Anonymous wrote:Elite colleges are overrated! We live in Montgomery County. We are surrounded by neighbors who went to Ivy Leagues, HYP, Duke , etc. None of them are any different from those who didn’t go to fancy colleges. Their lifestyle is not any better than other neighbors who went to state schools or no name schools. They work at the same places, go to the same restaurants, shop at the same stores. There is no difference. Plus there isn’t anything remotely impressive about the neighbors who went to fancy schools. Stop this nonsense about elitism and grow up!

Anonymous wrote:Not sure what some posters are talking about, UPenn and all that. Most ivy parents see other ivies as peers.

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Anonymous wrote:What does elite mean here?

Harvard, MIT, Stanford, and perhaps Princeton & Yale are elite.

Cornell, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Duke, etc. etc. are not.

And yes, even Harvard/MIT/Stanford/Princeton/Yale won't give your kid a $150k job, wealthy spouse (a 1950's reason to go to a elite school, but okay), and a wealthy, highly-connected friend group off the bat. And thank god for that.

The purpose of top schools is to have top professors and top students to learn from and compete with, and improve oneself in the process. Not a $150k job, wealthy spouse and highly-connected wealthy network.

What these schools do provide beyond the education though is a pedigree that lasts through 40+ years of one's careers, and certainly can come in handy down the line - if you want to use it.

As for the rest - Cornell, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Duke, etc., most people do not view these schools to be more "elite" than top state flagships like Berkeley, Michigan, etc. Most will consider these students to either be wealthy dumb kids (too dumb for HYPSM) or top middle-class kids, the same that attend top flagships.

Cornell, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Northwestern, and Duke ARE elite, and people recognize them as such. They may not be great economic deals for UMC families who pay full freight and have UVA, Michigan, or Berkeley as an in-state option, but for those who receive substantial grant-based financial aid or have enough money that full-freight doesn’t matter, these are awesome schools with a high-quality lifestyle experience. Yes, they are not HPYSM, but no one thinks these students are dumb rich kids or the equivalent of a Roll Tide graduate.

+1.

Cornell, USC, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, and Duke are good schools. Lori Loughlin bribed $500,000+ and risked 40 yrs behind bars to get her dumb (but rich) kids in to one of these. However, as good as they are, no one will confuse these schools for T5 ivies.

Literally laughed out loud. The only people who use the term "T5 Ivies" are UPenn grads, which explains the uninformed tirade on this entire thread.

Look, I understand you have a chip on your shoulder because your school always gets confused for a state school, but it's fine. As you inferred, the "top state flagships" are excellent, too, so there's no shame in being confused for one. It's just that it's a terrible look when you shart your biased and misinformed opinions all over the place.

POTUS Trump is a proud alum. No one says he got chips on his shoulder. If anything, he’s overconfident.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure what some posters are talking about, UPenn and all that. Most ivy parents see other ivies as peers.

Uh, yeah, except the poster on here who thinks schools like Cornell and Dartmouth aren't "elite."

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Anonymous wrote:What does elite mean here?

Harvard, MIT, Stanford, and perhaps Princeton & Yale are elite.

Cornell, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Duke, etc. etc. are not.

And yes, even Harvard/MIT/Stanford/Princeton/Yale won't give your kid a $150k job, wealthy spouse (a 1950's reason to go to a elite school, but okay), and a wealthy, highly-connected friend group off the bat. And thank god for that.

The purpose of top schools is to have top professors and top students to learn from and compete with, and improve oneself in the process. Not a $150k job, wealthy spouse and highly-connected wealthy network.

What these schools do provide beyond the education though is a pedigree that lasts through 40+ years of one's careers, and certainly can come in handy down the line - if you want to use it.

As for the rest - Cornell, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Duke, etc., most people do not view these schools to be more "elite" than top state flagships like Berkeley, Michigan, etc. Most will consider these students to either be wealthy dumb kids (too dumb for HYPSM) or top middle-class kids, the same that attend top flagships.

Cornell, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Northwestern, and Duke ARE elite, and people recognize them as such. They may not be great economic deals for UMC families who pay full freight and have UVA, Michigan, or Berkeley as an in-state option, but for those who receive substantial grant-based financial aid or have enough money that full-freight doesn’t matter, these are awesome schools with a high-quality lifestyle experience. Yes, they are not HPYSM, but no one thinks these students are dumb rich kids or the equivalent of a Roll Tide graduate.

+1.

Cornell, USC, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, and Duke are good schools. Lori Loughlin bribed $500,000+ and risked 40 yrs behind bars to get her dumb (but rich) kids in to one of these. However, as good as they are, no one will confuse these schools for T5 ivies.

