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Anonymous wrote:Thr Lancet just published an analysis of multiple studies in the subject: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00582-1/fulltext

"The consistency of these findings indicates that physical punishment is harmful to children and that policy remedies are warranted."

those are never controlled studies. they never account for context and application.

Yeah neither did the studies that showed SIDS rates fall when you put kids on their back to sleep and yet I assume you did that?

If you want to hit your kids, just say you want to hit your kids as your preferred form of discipline. Don’t try to pretty it up by saying you’re “swatting” them or try to claim any intellectual rigor by discounting the various studies that refute it. Own your choices.

huh?

https://safetosleep.nichd.nih.gov/activities/SIDS/progress

there's a definite measurable difference.

the spanking "studies" are scientific garbage.

The critique is that they don’t control for “context” . Measurable differences are observed in hit vs. not hit kids as well.

that was but one of many, many legitimate critiques. and the problem with your measurable differences is that it's correlative. You could measure similar differences in outcome between kids who live in 8,000 square houses vs. small apartments.

Studies control for socioeconomic factors. You're making up nonexistent problems and using it to dismiss studies. This is a well studied issue and multiple organizations recommend against corporal punishment based in the research.

show me the spanking studies that control for socioeconomic background.

DP. I poster articles on PCIT which demonstrates superiority to treatment-as-usual.

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Anonymous wrote:Thr Lancet just published an analysis of multiple studies in the subject: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00582-1/fulltext

"The consistency of these findings indicates that physical punishment is harmful to children and that policy remedies are warranted."

those are never controlled studies. they never account for context and application.

Yeah neither did the studies that showed SIDS rates fall when you put kids on their back to sleep and yet I assume you did that?

If you want to hit your kids, just say you want to hit your kids as your preferred form of discipline. Don’t try to pretty it up by saying you’re “swatting” them or try to claim any intellectual rigor by discounting the various studies that refute it. Own your choices.

huh?

https://safetosleep.nichd.nih.gov/activities/SIDS/progress

there's a definite measurable difference.

the spanking "studies" are scientific garbage.

The critique is that they don’t control for “context” . Measurable differences are observed in hit vs. not hit kids as well.

that was but one of many, many legitimate critiques. and the problem with your measurable differences is that it's correlative. You could measure similar differences in outcome between kids who live in 8,000 square houses vs. small apartments.

Studies control for socioeconomic factors. You're making up nonexistent problems and using it to dismiss studies. This is a well studied issue and multiple organizations recommend against corporal punishment based in the research.

show me the spanking studies that control for socioeconomic background.

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Anonymous wrote:Thr Lancet just published an analysis of multiple studies in the subject: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00582-1/fulltext

"The consistency of these findings indicates that physical punishment is harmful to children and that policy remedies are warranted."

those are never controlled studies. they never account for context and application.

Yeah neither did the studies that showed SIDS rates fall when you put kids on their back to sleep and yet I assume you did that?

If you want to hit your kids, just say you want to hit your kids as your preferred form of discipline. Don’t try to pretty it up by saying you’re “swatting” them or try to claim any intellectual rigor by discounting the various studies that refute it. Own your choices.

huh?

https://safetosleep.nichd.nih.gov/activities/SIDS/progress

there's a definite measurable difference.

the spanking "studies" are scientific garbage.

The critique is that they don’t control for “context” . Measurable differences are observed in hit vs. not hit kids as well.

that was but one of many, many legitimate critiques. and the problem with your measurable differences is that it's correlative. You could measure similar differences in outcome between kids who live in 8,000 square houses vs. small apartments.

Studies control for socioeconomic factors. You're making up nonexistent problems and using it to dismiss studies. This is a well studied issue and multiple organizations recommend against corporal punishment based in the research.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thr Lancet just published an analysis of multiple studies in the subject: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00582-1/fulltext

"The consistency of these findings indicates that physical punishment is harmful to children and that policy remedies are warranted."

those are never controlled studies. they never account for context and application.

Yeah neither did the studies that showed SIDS rates fall when you put kids on their back to sleep and yet I assume you did that?

If you want to hit your kids, just say you want to hit your kids as your preferred form of discipline. Don’t try to pretty it up by saying you’re “swatting” them or try to claim any intellectual rigor by discounting the various studies that refute it. Own your choices.

huh?

https://safetosleep.nichd.nih.gov/activities/SIDS/progress

there's a definite measurable difference.

the spanking "studies" are scientific garbage.

The critique is that they don’t control for “context” . Measurable differences are observed in hit vs. not hit kids as well.

that was but one of many, many legitimate critiques. and the problem with your measurable differences is that it's correlative. You could measure similar differences in outcome between kids who live in 8,000 square houses vs. small apartments.

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Anonymous wrote:Thr Lancet just published an analysis of multiple studies in the subject: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00582-1/fulltext

"The consistency of these findings indicates that physical punishment is harmful to children and that policy remedies are warranted."

those are never controlled studies. they never account for context and application.

Yeah neither did the studies that showed SIDS rates fall when you put kids on their back to sleep and yet I assume you did that?

