Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 10:28     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should invest a little more in the tailoring than in performance enhancing drugs. Some of the Russian skating outfits were ill-fitting. Anna's loose crossovers on the back of hers were driving me crazy. Trusova had some strange gaps in her outfit that just seemed off. I thought the Lion King outfit was gorgeous as was the outfit for the bronze medalist.


Well tbh Russia has never exceled in costuming. It is always on the side of garish even for figure skating. That's why G&G black and white monastic outfits were so striking in 1994.


I've noticed the Russians also like extras like gloves. I don't know if the gloves actually have a function (help them stay warm? help if they have to put a hand down on the ice?)
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 10:22     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should invest a little more in the tailoring than in performance enhancing drugs. Some of the Russian skating outfits were ill-fitting. Anna's loose crossovers on the back of hers were driving me crazy. Trusova had some strange gaps in her outfit that just seemed off. I thought the Lion King outfit was gorgeous as was the outfit for the bronze medalist.


The whole Lion King performance was amazing.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 10:21     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should invest a little more in the tailoring than in performance enhancing drugs. Some of the Russian skating outfits were ill-fitting. Anna's loose crossovers on the back of hers were driving me crazy. Trusova had some strange gaps in her outfit that just seemed off. I thought the Lion King outfit was gorgeous as was the outfit for the bronze medalist.


Well tbh Russia has never exceled in costuming. It is always on the side of garish even for figure skating. That's why G&G black and white monastic outfits were so striking in 1994.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 10:20     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Here is a very thoughtful longread on the Russian approach to training with quotes from multiple coaches.

https://defector.com/how-american-women-fell-behind-in-skatings-quad-era/

Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 10:16     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Maybe they should invest a little more in the tailoring than in performance enhancing drugs. Some of the Russian skating outfits were ill-fitting. Anna's loose crossovers on the back of hers were driving me crazy. Trusova had some strange gaps in her outfit that just seemed off. I thought the Lion King outfit was gorgeous as was the outfit for the bronze medalist.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 10:13     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Notwithstanding is the fact that there shouldn’t be Russian athletes competing in these game AT ALL due to their horrendous doping and cheating.

The whole idea of a “Russian Olympic Committee” just to get these athletes into the Games is preposterous. Russians are cheaters.


Three quarters of the Sochi doping bans on Russian athletes were annulled on appeal with medal standings restore.

I don't know how to trust the enforcement system that is wrong 75% of the time.



The Russians literally had someone breaking into the lab to switch samples. I don't know how anyone can trust a country that embraces doping to that extent.


I mean, trust, don't trust, it's really up to you. This sport has a justice system and this justice system in Sochi was wrong 75% of the time.


Hi, Vlad!


Use facts please.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/01/cas-overturns-doping-decisions-on-28-russian-athletes.html

The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) has upheld appeals from 28 out of 39 Russian athletes who were given lifetime Olympic bans for doping violations at the 2014 Sochi Games, it said on Thursday.

CAS said that in the 28 cases, the sanctions imposed by the International Olympic Committee on the athletes had been annulled due to insufficient evidence and their results at the Sochi Olympics had been reinstated.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 10:10     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Kamila Valieva and her family and not Eteri are going to take the fall for this.

Especially since Kamila and her family are Tatars (a Muslim minority in Russia that faces a LOT of discrimination and persecution, there's actually a word for it, Tatarophobia).


That's ridiculous. First, Tatars are probably the least conservative of Russia's Muslim ethnicities. Second, there is a proud tradition of Tatar female athletes in performance sport, most notably rhythmic gymnastics and now figure skating. Alina Zagitova identifies as a Muslim (although clearly not observant or practicing). Kamila's faith, whatever it is, will not come into it at all.

Kamila will receive the hero's welcome in Russia.


+1
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 10:09     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Notwithstanding is the fact that there shouldn’t be Russian athletes competing in these game AT ALL due to their horrendous doping and cheating.

The whole idea of a “Russian Olympic Committee” just to get these athletes into the Games is preposterous. Russians are cheaters.


Three quarters of the Sochi doping bans on Russian athletes were annulled on appeal with medal standings restore.

I don't know how to trust the enforcement system that is wrong 75% of the time.



The Russians literally had someone breaking into the lab to switch samples. I don't know how anyone can trust a country that embraces doping to that extent.


I mean, trust, don't trust, it's really up to you. This sport has a justice system and this justice system in Sochi was wrong 75% of the time.


It's easy to win on appeal when you have the support of a nation state unwilling to cooperate with investigators and powerful enough to intimidate them.


CAS doesn't report to Russia. Again, you either trust the system or you do not, but it doesn't make sense to say I trust the parts of the system that are consistent with my belief system, and disregard the parts of the system that go against what I believe.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 10:09     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Notwithstanding is the fact that there shouldn’t be Russian athletes competing in these game AT ALL due to their horrendous doping and cheating.