Literally laughed out loud. The only people who use the term "T5 Ivies" are UPenn grads, which explains the uninformed tirade on this entire thread.

Look, I understand you have a chip on your shoulder because your school always gets confused for a state school, but it's fine. As you inferred, the "top state flagships" are excellent, too, so there's no shame in being confused for one. It's just that it's a terrible look when you shart your biased and misinformed opinions all over the place.

Anonymous wrote:Not sure what some posters are talking about, UPenn and all that. Most ivy parents see other ivies as peers.

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Anonymous wrote:What does elite mean here?

Harvard, MIT, Stanford, and perhaps Princeton & Yale are elite.

Cornell, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Duke, etc. etc. are not.

And yes, even Harvard/MIT/Stanford/Princeton/Yale won't give your kid a $150k job, wealthy spouse (a 1950's reason to go to a elite school, but okay), and a wealthy, highly-connected friend group off the bat. And thank god for that.

The purpose of top schools is to have top professors and top students to learn from and compete with, and improve oneself in the process. Not a $150k job, wealthy spouse and highly-connected wealthy network.

What these schools do provide beyond the education though is a pedigree that lasts through 40+ years of one's careers, and certainly can come in handy down the line - if you want to use it.

As for the rest - Cornell, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Duke, etc., most people do not view these schools to be more "elite" than top state flagships like Berkeley, Michigan, etc. Most will consider these students to either be wealthy dumb kids (too dumb for HYPSM) or top middle-class kids, the same that attend top flagships.

Cornell, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Northwestern, and Duke ARE elite, and people recognize them as such. They may not be great economic deals for UMC families who pay full freight and have UVA, Michigan, or Berkeley as an in-state option, but for those who receive substantial grant-based financial aid or have enough money that full-freight doesn’t matter, these are awesome schools with a high-quality lifestyle experience. Yes, they are not HPYSM, but no one thinks these students are dumb rich kids or the equivalent of a Roll Tide graduate.

+1.

Cornell, USC, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, and Duke are good schools. Lori Loughlin bribed $500,000+ and risked 40 yrs behind bars to get her dumb (but rich) kids in to one of these. However, as good as they are, no one will confuse these schools for T5 ivies.

T5 Ivies, LOL. HYPSM, yes, none of these schools are like HYPSM, and that's OK. They're still elite.

Also, don't know why you're grouping USC (or even Vanderbilt, if we're being strict) here. I get that you're trying to bolster your argument by muddying the waters, but it just makes you look dumb. It'd be like if I said Penn, Columbia, and WashU are all excellent schools, but aren't at the level of Harvard or Yale.

Why do folks on here argue incessantly about which schools are elite and which are not? No one cares if you think Vanderbilt is close to Ivy-equivalent or not. Your opinion at the end of the day doesn’t matter so think what you want but why post the same comment 100 times over?

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Anonymous wrote:What does elite mean here?

Harvard, MIT, Stanford, and perhaps Princeton & Yale are elite.

Cornell, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Duke, etc. etc. are not.

And yes, even Harvard/MIT/Stanford/Princeton/Yale won't give your kid a $150k job, wealthy spouse (a 1950's reason to go to a elite school, but okay), and a wealthy, highly-connected friend group off the bat. And thank god for that.

The purpose of top schools is to have top professors and top students to learn from and compete with, and improve oneself in the process. Not a $150k job, wealthy spouse and highly-connected wealthy network.

What these schools do provide beyond the education though is a pedigree that lasts through 40+ years of one's careers, and certainly can come in handy down the line - if you want to use it.

As for the rest - Cornell, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Duke, etc., most people do not view these schools to be more "elite" than top state flagships like Berkeley, Michigan, etc. Most will consider these students to either be wealthy dumb kids (too dumb for HYPSM) or top middle-class kids, the same that attend top flagships.

Cornell, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Northwestern, and Duke ARE elite, and people recognize them as such. They may not be great economic deals for UMC families who pay full freight and have UVA, Michigan, or Berkeley as an in-state option, but for those who receive substantial grant-based financial aid or have enough money that full-freight doesn’t matter, these are awesome schools with a high-quality lifestyle experience. Yes, they are not HPYSM, but no one thinks these students are dumb rich kids or the equivalent of a Roll Tide graduate.

+1.

Cornell, USC, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, and Duke are good schools. Lori Loughlin bribed $500,000+ and risked 40 yrs behind bars to get her dumb (but rich) kids in to one of these. However, as good as they are, no one will confuse these schools for T5 ivies.

