Anonymous
05/31/2021 13:45
Subject: What religion has the highest chance of going to Heaven?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Atheists have no beliefs about religion or god?
Atheists don't believe in God. That one should be easy to figure out.
With regard to religion we obviously don't believe in God, Heaven or Hell, but as for scripture and teachings there is both good and bad. I personally disagree with being anti-contraception, disagree with things like homophobia, I think women should be treated as equal to men (i.e. Catholic church not allowing female clergy), and there are factually wrong things like whales not being fish, rabbits not being ruminants, the earth not being flat to nitpick over but that's trivial - I also think there are some valuable teachings in the Bible, in Buddhism, the Vedas, and other faiths - however none of those things I find to be valuable are tied to belief in a divine being or the supernatural and if you look across cultural and ethnographic studies there are recurring themes like "do not kill, do not steal, treat others as you would have them treat you" showing up in a huge number of societies and cultures, of varying faiths as well as in communities which do not have organized religion. Much of that is really just human empathy. Granted, some people are sociopaths and lack such empathy, which may be why churches invent the concept of "you'll spend an eternity in hell if you don't behave" to try and rein the sociopaths in - but for many of us who have empathy and humanity, we don't need those kinds of threats.
So if you don’t believe in God, why would you have any thoughts about scripture? Scripture is the Holy, sacred, and authoritative word of God. If you don’t believe in Him, why is the scripture something you consider and critique or agree/disagree with? It’s from an entity you don’t think exists?
Not trying to be argumentative or rude, genuinely curious. I have to go now, will check back later in case you answered. Thank you.
Different poster here. For lots of reasons, for instance:
1. Being a scholar or just being interested in the subject -- you don't need to believe in the tenets of a particular religion to study it.
2. Having formerly been a believer/member in a particular religion - you know about it, or think you do, and want to learn more or share what you know or your feelings about it with others. You've been affected by your former beliefs and know, perhaps from experience, that others are too.
Anonymous
05/31/2021 13:34
Subject: Re:What religion has the highest chance of going to Heaven?
Anonymous wrote:Different poster. Regarding the poster that’s adamant about saying others should not remark about God.
The same can be said about Christians or Muslims.
Why do people of these faiths need to criticize, critique, and disprove other faiths that they would like to convert?
Why judge whether or not someone is doomed for ‘hell’ or not?
Why talk about ‘unbelievers’ or pagans?
If you critique others, expect to receive the same.
Isn’t that one of your sayings? Do unto others...
It’s not that people can’t, but why would they? I don’t do keto, but if I went to a diet forum and argued with people who did, what would be the point? It wouldn’t make sense. I could do that, I have every “right” to do that, etc, but what would the point be?
Anonymous
05/31/2021 13:21
Subject: Re:What religion has the highest chance of going to Heaven?
Different poster. Regarding the poster that’s adamant about saying others should not remark about God.
The same can be said about Christians or Muslims.
Why do people of these faiths need to criticize, critique, and disprove other faiths that they would like to convert?
Why judge whether or not someone is doomed for ‘hell’ or not?
Why talk about ‘unbelievers’ or pagans?
If you critique others, expect to receive the same.
Isn’t that one of your sayings? Do unto others...
The same can be said about Christians or Muslims.
Why do people of these faiths need to criticize, critique, and disprove other faiths that they would like to convert?
Why judge whether or not someone is doomed for ‘hell’ or not?
Why talk about ‘unbelievers’ or pagans?
If you critique others, expect to receive the same.
Isn’t that one of your sayings? Do unto others...
Anonymous
05/31/2021 13:04
Subject: What religion has the highest chance of going to Heaven?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Atheists have no beliefs about religion or god?
Atheists don't believe in God. That one should be easy to figure out.
