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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a fan of Glennon Doyle or Brene Brown. BUT I know that lots of people adore them. They fill a need. Just not my need.

My mother in law adores Glennon.

They fill a need, which is to make everything a matter of personal choice and thus not the fault of structural inequities. It's great not to feel helpless, but these woman are encouraging other women to roar and rebel in ways the ruling class finds acceptable, then sit back down.

I can see why someone from an older, MIL generation would like it. It's comfortable. It claims not to be, but at its foundation, it is about preserving the overall status quo with just a few tweaks

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a fan of Glennon Doyle or Brene Brown. BUT I know that lots of people adore them. They fill a need. Just not my need.

My mother in law adores Glennon.

They fill a need, which is to make everything a matter of personal choice and thus not the fault of structural inequities. It's great not to feel helpless, but these woman are encouraging other women to roar and rebel in ways the ruling class finds acceptable, then sit back down.

I can see why someone from an older, MIL generation would like it. It's comfortable. It claims not to be, but at its foundation, it is about preserving the overall status quo with just a few tweaks

Anonymous wrote:I'm not a fan of Glennon Doyle or Brene Brown. BUT I know that lots of people adore them. They fill a need. Just not my need.

My mother in law adores Glennon.

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished untamed. You would not take me to be someone who would fan girl or love GD or her books.
But I'm 37 with a 3 year old, an underemployed lazy husband, and I've had doubts about so many things for years in this marriage.
I have suppressed my thoughts and bitten my tongue. I have stayed up doing things for my family while my husband lounges/sleeps in.
I am a person who hates live laugh love mugs and #mombosswarrior culture.
After reading untamed, I have found my voice. Or rather, rediscovered it. I have found the courage to start speaking up again about things that do not serve me. Dynamics that are unfair.
I am no longer afraid to point out and address the truth, even if it makes people uncomfortable.
This expression is corny, but after reading the book, I felt seen.

I actually had a similar shift after reading one of her older books. I think in a way it saved my marriage.

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished untamed. You would not take me to be someone who would fan girl or love GD or her books.
But I'm 37 with a 3 year old, an underemployed lazy husband, and I've had doubts about so many things for years in this marriage.
I have suppressed my thoughts and bitten my tongue. I have stayed up doing things for my family while my husband lounges/sleeps in.
I am a person who hates live laugh love mugs and #mombosswarrior culture.
After reading untamed, I have found my voice. Or rather, rediscovered it. I have found the courage to start speaking up again about things that do not serve me. Dynamics that are unfair.
I am no longer afraid to point out and address the truth, even if it makes people uncomfortable.
This expression is corny, but after reading the book, I felt seen.

I actually had a similar shift after reading one of her older books. I think in a way it saved my marriage.

Anonymous wrote:I just finished untamed. You would not take me to be someone who would fan girl or love GD or her books.
But I'm 37 with a 3 year old, an underemployed lazy husband, and I've had doubts about so many things for years in this marriage.
I have suppressed my thoughts and bitten my tongue. I have stayed up doing things for my family while my husband lounges/sleeps in.
I am a person who hates live laugh love mugs and #mombosswarrior culture.
After reading untamed, I have found my voice. Or rather, rediscovered it. I have found the courage to start speaking up again about things that do not serve me. Dynamics that are unfair.
I am no longer afraid to point out and address the truth, even if it makes people uncomfortable.
This expression is corny, but after reading the book, I felt seen.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to find mommy and inspirational bloggers to be a guilty pleasure - like Glennon Doyle, Brenee Brown, etc. But now I just can't really get anything out of it because it's so clear they are messed up personally.

I never got the enormous appeal of brenee brown, probably because she reminds me of many other ph.d.'s in the psychology field and personally she always struck me as thin skinned, defensive and insecure. She seems to have softened but star quality and the enormous national stage she commands? Baffled. I think personally she probably struggles with it too...I have known other clinicians and faculty/researchers who are so wise, warm and charismatic. Life is funny, these things don't always square.

I can't with Brene Brown either. Ugh.

A few points: Brene Brown is a social worker, not a psychologist. She also has a Ph.D. and a legitimate faculty appointment at an actual university. Finding her style grating is a matter of personal preference, but it's not the same as someone like Glennon Doyle, who has no robust credentials in anything while putting forth the illusion of expertise. That may be part of her charm, in the way that some people find Sarah Palin or Kim Kardashian charming: they're complete BS artists. It's one thing to find people like that entertaining, but thinking they provide actual expert advice in things that matter is troubling. Hard pass.