T5 Ivies, LOL. HYPSM, yes, none of these schools are like HYPSM, and that's OK. They're still elite.

Also, don't know why you're grouping USC (or even Vanderbilt, if we're being strict) here. I get that you're trying to bolster your argument by muddying the waters, but it just makes you look dumb. It'd be like if I said Penn, Columbia, and WashU are all excellent schools, but aren't at the level of Harvard or Yale.

Dumb but rich kids can survive at USC. They need to be willing to pay for their degrees.

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Anonymous wrote:What does elite mean here?

Harvard, MIT, Stanford, and perhaps Princeton & Yale are elite.

Cornell, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Duke, etc. etc. are not.

And yes, even Harvard/MIT/Stanford/Princeton/Yale won't give your kid a $150k job, wealthy spouse (a 1950's reason to go to a elite school, but okay), and a wealthy, highly-connected friend group off the bat. And thank god for that.

The purpose of top schools is to have top professors and top students to learn from and compete with, and improve oneself in the process. Not a $150k job, wealthy spouse and highly-connected wealthy network.

What these schools do provide beyond the education though is a pedigree that lasts through 40+ years of one's careers, and certainly can come in handy down the line - if you want to use it.

As for the rest - Cornell, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Duke, etc., most people do not view these schools to be more "elite" than top state flagships like Berkeley, Michigan, etc. Most will consider these students to either be wealthy dumb kids (too dumb for HYPSM) or top middle-class kids, the same that attend top flagships.

Cornell, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Northwestern, and Duke ARE elite, and people recognize them as such. They may not be great economic deals for UMC families who pay full freight and have UVA, Michigan, or Berkeley as an in-state option, but for those who receive substantial grant-based financial aid or have enough money that full-freight doesn’t matter, these are awesome schools with a high-quality lifestyle experience. Yes, they are not HPYSM, but no one thinks these students are dumb rich kids or the equivalent of a Roll Tide graduate.

+1.

Cornell, USC, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, and Duke are good schools. Lori Loughlin bribed $500,000+ and risked 40 yrs behind bars to get her dumb (but rich) kids in to one of these. However, as good as they are, no one will confuse these schools for T5 ivies.

T5 Ivies, LOL. HYPSM, yes, none of these schools are like HYPSM, and that's OK. They're still elite.

Also, don't know why you're grouping USC (or even Vanderbilt, if we're being strict) here. I get that you're trying to bolster your argument by muddying the waters, but it just makes you look dumb. It'd be like if I said Penn, Columbia, and WashU are all excellent schools, but aren't at the level of Harvard or Yale.

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Anonymous wrote:What does elite mean here?

Harvard, MIT, Stanford, and perhaps Princeton & Yale are elite.

Cornell, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Duke, etc. etc. are not.

And yes, even Harvard/MIT/Stanford/Princeton/Yale won't give your kid a $150k job, wealthy spouse (a 1950's reason to go to a elite school, but okay), and a wealthy, highly-connected friend group off the bat. And thank god for that.

The purpose of top schools is to have top professors and top students to learn from and compete with, and improve oneself in the process. Not a $150k job, wealthy spouse and highly-connected wealthy network.

What these schools do provide beyond the education though is a pedigree that lasts through 40+ years of one's careers, and certainly can come in handy down the line - if you want to use it.

As for the rest - Cornell, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Duke, etc., most people do not view these schools to be more "elite" than top state flagships like Berkeley, Michigan, etc. Most will consider these students to either be wealthy dumb kids (too dumb for HYPSM) or top middle-class kids, the same that attend top flagships.

Cornell, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, Northwestern, and Duke ARE elite, and people recognize them as such. They may not be great economic deals for UMC families who pay full freight and have UVA, Michigan, or Berkeley as an in-state option, but for those who receive substantial grant-based financial aid or have enough money that full-freight doesn’t matter, these are awesome schools with a high-quality lifestyle experience. Yes, they are not HPYSM, but no one thinks these students are dumb rich kids or the equivalent of a Roll Tide graduate.

+1.

Cornell, USC, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, and Duke are good schools. Lori Loughlin bribed $500,000+ and risked 40 yrs behind bars to get her dumb (but rich) kids in to one of these. However, as good as they are, no one will confuse these schools for T5 ivies.

T5 Ivies, LOL. HYPSM, yes, none of these schools are like HYPSM, and that's OK. They're still elite.

Also, don't know why you're grouping USC (or even Vanderbilt, if we're being strict) here. I get that you're trying to bolster your argument by muddying the waters, but it just makes you look dumb. It'd be like if I said Penn, Columbia, and WashU are all excellent schools, but aren't at the level of Harvard or Yale.