With regard to religion we obviously don't believe in God, Heaven or Hell, but as for scripture and teachings there is both good and bad. I personally disagree with being anti-contraception, disagree with things like homophobia, I think women should be treated as equal to men (i.e. Catholic church not allowing female clergy), and there are factually wrong things like whales not being fish, rabbits not being ruminants, the earth not being flat to nitpick over but that's trivial - I also think there are some valuable teachings in the Bible, in Buddhism, the Vedas, and other faiths - however none of those things I find to be valuable are tied to belief in a divine being or the supernatural and if you look across cultural and ethnographic studies there are recurring themes like "do not kill, do not steal, treat others as you would have them treat you" showing up in a huge number of societies and cultures, of varying faiths as well as in communities which do not have organized religion. Much of that is really just human empathy. Granted, some people are sociopaths and lack such empathy, which may be why churches invent the concept of "you'll spend an eternity in hell if you don't behave" to try and rein the sociopaths in - but for many of us who have empathy and humanity, we don't need those kinds of threats.
So if you don’t believe in God, why would you have any thoughts about scripture? Scripture is the Holy, sacred, and authoritative word of God. If you don’t believe in Him, why is the scripture something you consider and critique or agree/disagree with? It’s from an entity you don’t think exists?
Not trying to be argumentative or rude, genuinely curious. I have to go now, will check back later in case you answered. Thank you.
Anonymous
05/31/2021 12:34
Subject: What religion has the highest chance of going to Heaven?
Anonymous wrote:Atheists have no beliefs about religion or god?
Atheists don't believe in God. That one should be easy to figure out.
With regard to religion we obviously don't believe in God, Heaven or Hell, but as for scripture and teachings there is both good and bad. I personally disagree with being anti-contraception, disagree with things like homophobia, I think women should be treated as equal to men (i.e. Catholic church not allowing female clergy), and there are factually wrong things like whales not being fish, rabbits not being ruminants, the earth not being flat to nitpick over but that's trivial - I also think there are some valuable teachings in the Bible, in Buddhism, the Vedas, and other faiths - however none of those things I find to be valuable are tied to belief in a divine being or the supernatural and if you look across cultural and ethnographic studies there are recurring themes like "do not kill, do not steal, treat others as you would have them treat you" showing up in a huge number of societies and cultures, of varying faiths as well as in communities which do not have organized religion. Much of that is really just human empathy. Granted, some people are sociopaths and lack such empathy, which may be why churches invent the concept of "you'll spend an eternity in hell if you don't behave" to try and rein the sociopaths in - but for many of us who have empathy and humanity, we don't need those kinds of threats.
Anonymous
05/31/2021 12:13
Subject: What religion has the highest chance of going to Heaven?
Anonymous wrote:Nobody here calls other people “stupid” or a “troll” for asking about their religious beliefs. And people with religious beliefs usually answer helpfully. If you want to call people those names for asking about your beliefs, it’s wrong and rude. Geez.
Geez?
Anonymous
05/31/2021 12:05
Subject: What religion has the highest chance of going to Heaven?
Nobody here calls other people “stupid” or a “troll” for asking about their religious beliefs. And people with religious beliefs usually answer helpfully. If you want to call people those names for asking about your beliefs, it’s wrong and rude. Geez.
Anonymous
05/31/2021 11:41
Subject: What religion has the highest chance of going to Heaven?
Atheists have no beliefs about religion or god?
Anonymous
05/31/2021 11:38
Subject: Re:What religion has the highest chance of going to Heaven?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
People who have no religious beliefs believe in nothing.
People who are atheist have religious beliefs? Do tell.
Let me know what religious beliefs atheists have. I was under the impression they had none. But if that’s stupid, please illuminate what religious beliefs atheists have.
A handy guide for easier reading comprehension & grasp of logic:
THE ORIGINAL SENTENCE: "People who have no religious beliefs believe in nothing."
DEFINED SUBJECTS: People with no religious beliefs
CLAIM ABOUT SUBJECTS: Subjects believes in nothing
THE MEME: "That statement is stupid".
