Anonymous
07/20/2021 14:15
Subject: Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:Serving the players at the lower incomes is difficult when all the higher income customers are siphoned off to the expensive clubs. I really don't see this changing unless the college coaches resist and refuse to recruit from leagues that only serve higher income players.
Whole different environment, I'm sure, but in my area of the Midwest, I've seen the (mostly) white rec teams just get dominated by the Latino teams in the community. The Latino families tend to not be as wealthy and/or spend their money on travel. So, they have more talent. Plus their coaches generally know the game better than the coaches on the non-Latino rec teams. And, the kids spend way more time watching and playing soccer in their free time.
Anonymous
07/20/2021 13:47
Subject: Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think people are just jealous, likely because other people have the money to drop on travel soccer, regardless of whether their kid is a very top player. FWIW, I don't understand why somone would buy a Ferrari when you can get a safe and reliable Subaru for much less money, because cars are not my thing and I have no use for or interest in whatever advantages a Ferrari would provide (for me personally, none). If soccer is not your thing, cool. But I don't dwell on it all day and put down people who want to buy a more expensive car.
Lol. Nobody is jealous about the expense of travel.
+1. I know many families with kids who COULD play on one of these many low level travel teams, and they can afford it, but choose not to. Lots of kids actually enjoy playing rec., or they want to play soccer and football, or what have you. No one is sitting around jealous that other families are driving all over the place for a $2000 soccer game their kid could have played at the park down the street for $100. I feel a little bad that this is how their families decided to spend their weekend time, but hey, free country.
Anonymous
07/20/2021 13:37
Subject: Re:Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents are paying thousands of $$$ to be on a mediocre travel soccer team. This is nothing like it used to be even just a few years ago where just to make a travel team was super competitive.
Seriously, why do you care how other people spend their money? Everyone has their own priorities. DH and I make a lot of money, we have one kid with learning disabilities, and travel soccer has been a great way for him to get exercise 4 times a week, feel confident about himself, and make friends on his team through increased repeated contact with this peer group.
People will defend travel sports no matter what. The comment above is absolutely right. Less money and time and more fun.
Wait a second. Rec costs about $200 per year ($100 per season), with a parent volunteer coach who may or may not know anything about soccer or dealing with kids. Travel soccer literally has eight times the field time per year compared to Rec soccer, which in theory would cost $1600 ($200 x 8) if run under the Rec program. So for an extra couple hundred bucks and team fees, you get professional coaches, better fields (usually), much better competition, access to futsal and travel camps, etc. So how is travel a rip off compared to rec?
I think we are being a little loose with the term professional coach. A former player/recent college graduate who does coaching part time to supplement income would not fall into my definition of professional. The reality is clubs usually have a handful of professional coaches (coaching the top teams) most of the other coaches aren’t any different than parents. This line about travel providing professional coaches is mostly BS. Better fields only come about because clubs don’t provide good fields to the rec league because they want parents to pay more for the travel programs. Competition is t always better in travel-in fact it can be a lot worse than rec. Travel being an opportunity to spend more on camps and futsal…please. What we need is a club that actually cares about the kids and focuses their attention on them instead of trying to enrich their staff members. Some of the oversight boards around here need to be overhauled.
And I think you are being a little loose in comparing Rex to travel at all. Rec is little more than a social club with kids who simply are just not good at soccer but might have been.
what age are your kids? Around u13, you start seeing kids dropping from travel to rec. In come cases they are burnt out, in others they have decided to prioritize a different sport(s) and sometimes just have just decided the time isn't worth it.
Anonymous
07/20/2021 13:19
Subject: Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:I think people are just jealous, likely because other people have the money to drop on travel soccer, regardless of whether their kid is a very top player. FWIW, I don't understand why somone would buy a Ferrari when you can get a safe and reliable Subaru for much less money, because cars are not my thing and I have no use for or interest in whatever advantages a Ferrari would provide (for me personally, none). If soccer is not your thing, cool. But I don't dwell on it all day and put down people who want to buy a more expensive car.
Lol. Nobody is jealous about the expense of travel.
Anonymous
07/20/2021 13:06
Subject: Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
I think people are just jealous, likely because other people have the money to drop on travel soccer, regardless of whether their kid is a very top player. FWIW, I don't understand why somone would buy a Ferrari when you can get a safe and reliable Subaru for much less money, because cars are not my thing and I have no use for or interest in whatever advantages a Ferrari would provide (for me personally, none). If soccer is not your thing, cool. But I don't dwell on it all day and put down people who want to buy a more expensive car.
