Anonymous wrote:The integrated approach to algebra/geometry/algebra II sounds a lot like Russian approaches to math education which are arguably more successful than US. I'm not convinced by the alarmists who are saying this is dumbing things down.

In the Russian educational system there are two separate subjects (algebra and geometry), which are taught in parallel (but separately) over many years. The so-called “algebra” includes precalculus and calculus in the last 2-3 years of secondary school (the secondary education ends earlier, as the typical graduation age is 16-17). Some topics covered in algebra 2 (like complex numbers) are not covered in that, but geometry is covered at a much greater depth than in the U.S., as instead of one core math class, students each year take two core math classes (“algebra” AND “geometry”)..

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Anonymous wrote:To get VMPI scrapped completely, we need to organize politically.

Wow - some people must really hate data science to organize politically against it.

Losers.

As an econometrician, I have to say that data science presented to middling high school students is likely to be complete bullshit.

Apparently, math curricula needs to be revised every seven years and outcomes seem to get worse and worse. Hmm... There has to be some solution to this conundrum.

And yet math scores on a range of standardized math scores are not declining...

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Anonymous wrote:To get VMPI scrapped completely, we need to organize politically.

Wow - some people must really hate data science to organize politically against it.

Losers.

As an econometrician, I have to say that data science presented to middling high school students is likely to be complete bullshit.

Apparently, math curricula needs to be revised every seven years and outcomes seem to get worse and worse. Hmm... There has to be some solution to this conundrum.

Communists love econometrics!!!

FIGHT THOSE COMMUNISTS!!! ORGANIZE NOW!!!

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Anonymous wrote:To get VMPI scrapped completely, we need to organize politically.

Wow - some people must really hate data science to organize politically against it.

Losers.

As an econometrician, I have to say that data science presented to middling high school students is likely to be complete bullshit.

Apparently, math curricula needs to be revised every seven years and outcomes seem to get worse and worse. Hmm... There has to be some solution to this conundrum.

Anonymous wrote:To get VMPI scrapped completely, we need to organize politically.

Wow - some people must really hate data science to organize politically against it.

Losers.

Anonymous wrote:The integrated approach to algebra/geometry/algebra II sounds a lot like Russian approaches to math education which are arguably more successful than US. I'm not convinced by the alarmists who are saying this is dumbing things down.

The GOP is just trying to stir up votes.

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They're the ones who said Algebra 2 isn't necessary for everyone in high school, that alternative classes should be offered.

That doesn't mean they are completely eliminating the A2 concepts.

Those who want to take it (on the calculus track) will be able to take it.

Looks like you are acknowledging that I am right. The default path that they are claiming includes algebra 2, will actually be weaker.

I'm saying it will be somewhere. Does it really matter which specific course if the kids who want to take it can take it?

The integrated approach to algebra/geometry/algebra II sounds a lot like Russian approaches to math education which are arguably more successful than US. I'm not convinced by the alarmists who are saying this is dumbing things down.

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Anonymous wrote:[
They're the ones who said Algebra 2 isn't necessary for everyone in high school, that alternative classes should be offered.

That doesn't mean they are completely eliminating the A2 concepts.

Those who want to take it (on the calculus track) will be able to take it.

Looks like you are acknowledging that I am right. The default path that they are claiming includes algebra 2, will actually be weaker.

To get VMPI scrapped completely, we need to organize politically.

And get arrested if you are lucky.

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Anonymous wrote:This is your periodic reminder that arguing about this with anonymous posters on a message board who are entrenched in their positions does nothing.

If you are concerned, interact with Tina and other people working on VMPI. Interact with your general assembly members to make sure they are overseeing the process. Interact with your school board to make sure they are being forthcoming about any changes.

VMPI: https://www.doe.virginia.gov/instruction/mathematics/vmpi/index.shtml (contact at the bottom)
State Legislators: https://whosmy.virginiageneralassembly.gov/
School board FCPS: https://fcpsinfo.fcps.edu/fcps-portal/sbportal_login.jsp

Because it is so very effective arguing with bureaucrats who are entrenched in their positions.
At least I can get away with an occasional obscenity on DCUM.

If enough people yell (and at the local and state level you can actually get enough people - nationally it's a lot harder), yes, you can argue with the educrats.

Anonymous wrote:This is your periodic reminder that arguing about this with anonymous posters on a message board who are entrenched in their positions does nothing.

If you are concerned, interact with Tina and other people working on VMPI. Interact with your general assembly members to make sure they are overseeing the process. Interact with your school board to make sure they are being forthcoming about any changes.

VMPI: https://www.doe.virginia.gov/instruction/mathematics/vmpi/index.shtml (contact at the bottom)
State Legislators: https://whosmy.virginiageneralassembly.gov/
School board FCPS: https://fcpsinfo.fcps.edu/fcps-portal/sbportal_login.jsp

Because it is so very effective arguing with bureaucrats who are entrenched in their positions.
At least I can get away with an occasional obscenity on DCUM.

Anonymous wrote:This is your periodic reminder that arguing about this with anonymous posters on a message board who are entrenched in their positions does nothing.

If you are concerned, interact with Tina and other people working on VMPI. Interact with your general assembly members to make sure they are overseeing the process. Interact with your school board to make sure they are being forthcoming about any changes.

VMPI: https://www.doe.virginia.gov/instruction/mathematics/vmpi/index.shtml (contact at the bottom)
State Legislators: https://whosmy.virginiageneralassembly.gov/
School board FCPS: https://fcpsinfo.fcps.edu/fcps-portal/sbportal_login.jsp

Exactly. Please don't make up wild "what if" scenarios with zero basis in reality.

This is your periodic reminder that arguing about this with anonymous posters on a message board who are entrenched in their positions does nothing.

If you are concerned, interact with Tina and other people working on VMPI. Interact with your general assembly members to make sure they are overseeing the process. Interact with your school board to make sure they are being forthcoming about any changes.

VMPI: https://www.doe.virginia.gov/instruction/mathematics/vmpi/index.shtml (contact at the bottom)
State Legislators: https://whosmy.virginiageneralassembly.gov/
School board FCPS: https://fcpsinfo.fcps.edu/fcps-portal/sbportal_login.jsp