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Anonymous wrote:How could Langley not be mentioned in the CIP? The CIP covers every school in the county.

From the CIP:

“The anticipation of the completion of the Silver Line Metro has already spurred higher density residential growth along that corridor which may result in an increase in students within FCPS.

The FY 2022-26 CIP continues to include the construction of a new high school in the western area of the county to provide capacity relief for high schools in the Centreville, Chantilly, Herndon, Oakton, South Lakes, and Westfield areas.”

So you’re only referring to Langley not being mentioned in the CIP in connection with the construction of a new high school in the western area of the county?

Got it.

But the sentence you quote only refers to the overcrowding that may prompt them to build a new school. It doesn’t limit the schools that may end up in a boundary study before they open it. You’re putting too much weight on one sentence.

Langley doesn't need capacity relief, so it would not be in that sentence.
If a new western HS is built- their could be and probably should be ripple effects that push past those schools listed.

That list must include all the riffle effects. Building one new high school cannot directly impact six high schools. Also, Westfield doesn’t need the relief but was listed.

I understand the board may change their mind and include Langley once the school is built, but as of now Langley does not appear to be in the mix.

When they changed the South Lakes boundaries over a decade ago, it "directly impacted" South Lakes, Westfield, Oakton, Chantilly, and Madison. In other words, the boundaries of each of those five schools changed: Westfield, Oakton, and Madison all had areas moved to South Lakes, and part of Chantilly moved to Oakton as a result of part of Oakton moving to South Lakes.

If a simple boundary change can affect five high schools, then a brand-new high school could affect six or more, and it wouldn't necessarily be limited to those mentioned in some planning document a decade before the school opened.

People may object from being moved to a different school because the government decides their demographic is needed elsewhere.

Anonymous wrote: research shows that there are tipping points with school performance and poverty. Those tipping points are at 20% and 40% according to the study produced for the school board. Concentrating a lack of poverty has knock-on effects on the rest of the county. A board concerned with equity should look at distributing the poverty more evenly across schools

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How could Langley not be mentioned in the CIP? The CIP covers every school in the county.

From the CIP:

“The anticipation of the completion of the Silver Line Metro has already spurred higher density residential growth along that corridor which may result in an increase in students within FCPS.

The FY 2022-26 CIP continues to include the construction of a new high school in the western area of the county to provide capacity relief for high schools in the Centreville, Chantilly, Herndon, Oakton, South Lakes, and Westfield areas.”

So you’re only referring to Langley not being mentioned in the CIP in connection with the construction of a new high school in the western area of the county?

Got it.

But the sentence you quote only refers to the overcrowding that may prompt them to build a new school. It doesn’t limit the schools that may end up in a boundary study before they open it. You’re putting too much weight on one sentence.

Langley doesn't need capacity relief, so it would not be in that sentence.
If a new western HS is built- their could be and probably should be ripple effects that push past those schools listed.

That list must include all the riffle effects. Building one new high school cannot directly impact six high schools. Also, Westfield doesn’t need the relief but was listed.

I understand the board may change their mind and include Langley once the school is built, but as of now Langley does not appear to be in the mix.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

much better to keep kids with kids like them. Sure some schools are failing, sure are barely accredited and produce demostrably worse outcomes with absolutely no expectation of culture of success, but the don't have to ride buses. Separate but equal - maybe that can be the new FCPS motto

Then FCPS needs to fix the schools---but that requires effort and attention. Instead, they want to shift them to hide the problems.

But, I'm interested in how you would fix this. Specifically. Which neighborhoods would you move if you were on the School Board to fix this?

research shows that there are tipping points with school performance and poverty. Those tipping points are at 20% and 40% according to the study produced for the school board. Concentrating a lack of poverty has knock-on effects on the rest of the county. A board concerned with equity should look at distributing the poverty more evenly across schools. Of course everyone knows that will never happen

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Anonymous wrote:

I doubt less-advantaged populations are wringing their hands because they only have a few classmates with wealthier parents. Teachers, principals and staff still help the kids get a great education.

+1

Here kids, we're going to take you from your neighborhood with your crowded apartments and send you on a bus for where you have to get up earlier and ride thirty minutes minimum to a school where many kids have their own cars. Your job is to teach them what it is like to be poor.

Here are some real world examples:

You play football at your current school? Good you can play at your new, wealthy school. Oh, you don't have a car to get home from practice? That's okay. You won't miss playing football--you might get hurt anyway.

To another kid: you have to get home to watch your little brother after school--or get him ready for school in the morning? I'm sure your mom can work that out. Maybe, she can find a different job.

