Anonymous wrote:We have so many golf courses in the area. Airplanes should be flying over them. They are wide and are typically located in less populated areas. In fact airplanes can stay over them almost the entire time from Seneca to Glen echo in Montgomery county. Has this idea been considered?

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Anonymous wrote:A recent study found that malignant brain cancer risk in all subjects combined increased 12% [95% confidence interval (CI), 0.98–1.27] per interquartile range (IQR) of airport-related UFP exposure (∼6,700 particles/cm3) for subjects with any address in the grid area surrounding the LAX airport.

But that only applies to the areas under the LAX flight path, not anywhere in DCA as real estate agents would like you to think. You’ll get used to the noise and there’s nothing to see in the Palisades. Pay premium to live under the flight path, or you are a hypersensitive lone crazy.

Source?

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Anonymous wrote:I will add that I question the decision of anyone to move to an expensive area under a flight path. Everywhere else in the world the trade off is obvious — there’s a massive discount which has been pegged in some studies at 40% or so. Here, at the same prices as unblighted areas, why would anyone knowing what you know move to the Palisades for any length of time?

Well, you don’t have the counterfactual. Without the airplane noise the area would probably much more expensive than it is now. The noise is very likely already built into the price. The area being too expensive is just your opinion. Obviously there are people willing to pay those prices.

Anonymous wrote:A recent study found that malignant brain cancer risk in all subjects combined increased 12% [95% confidence interval (CI), 0.98–1.27] per interquartile range (IQR) of airport-related UFP exposure (∼6,700 particles/cm3) for subjects with any address in the grid area surrounding the LAX airport.

But that only applies to the areas under the LAX flight path, not anywhere in DCA as real estate agents would like you to think. You’ll get used to the noise and there’s nothing to see in the Palisades. Pay premium to live under the flight path, or you are a hypersensitive lone crazy.

Anonymous wrote:I will add that I question the decision of anyone to move to an expensive area under a flight path. Everywhere else in the world the trade off is obvious — there’s a massive discount which has been pegged in some studies at 40% or so. Here, at the same prices as unblighted areas, why would anyone knowing what you know move to the Palisades for any length of time?

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Anonymous wrote:I moved to Palisades in November (near Foxhall). I can hear the planes, in my house, with the windows closed. The weather/clouds do make a difference - on cloudy days they are louder.

I moved here from NE DC, and previously was in Logan Circle. I very much prefer the plane noise over the other city noises - ambulances/sirens, "fireworks", dump trucks, parties, drunk people at night, etc.

For anyone considering moving here, you will hear it, but you can definitely get used to it. I'm a very light sleeper and I sleep with a white noise machine at a low setting and have no issues with the planes. IMO the benefits of this location (proximity to nature, parks, downtown, walkability, small town vibe, friendly unpretentious people) far outweigh the noise. It's pretty nice being 15 min from the airport when it's time to travel (although this is much of DC). Often the birds are louder than the planes. I'd still be happy living here even if there were 2x the number of planes.

If you can bear it, it’s a trade off as you say. Please don’t ignore the perils of what you can’t control: the pollution and the effects of it and the noise your health. Even if you’re not bothered, science says all the major organ systems are likely to be affected.

Anonymous wrote:I moved to Palisades in November (near Foxhall). I can hear the planes, in my house, with the windows closed. The weather/clouds do make a difference - on cloudy days they are louder.

I moved here from NE DC, and previously was in Logan Circle. I very much prefer the plane noise over the other city noises - ambulances/sirens, "fireworks", dump trucks, parties, drunk people at night, etc.

For anyone considering moving here, you will hear it, but you can definitely get used to it. I'm a very light sleeper and I sleep with a white noise machine at a low setting and have no issues with the planes. IMO the benefits of this location (proximity to nature, parks, downtown, walkability, small town vibe, friendly unpretentious people) far outweigh the noise. It's pretty nice being 15 min from the airport when it's time to travel (although this is much of DC). Often the birds are louder than the planes. I'd still be happy living here even if there were 2x the number of planes.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s weird to me that the palisades and surrounding neighborhoods have never mentioned Anacostia and Southern PG as similarly affected, even though the flight pattern often has low flying planes in that direction.

So weird they don’t seem to care about these communities. I wonder why that is…

Just reading this thread and the comments from 2023. What an excellent point and how very relevant right now.
Probably part of the reason is that PG county government seems to be asleep at the wheel so others feel they don't have to care either. Pg county residents deserve better.

Yes. When Vianair did the community survey the smallest number of respondents came from Accokeek! I am sure they did not realize how important it was because there was probably no proper outreach by the county. It is sad.
https://www.vianair.com/soa/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/SOA-Community-Survey-Results-Summary-v090224.pdf

I have not seen any information about the community meetings yet but the plan is to have everything finalized and sent to the FAA by mid march. We may witnessing the fastest public process ever.

Accokeek is in District 9 of Prince George's County. District 9 is huge and Accokeek in on the very edge of it which may be part of the problem. The council representative for that district in Sydney Harrison, 301-9523820, e-mail: councilDistrict9@co.pg.md.us if anybody has any questions. His offices are in Largo.

When the DCA Working Group first starting discussing extending South Flow SIDs (departures) farther towards Accokeek in January 2022, the FAA presented maps showing not just population density, but maps showing communities of low income and people of color. The discussion with maps is on pages two and three:

https://www.flyreagan.com/sites/flyreagan.com/files/2022-04/DCA%20CWG%20Final%20meeting%20Summary%201.27.2022.pdf

Some of the most interesting quotes:

"Implementing DCA SIDs would have negative impacts over State Historic Preservation Office (SHPO) locations in VA and MD. • They also have to look at environmental justice demographics on the impact on minority and low income populations."

"On the environmental justice issue, has an assessment been made on whether minorities or low-income communities would be impacted?"

"Stephen Thayer: Where does that leave us? • Charles Armstead (FAA): In a nutshell, you want to develop a procedure to move the noise farther east over someone else’s neighborhood. • Stephen Thayer: No, it’s over the river. • Charles Armstead : Moving the track farther east could push the noise into other communities."

None of these issues were discussed at the last meeting so I wonder what has already been done or what is planned. Hopefully, it does not involve SHPO or other bureaucrats rubber stamping documents they don't fully understand.