But whether their advice is actually "expert" or not, if someone finds it helpful, what does it matter? What's the actual harm?

You don't see an issue with people following the advice of someone with no legitimate credentials on a topic? Plenty of things can "seem" helpful that actually aren't. Our country has a weird fixation with ignoring actual experts and thinking they know best, to no one's benefit.

I think it's weird to gatekeep what's helpful and what isn't based on academic credentials.

Also note that Brene Brown loves Glennon Doyle, so there's that.

Isn't Glennon's shtick pretty much about listening to your inner voice, or something along those lines? I'm all for credentials when it comes to health or investment advice, but that?

Why did you choose my comment to reply to in order to make this statement? If you think even academic credentials aren’t enough to take seriously the idea of “listening to your inner voice” then you’re not even gatekeeping, you’re just trashing the whole idea.

I was agreeing with you.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to find mommy and inspirational bloggers to be a guilty pleasure - like Glennon Doyle, Brenee Brown, etc. But now I just can't really get anything out of it because it's so clear they are messed up personally.

I never got the enormous appeal of brenee brown, probably because she reminds me of many other ph.d.'s in the psychology field and personally she always struck me as thin skinned, defensive and insecure. She seems to have softened but star quality and the enormous national stage she commands? Baffled. I think personally she probably struggles with it too...I have known other clinicians and faculty/researchers who are so wise, warm and charismatic. Life is funny, these things don't always square.

I can't with Brene Brown either. Ugh.

A few points: Brene Brown is a social worker, not a psychologist. She also has a Ph.D. and a legitimate faculty appointment at an actual university. Finding her style grating is a matter of personal preference, but it's not the same as someone like Glennon Doyle, who has no robust credentials in anything while putting forth the illusion of expertise. That may be part of her charm, in the way that some people find Sarah Palin or Kim Kardashian charming: they're complete BS artists. It's one thing to find people like that entertaining, but thinking they provide actual expert advice in things that matter is troubling. Hard pass.

But whether their advice is actually "expert" or not, if someone finds it helpful, what does it matter? What's the actual harm?

You don't see an issue with people following the advice of someone with no legitimate credentials on a topic? Plenty of things can "seem" helpful that actually aren't. Our country has a weird fixation with ignoring actual experts and thinking they know best, to no one's benefit.

I think it's weird to gatekeep what's helpful and what isn't based on academic credentials.

Also note that Brene Brown loves Glennon Doyle, so there's that.

Isn't Glennon's shtick pretty much about listening to your inner voice, or something along those lines? I'm all for credentials when it comes to health or investment advice, but that?

Why did you choose my comment to reply to in order to make this statement? If you think even academic credentials aren’t enough to take seriously the idea of “listening to your inner voice” then you’re not even gatekeeping, you’re just trashing the whole idea.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to find mommy and inspirational bloggers to be a guilty pleasure - like Glennon Doyle, Brenee Brown, etc. But now I just can't really get anything out of it because it's so clear they are messed up personally.

I never got the enormous appeal of brenee brown, probably because she reminds me of many other ph.d.'s in the psychology field and personally she always struck me as thin skinned, defensive and insecure. She seems to have softened but star quality and the enormous national stage she commands? Baffled. I think personally she probably struggles with it too...I have known other clinicians and faculty/researchers who are so wise, warm and charismatic. Life is funny, these things don't always square.

I can't with Brene Brown either. Ugh.

A few points: Brene Brown is a social worker, not a psychologist. She also has a Ph.D. and a legitimate faculty appointment at an actual university. Finding her style grating is a matter of personal preference, but it's not the same as someone like Glennon Doyle, who has no robust credentials in anything while putting forth the illusion of expertise. That may be part of her charm, in the way that some people find Sarah Palin or Kim Kardashian charming: they're complete BS artists. It's one thing to find people like that entertaining, but thinking they provide actual expert advice in things that matter is troubling. Hard pass.

But whether their advice is actually "expert" or not, if someone finds it helpful, what does it matter? What's the actual harm?

You don't see an issue with people following the advice of someone with no legitimate credentials on a topic? Plenty of things can "seem" helpful that actually aren't. Our country has a weird fixation with ignoring actual experts and thinking they know best, to no one's benefit.

I think it's weird to gatekeep what's helpful and what isn't based on academic credentials.

Also note that Brene Brown loves Glennon Doyle, so there's that.

Isn't Glennon's shtick pretty much about listening to your inner voice, or something along those lines? I'm all for credentials when it comes to health or investment advice, but that?