The whole idea of a “Russian Olympic Committee” just to get these athletes into the Games is preposterous. Russians are cheaters.


Three quarters of the Sochi doping bans on Russian athletes were annulled on appeal with medal standings restore.

I don't know how to trust the enforcement system that is wrong 75% of the time.



The Russians literally had someone breaking into the lab to switch samples. I don't know how anyone can trust a country that embraces doping to that extent.


I mean, trust, don't trust, it's really up to you. This sport has a justice system and this justice system in Sochi was wrong 75% of the time.


Hi, Vlad!
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 10:09     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:Where can I find a replay of the skating performances? I found Sherbakova's but basically every YouTube video of the whole program has been removed.


NBC Olympics has videos of the top skaters (and the drama) in the videos section. I just watched Higuchi’s lion king program and it’s such a delightful 90s throwback in all the best ways!
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 10:08     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Kamila Valieva and her family and not Eteri are going to take the fall for this.

Especially since Kamila and her family are Tatars (a Muslim minority in Russia that faces a LOT of discrimination and persecution, there's actually a word for it, Tatarophobia).


That's ridiculous. First, Tatars are probably the least conservative of Russia's Muslim ethnicities. Second, there is a proud tradition of Tatar female athletes in performance sport, most notably rhythmic gymnastics and now figure skating. Alina Zagitova identifies as a Muslim (although clearly not observant or practicing). Kamila's faith, whatever it is, will not come into it at all.

Kamila will receive the hero's welcome in Russia.

Interesting. How about Eteri Tutberidze? What do they think of her after the final showdown?


Eteri is untouchable because she creates winners.


It’s going to be interesting to see how much effort the international entities put into investigating Eteri (IOC, WADA) and how far Russia goes to protect her. Yeah she produces winners but I don’t get the sense that she’s that well liked by the other Russian coaches.


She may not be but there's a line to her door around the block, and contrary to what people believe, NO ONE forces children to stay with her. On the contrary, she's very quick to expel skaters who don't work with her.

There are of course other coaches out there.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 10:08     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Notwithstanding is the fact that there shouldn’t be Russian athletes competing in these game AT ALL due to their horrendous doping and cheating.

The whole idea of a “Russian Olympic Committee” just to get these athletes into the Games is preposterous. Russians are cheaters.


Three quarters of the Sochi doping bans on Russian athletes were annulled on appeal with medal standings restore.

I don't know how to trust the enforcement system that is wrong 75% of the time.



The Russians literally had someone breaking into the lab to switch samples. I don't know how anyone can trust a country that embraces doping to that extent.


I mean, trust, don't trust, it's really up to you. This sport has a justice system and this justice system in Sochi was wrong 75% of the time.


It's easy to win on appeal when you have the support of a nation state unwilling to cooperate with investigators and powerful enough to intimidate them.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 10:06     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Notwithstanding is the fact that there shouldn’t be Russian athletes competing in these game AT ALL due to their horrendous doping and cheating.

The whole idea of a “Russian Olympic Committee” just to get these athletes into the Games is preposterous. Russians are cheaters.


Three quarters of the Sochi doping bans on Russian athletes were annulled on appeal with medal standings restore.

I don't know how to trust the enforcement system that is wrong 75% of the time.



The Russians literally had someone breaking into the lab to switch samples. I don't know how anyone can trust a country that embraces doping to that extent.


I mean, trust, don't trust, it's really up to you. This sport has a justice system and this justice system in Sochi was wrong 75% of the time.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 10:06     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Kamila Valieva and her family and not Eteri are going to take the fall for this.

Especially since Kamila and her family are Tatars (a Muslim minority in Russia that faces a LOT of discrimination and persecution, there's actually a word for it, Tatarophobia).


That's ridiculous. First, Tatars are probably the least conservative of Russia's Muslim ethnicities. Second, there is a proud tradition of Tatar female athletes in performance sport, most notably rhythmic gymnastics and now figure skating. Alina Zagitova identifies as a Muslim (although clearly not observant or practicing). Kamila's faith, whatever it is, will not come into it at all.

Kamila will receive the hero's welcome in Russia.

Interesting. How about Eteri Tutberidze? What do they think of her after the final showdown?


Eteri is untouchable because she creates winners.


It’s going to be interesting to see how much effort the international entities put into investigating Eteri (IOC, WADA) and how far Russia goes to protect her. Yeah she produces winners but I don’t get the sense that she’s that well liked by the other Russian coaches.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 10:04     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Notwithstanding is the fact that there shouldn’t be Russian athletes competing in these game AT ALL due to their horrendous doping and cheating.

The whole idea of a “Russian Olympic Committee” just to get these athletes into the Games is preposterous. Russians are cheaters.


Three quarters of the Sochi doping bans on Russian athletes were annulled on appeal with medal standings restore.

I don't know how to trust the enforcement system that is wrong 75% of the time.



The Russians literally had someone breaking into the lab to switch samples. I don't know how anyone can trust a country that embraces doping to that extent.