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Anonymous wrote:Delta variant should not be taken lightly; there's evidence it is infecting even vaccinated adults. To wit, Israel recently reinstated an indoor mask mandate due to a wave of new infections. Apparently some 70% of those new infections were caused by the Delta variant, and about half of those cases affected people believed to have been fully vaccinated with Pfizer. Sure, the vaccine may prevent hospitalization and death, but infection still is quite possible, and there are long-haul symptoms that may endure for those who are. It seems likely that the rush to return to normalcy will bring about another waive, which could very well affect the vaccinated as well as unvaccinated. At this point, probably best to proceed with caution, as it's clear (in this country, anyways) each of us is on our own.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/vaccinated-people-account-for-half-of-new-covid-19-delta-cases-in-israeli-outbreak-11624624326

You'll note that WSJ had to correct this story because it was half of the adults who tested positive, not half of the cases. And adults were only one-half of cases overall. So 25% of people who tested positive had been vaccinated. Most were asymptomatic, and none of them developed severe disease.

If you are concerned by Israel's statistics about vaccinated people getting infected you are suffering from what's known as the "base rate fallacy". Since the Pfizer vaccine is 95% effective at preventing symptomatic infection, if you have a pool of people that is 95% vaccinated, and 5% not, you would expect the same number of people to become infected in both groups. That does not mean that the vaccine does not work.

Israel's adult population isn't 95% vaccinated (more like 80%), but the 95% figure was for symptomatic infection; Pfizer did not perform routine PCR testing on vaccinated individuals in an attempt to catch asymptomatic infections. In fact, the CDC recommends against testing vaccinated people who show no symptoms either on a routine basis or in response to an exposure. The reason is that PCR tests are extremely sensitive; they want to catch infections when the viral loads are low, so that people can quarantine. But in breakthrough infections of vaccinated people, the viral loads are usually too low to transmit, and will almost always stay that low.

So if you are vaccinated, you really don't have anything to be concerned about. Breakthrough infections for fully vaccinated people aren't going to cause "long covid" except in the rarest of rare cases. You're more likely to get hit by a car or suffer any of dozens of other calamities; that's how low the risk is.

And note, that while the original tone of the coverage was that Israel was going back into lockdown in response to Delta, now the message is a bit different: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israel-delta-vaccine-shield-holding/2021/06/28/1ba865b2-d7e1-11eb-8c87-ad6f27918c78_story.html

Anonymous wrote:Delta variant should not be taken lightly; there's evidence it is infecting even vaccinated adults. To wit, Israel recently reinstated an indoor mask mandate due to a wave of new infections. Apparently some 70% of those new infections were caused by the Delta variant, and about half of those cases affected people believed to have been fully vaccinated with Pfizer. Sure, the vaccine may prevent hospitalization and death, but infection still is quite possible, and there are long-haul symptoms that may endure for those who are. It seems likely that the rush to return to normalcy will bring about another waive, which could very well affect the vaccinated as well as unvaccinated. At this point, probably best to proceed with caution, as it's clear (in this country, anyways) each of us is on our own.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/vaccinated-people-account-for-half-of-new-covid-19-delta-cases-in-israeli-outbreak-11624624326

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/29/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html

Mask wearing is going to come back.

Not because vaccinated people need them, but because those who have chosen not to be vaccinated are not going to wear a mask voluntarily. Ironically, almost every adult you see wearing a mask these days is vaccinated. The unmasked could go either way.

How do you know whether a masked person is vaccinated or not.

Logically speaking - who would care enough about Covid to voluntarily wear a mask but not enough to go get vaccinated if qualified?

Which is why unfortunately, masks will probably be mandatory for everyone again.

A better strategy would be for people to be hit with enormous fines if they were found unvaccinated and unmasked. Children/Teens who are eligible for vaccination and don't get them should be automatically assigned to virtual school.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/29/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html

Mask wearing is going to come back.

Not because vaccinated people need them, but because those who have chosen not to be vaccinated are not going to wear a mask voluntarily. Ironically, almost every adult you see wearing a mask these days is vaccinated. The unmasked could go either way.

How do you know whether a masked person is vaccinated or not.

Logically speaking - who would care enough about Covid to voluntarily wear a mask but not enough to go get vaccinated if qualified?

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Anonymous wrote:Delta variant should not be taken lightly; there's evidence it is infecting even vaccinated adults. To wit, Israel recently reinstated an indoor mask mandate due to a wave of new infections. Apparently some 70% of those new infections were caused by the Delta variant, and about half of those cases affected people believed to have been fully vaccinated with Pfizer. Sure, the vaccine may prevent hospitalization and death, but infection still is quite possible, and there are long-haul symptoms that may endure for those who are. It seems likely that the rush to return to normalcy will bring about another waive, which could very well affect the vaccinated as well as unvaccinated. At this point, probably best to proceed with caution, as it's clear (in this country, anyways) each of us is on our own.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/vaccinated-people-account-for-half-of-new-covid-19-delta-cases-in-israeli-outbreak-11624624326

This. The death toll in unvaxxed states will be climbing by December.

Anonymous wrote:If "experts" keep saying that being vaccinated doesn't matter against the variants, why would anyone else get vaccinated. I don't understand the PR strategy here.

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Anonymous wrote:It's hitting in 7-14 days. Stay aware, mask up and plan for lock downs again end of summer. The vaccinated need masks again so there's that. It's a ticking time bomb.

I did my part and got vaccinated, so I’m done and over it. And I’m sure I’m not alone.

We did our part too, but I am going to throw hands if these unvaccinated idiots cause my kids to miss another year of high school and college.

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Anonymous wrote:It's hitting in 7-14 days. Stay aware, mask up and plan for lock downs again end of summer. The vaccinated need masks again so there's that. It's a ticking time bomb.

I did my part and got vaccinated, so I’m done and over it. And I’m sure I’m not alone.

Anonymous wrote:Delta variant replies to OP...

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Anonymous wrote:It's hitting in 7-14 days. Stay aware, mask up and plan for lock downs again end of summer. The vaccinated need masks again so there's that. It's a ticking time bomb. [/quote
Snort.