Anonymous
07/20/2021 09:21
Subject: Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
The difference between my kids rec coaching and his travel team coaching has been night and day. Is the travel coach ready to take the Barca u17 team to the next level?
No, of course not, but it beats the hell out of a dad who played in college and still kicks the ball around.
No, of course not, but it beats the hell out of a dad who played in college and still kicks the ball around.
Anonymous
07/20/2021 09:16
Subject: Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:Holy Smokes, people!
Let people spend their hard-earn money they way they choose. It’s not your business at all whatever!
I think the dream of the OP is that kids who play travel “come to their senses” and play rec instead because they know the talent in rec sucks. They want travel quality soccer players with the convenience of rec.
Essentially, “play rec everyone because my kid is bored”.
Anonymous
07/20/2021 08:57
Subject: Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Holy Smokes, people!
Let people spend their hard-earn money they way they choose. It’s not your business at all whatever!
Let people spend their hard-earn money they way they choose. It’s not your business at all whatever!
Anonymous
07/20/2021 08:51
Subject: Re:Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents are paying thousands of $$$ to be on a mediocre travel soccer team. This is nothing like it used to be even just a few years ago where just to make a travel team was super competitive.
Seriously, why do you care how other people spend their money? Everyone has their own priorities. DH and I make a lot of money, we have one kid with learning disabilities, and travel soccer has been a great way for him to get exercise 4 times a week, feel confident about himself, and make friends on his team through increased repeated contact with this peer group.
People will defend travel sports no matter what. The comment above is absolutely right. Less money and time and more fun.
Wait a second. Rec costs about $200 per year ($100 per season), with a parent volunteer coach who may or may not know anything about soccer or dealing with kids. Travel soccer literally has eight times the field time per year compared to Rec soccer, which in theory would cost $1600 ($200 x 8) if run under the Rec program. So for an extra couple hundred bucks and team fees, you get professional coaches, better fields (usually), much better competition, access to futsal and travel camps, etc. So how is travel a rip off compared to rec?
I think we are being a little loose with the term professional coach. A former player/recent college graduate who does coaching part time to supplement income would not fall into my definition of professional. The reality is clubs usually have a handful of professional coaches (coaching the top teams) most of the other coaches aren’t any different than parents. This line about travel providing professional coaches is mostly BS. Better fields only come about because clubs don’t provide good fields to the rec league because they want parents to pay more for the travel programs. Competition is t always better in travel-in fact it can be a lot worse than rec. Travel being an opportunity to spend more on camps and futsal…please. What we need is a club that actually cares about the kids and focuses their attention on them instead of trying to enrich their staff members. Some of the oversight boards around here need to be overhauled.
And I think you are being a little loose in comparing Rex to travel at all. Rec is little more than a social club with kids who simply are just not good at soccer but might have been.
Most of the travel teams in the area are also basically social clubs who’s kids aren’t good players. At least the rec parents know not to drop a couple grand on the same product.
Anonymous
07/20/2021 07:36
Subject: Re:Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents are paying thousands of $$$ to be on a mediocre travel soccer team. This is nothing like it used to be even just a few years ago where just to make a travel team was super competitive.
Seriously, why do you care how other people spend their money? Everyone has their own priorities. DH and I make a lot of money, we have one kid with learning disabilities, and travel soccer has been a great way for him to get exercise 4 times a week, feel confident about himself, and make friends on his team through increased repeated contact with this peer group.
People will defend travel sports no matter what. The comment above is absolutely right. Less money and time and more fun.
Wait a second. Rec costs about $200 per year ($100 per season), with a parent volunteer coach who may or may not know anything about soccer or dealing with kids. Travel soccer literally has eight times the field time per year compared to Rec soccer, which in theory would cost $1600 ($200 x 8) if run under the Rec program. So for an extra couple hundred bucks and team fees, you get professional coaches, better fields (usually), much better competition, access to futsal and travel camps, etc. So how is travel a rip off compared to rec?
I think we are being a little loose with the term professional coach. A former player/recent college graduate who does coaching part time to supplement income would not fall into my definition of professional. The reality is clubs usually have a handful of professional coaches (coaching the top teams) most of the other coaches aren’t any different than parents. This line about travel providing professional coaches is mostly BS. Better fields only come about because clubs don’t provide good fields to the rec league because they want parents to pay more for the travel programs. Competition is t always better in travel-in fact it can be a lot worse than rec. Travel being an opportunity to spend more on camps and futsal…please. What we need is a club that actually cares about the kids and focuses their attention on them instead of trying to enrich their staff members. Some of the oversight boards around here need to be overhauled.
