at that temperature for hours until John's body is lifted from the ground by paramedics and the phone briefly gets colder before Jen or Kerry picks it up and puts it in their pocket where it begins warming up again well after 6am in the morning.

The vehicle registers the strike and some 5 minutes later Karen's phone connects to John's wifi which can happen from halfway down the block and we know she was raging and speeding (reversing at 75% acceleration, 24mph (!!) for 60+ feet) so it's no surprise she shaved a minute off the usual drive time to John's home and with nobody else on the road as well.

It's entirely possible, entirely plausible, and IT IS WHAT HAPPENED. Karen Read killed John O'Keefe, nobody else, no Keebler elves, no packs of roaming dogs or even the one who lived at 34 Fairview, not the dear friends and their friends who were warm and cozy inside 34 Fairview waiting for their friend John to join them. If only he'd made it inside that safe haven.

Karen Read is a coercively controlling domestic abuser who killed her lover when he tried to leave her. That's the plain truth of this whole case and if she had a penis and he had a cootch nobody would even be contemplating any other scenario.