If you want to hit your kids, just say you want to hit your kids as your preferred form of discipline. Don’t try to pretty it up by saying you’re “swatting” them or try to claim any intellectual rigor by discounting the various studies that refute it. Own your choices.

huh?

https://safetosleep.nichd.nih.gov/activities/SIDS/progress

there's a definite measurable difference.

the spanking "studies" are scientific garbage.

The critique is that they don’t control for “context” . Measurable differences are observed in hit vs. not hit kids as well.

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Anonymous wrote:I personally think the main reason kids these days are more defiant is because they have never been spanked.

There is a fine line between abuse and discipline.
It is a parent’s responsibility to draw this line in the sand.

I do not think kids are more defiant. Boomers are the biggest group of defiant crazies. Kids these days are a huge improvement over that generation that was regularly hit.

Right. And I can see the clear impact of the family transmission of aggression in my own family. One reason why I am so against spanking is that I want to cut it off for my DS's generation.

The behavior of a child doesn’t cause an adult to do anything. An adult chooses to spank or not spank. An adult chooses to use ineffective forms of punishment or effective ones. An adult chooses to allow a child to upset them or to realize that young children do not have sufficiently developed brains to remember to do what their parents tell them to do and to completely grasp the concept of actions leading to consequences.

This is all on the adult, not the child. The adult has all the power.

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Anonymous wrote:Thr Lancet just published an analysis of multiple studies in the subject: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00582-1/fulltext

"The consistency of these findings indicates that physical punishment is harmful to children and that policy remedies are warranted."

those are never controlled studies. they never account for context and application.

Yeah neither did the studies that showed SIDS rates fall when you put kids on their back to sleep and yet I assume you did that?

If you want to hit your kids, just say you want to hit your kids as your preferred form of discipline. Don’t try to pretty it up by saying you’re “swatting” them or try to claim any intellectual rigor by discounting the various studies that refute it. Own your choices.

well there actually IS a RCT showing that a non-violent therapy to improve parenting skills (PCIT) is superior to "treatment as usual." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5021353/

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Anonymous wrote:Thr Lancet just published an analysis of multiple studies in the subject: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00582-1/fulltext

"The consistency of these findings indicates that physical punishment is harmful to children and that policy remedies are warranted."

those are never controlled studies. they never account for context and application.

Yeah neither did the studies that showed SIDS rates fall when you put kids on their back to sleep and yet I assume you did that?

If you want to hit your kids, just say you want to hit your kids as your preferred form of discipline. Don’t try to pretty it up by saying you’re “swatting” them or try to claim any intellectual rigor by discounting the various studies that refute it. Own your choices.

huh?

https://safetosleep.nichd.nih.gov/activities/SIDS/progress

there's a definite measurable difference.

the spanking "studies" are scientific garbage.

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Anonymous wrote:Thr Lancet just published an analysis of multiple studies in the subject: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00582-1/fulltext

"The consistency of these findings indicates that physical punishment is harmful to children and that policy remedies are warranted."

those are never controlled studies. they never account for context and application.

Yeah neither did the studies that showed SIDS rates fall when you put kids on their back to sleep and yet I assume you did that?

If you want to hit your kids, just say you want to hit your kids as your preferred form of discipline. Don’t try to pretty it up by saying you’re “swatting” them or try to claim any intellectual rigor by discounting the various studies that refute it. Own your choices.

I just don't get people.

American Academy of Pediatrics says not to spank: https://www.aappublications.org/news/2018/11/05/discipline110518

Psychologists say not to spank: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/great-kids-great-parents/202011/why-does-the-us-still-permit-the-physical-punishment-children

If you're ignoring experts and science and basing off "I feel" statements, frankly you come off like an anti vaxxer to me.

Anonymous wrote:I personally think the main reason kids these days are more defiant is because they have never been spanked.

There is a fine line between abuse and discipline.
It is a parent’s responsibility to draw this line in the sand.

Wow, yikes, no. I don't try to toe the line between discipline and abuse in my parenting. That's pretty dark that you consider this your rubric.

I have dealt with rather serious behavioral issues in my child. We got therapy and I learned how to implement behavioral methods that totally turned things around. It required a lot of learning and humility on my part.

Anonymous wrote:I personally think the main reason kids these days are more defiant is because they have never been spanked.

There is a fine line between abuse and discipline.
It is a parent’s responsibility to draw this line in the sand.

I do not think kids are more defiant. Boomers are the biggest group of defiant crazies. Kids these days are a huge improvement over that generation that was regularly hit.

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Anonymous wrote:big safety issues, repeated/blatant defiance, repeated lying

Doesn’t sound like it’s working.

yeah this sounds like someone heavily reliant on corporal punishment far beyond the “swat on the bottom for running in the street” stage.

no, the opposite. it was spanking that would ultimately work if and after other remedies failed.

I seriously doubt that PPs who advocate for spanking try all other remedies. They are likely spanking because it's an easy and instinctual way to get compliance in the moment, and satisfy the adult's motivation to punish.

Anonymous wrote:I personally think the main reason kids these days are more defiant is because they have never been spanked.

There is a fine line between abuse and discipline.
It is a parent’s responsibility to draw this line in the sand.

ITA