And I think you are being a little loose in comparing Rex to travel at all. Rec is little more than a social club with kids who simply are just not good at soccer but might have been.
Anonymous
07/20/2021 07:20
Subject: Re:Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents are paying thousands of $$$ to be on a mediocre travel soccer team. This is nothing like it used to be even just a few years ago where just to make a travel team was super competitive.
Seriously, why do you care how other people spend their money? Everyone has their own priorities. DH and I make a lot of money, we have one kid with learning disabilities, and travel soccer has been a great way for him to get exercise 4 times a week, feel confident about himself, and make friends on his team through increased repeated contact with this peer group.
People will defend travel sports no matter what. The comment above is absolutely right. Less money and time and more fun.
Wait a second. Rec costs about $200 per year ($100 per season), with a parent volunteer coach who may or may not know anything about soccer or dealing with kids. Travel soccer literally has eight times the field time per year compared to Rec soccer, which in theory would cost $1600 ($200 x 8) if run under the Rec program. So for an extra couple hundred bucks and team fees, you get professional coaches, better fields (usually), much better competition, access to futsal and travel camps, etc. So how is travel a rip off compared to rec?
I think we are being a little loose with the term professional coach. A former player/recent college graduate who does coaching part time to supplement income would not fall into my definition of professional. The reality is clubs usually have a handful of professional coaches (coaching the top teams) most of the other coaches aren’t any different than parents. This line about travel providing professional coaches is mostly BS. Better fields only come about because clubs don’t provide good fields to the rec league because they want parents to pay more for the travel programs. Competition is t always better in travel-in fact it can be a lot worse than rec. Travel being an opportunity to spend more on camps and futsal…please. What we need is a club that actually cares about the kids and focuses their attention on them instead of trying to enrich their staff members. Some of the oversight boards around here need to be overhauled.
Anonymous
07/19/2021 17:50
Subject: Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
I think part of the answer is that it is more fun and more challenging when you are paired with a team of roughly equally interested and engaged kids - whether that means ENCL, MLS Next, or a fourth tier travel team. Rec has kids all over the spectrum, people who never show up, etc. It is fine for what it is, but my kids prefer travel, and it is in our budget. Plus multiple days of the week of strucured exercise is something I am all for.
Anonymous
07/19/2021 17:47
Subject: Re:Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Seriously, why do you care how other people spend their money? Everyone has their own priorities. DH and I make a lot of money, we have one kid with learning disabilities, and travel soccer has been a great way for him to get exercise 4 times a week, feel confident about himself, and make friends on his team through increased repeated contact with this peer group.
People will defend travel sports no matter what. The comment above is absolutely right. Less money and time and more fun.
You do you, it works for us, and we easily have the $, so why do you care?
Anonymous
07/19/2021 17:44
Subject: Re:Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents are paying thousands of $$$ to be on a mediocre travel soccer team. This is nothing like it used to be even just a few years ago where just to make a travel team was super competitive.
Seriously, why do you care how other people spend their money? Everyone has their own priorities. DH and I make a lot of money, we have one kid with learning disabilities, and travel soccer has been a great way for him to get exercise 4 times a week, feel confident about himself, and make friends on his team through increased repeated contact with this peer group.
People will defend travel sports no matter what. The comment above is absolutely right. Less money and time and more fun.
Wait a second. Rec costs about $200 per year ($100 per season), with a parent volunteer coach who may or may not know anything about soccer or dealing with kids. Travel soccer literally has eight times the field time per year compared to Rec soccer, which in theory would cost $1600 ($200 x 8) if run under the Rec program. So for an extra couple hundred bucks and team fees, you get professional coaches, better fields (usually), much better competition, access to futsal and travel camps, etc. So how is travel a rip off compared to rec?
Anonymous
07/19/2021 16:45
Subject: Re:Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents are paying thousands of $$$ to be on a mediocre travel soccer team. This is nothing like it used to be even just a few years ago where just to make a travel team was super competitive.
Seriously, why do you care how other people spend their money? Everyone has their own priorities. DH and I make a lot of money, we have one kid with learning disabilities, and travel soccer has been a great way for him to get exercise 4 times a week, feel confident about himself, and make friends on his team through increased repeated contact with this peer group.
People will defend travel sports no matter what. The comment above is absolutely right. Less money and time and more fun.
And yet both exist. What exactly is the problem?