You may think this is a joke--but it is not. This could quickly solve the overcrowding problem. It's difficult enough already to keep these kids in school.

much better to keep kids with kids like them. Sure some schools are failing, sure are barely accredited and produce demostrably worse outcomes with absolutely no expectation of culture of success, but the don't have to ride buses. Separate but equal - maybe that can be the new FCPS motto

Anonymous wrote:

much better to keep kids with kids like them. Sure some schools are failing, sure are barely accredited and produce demostrably worse outcomes with absolutely no expectation of culture of success, but the don't have to ride buses. Separate but equal - maybe that can be the new FCPS motto

Then FCPS needs to fix the schools---but that requires effort and attention. Instead, they want to shift them to hide the problems.

But, I'm interested in how you would fix this. Specifically. Which neighborhoods would you move if you were on the School Board to fix this?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How could Langley not be mentioned in the CIP? The CIP covers every school in the county.

From the CIP:

“The anticipation of the completion of the Silver Line Metro has already spurred higher density residential growth along that corridor which may result in an increase in students within FCPS.

The FY 2022-26 CIP continues to include the construction of a new high school in the western area of the county to provide capacity relief for high schools in the Centreville, Chantilly, Herndon, Oakton, South Lakes, and Westfield areas.”

So you’re only referring to Langley not being mentioned in the CIP in connection with the construction of a new high school in the western area of the county?

Got it.

But the sentence you quote only refers to the overcrowding that may prompt them to build a new school. It doesn’t limit the schools that may end up in a boundary study before they open it. You’re putting too much weight on one sentence.

Langley doesn't need capacity relief, so it would not be in that sentence.
If a new western HS is built- their could be and probably should be ripple effects that push past those schools listed.

Anonymous wrote:We are now 7 pages into this thread (and about 468 pages into the other thread) and I still haven't seen one person actually claim (a) that they want Langley kids at their school or (b) that they want their kids redistricted to Langley.

Langley is in the most wealthy part of the county. No matter how you slice and dice the boundaries, it's still going to have a wealthy student population. Who cares?

much better to keep kids with kids like them. Sure some schools are failing, sure are barely accredited and produce demostrably worse outcomes with absolutely no expectation of culture of success, but the don't have to ride buses. Separate but equal - maybe that can be the new FCPS motto

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I doubt less-advantaged populations are wringing their hands because they only have a few classmates with wealthier parents. Teachers, principals and staff still help the kids get a great education.

+1

Here kids, we're going to take you from your neighborhood with your crowded apartments and send you on a bus for where you have to get up earlier and ride thirty minutes minimum to a school where many kids have their own cars. Your job is to teach them what it is like to be poor.

Here are some real world examples:

You play football at your current school? Good you can play at your new, wealthy school. Oh, you don't have a car to get home from practice? That's okay. You won't miss playing football--you might get hurt anyway.

To another kid: you have to get home to watch your little brother after school--or get him ready for school in the morning? I'm sure your mom can work that out. Maybe, she can find a different job.

You may think this is a joke--but it is not. This could quickly solve the overcrowding problem. It's difficult enough already to keep these kids in school.

much better to keep kids with kids like them. Sure some schools are failing, sure are barely accredited and produce demostrably worse outcomes with absolutely no expectation of culture of success, but the don't have to ride buses. Separate but equal - maybe that can be the new FCPS motto

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The racism and classism in this thread is just disgusting. Unless you are advocating for a boundary that will benefit someone other than your kids and your property values, just stop talking. When schools increase in diversity, it benefits every single child in that school.

I'm sorry but most people would never advocate for this. In the end, their interests are most important and they're not sacrificing what is likely their biggest financial asset (house value). That is reasonable. For people not wealthy, but comfortably UMC, it is not reasonable to ask that they sacrifice that. It's not.

But, I disagree that "diversity" automatically results in lower housing value. This area is tremendously diverse. And while some schools may be more white than others, mixing it up has to be an expectation now. That's for lots of reasons, including diversity goals.

Anonymous wrote:

I doubt less-advantaged populations are wringing their hands because they only have a few classmates with wealthier parents. Teachers, principals and staff still help the kids get a great education.

+1

Here kids, we're going to take you from your neighborhood with your crowded apartments and send you on a bus for where you have to get up earlier and ride thirty minutes minimum to a school where many kids have their own cars. Your job is to teach them what it is like to be poor.

Here are some real world examples:

You play football at your current school? Good you can play at your new, wealthy school. Oh, you don't have a car to get home from practice? That's okay. You won't miss playing football--you might get hurt anyway.

To another kid: you have to get home to watch your little brother after school--or get him ready for school in the morning? I'm sure your mom can work that out. Maybe, she can find a different job.

You may think this is a joke--but it is not. This could quickly solve the overcrowding problem. It's difficult enough already to keep these kids in school.