YOUR OBJECTION: "Atheists have religious beliefs?"
See the disconnect?
What is stupid is the claim that people with no religious beliefs believe in nothing. We believe in all kinds of stuff. Just not a god.
Got it now? Did I break it down simply enough?
Ok so what about religion do you believe in?
What I am believing right now: You are either a purposeful troll or you really, really can't read.
We believe in all kinds of stuff. Just not a god.
We believe in all kinds of stuff. Just not a god.
We believe in all kinds of stuff. Just not a god.
I get that, but what beliefs do you have specifically about religion? If you are here to discuss religion and say it’s stupid to say you don’t have religious beliefs I am honestly confused.
Troll: you didn't say atheists don't have religious beliefs. You said People who have no religious beliefs believe in nothing..
That is what is stupid about the statement.
I didn't say it was "stupid to say {I} don’t have religious beliefs".
I said it was stupid to say I don't believe in anything.
I know you are "honestly confused" and I think that is your flaw, not mine, so I am going to stop as I am either feeding a troll or dealing with someone who cannot, or will not comprehend a simple statement.
Anonymous
05/31/2021 11:37
Subject: What religion has the highest chance of going to Heaven?
Belief should be believe.
Anonymous
05/31/2021 11:36
Subject: Re:What religion has the highest chance of going to Heaven?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
People who have no religious beliefs believe in nothing.
People who are atheist have religious beliefs? Do tell.
You don't need this explained to you. You appear to be a troll but I do not think you are an idiot.
I do. It’s a huge contradiction. It makes no sense.
Atheists don't have religious beliefs but they do have morals and values which are not tied to belief in God. You don't have to believe in God, scripture, heaven or hell to understand some basic things like "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" - would you want someone robbing, attacking, stealing from you, killing you? No.
Ridiculous to say atheists believe in nothing.
They don’t belief in religion, they have nothing to believe in about religion. Is that accurate? How is that connected to religion?
Anonymous
05/31/2021 11:34
Subject: Re:What religion has the highest chance of going to Heaven?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
People who have no religious beliefs believe in nothing.
People who are atheist have religious beliefs? Do tell.
Let me know what religious beliefs atheists have. I was under the impression they had none. But if that’s stupid, please illuminate what religious beliefs atheists have.
A handy guide for easier reading comprehension & grasp of logic:
THE ORIGINAL SENTENCE: "People who have no religious beliefs believe in nothing."
DEFINED SUBJECTS: People with no religious beliefs
CLAIM ABOUT SUBJECTS: Subjects believes in nothing
THE MEME: "That statement is stupid".
YOUR OBJECTION: "Atheists have religious beliefs?"
See the disconnect?
What is stupid is the claim that people with no religious beliefs believe in nothing. We believe in all kinds of stuff. Just not a god.
Got it now? Did I break it down simply enough?
Ok so what about religion do you believe in?
What I am believing right now: You are either a purposeful troll or you really, really can't read.
We believe in all kinds of stuff. Just not a god.
We believe in all kinds of stuff. Just not a god.
We believe in all kinds of stuff. Just not a god.
I get that, but what beliefs do you have specifically about religion? If you are here to discuss religion and say it’s stupid to say you don’t have religious beliefs I am honestly confused.
Anonymous
05/31/2021 11:32
Subject: Re:What religion has the highest chance of going to Heaven?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
People who have no religious beliefs believe in nothing.
People who are atheist have religious beliefs? Do tell.
You don't need this explained to you. You appear to be a troll but I do not think you are an idiot.
I do. It’s a huge contradiction. It makes no sense.
Atheists don't have religious beliefs but they do have morals and values which are not tied to belief in God. You don't have to believe in God, scripture, heaven or hell to understand some basic things like "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" - would you want someone robbing, attacking, stealing from you, killing you? No.
Ridiculous to say atheists believe in nothing.
Anonymous
05/31/2021 11:31
Subject: Re:What religion has the highest chance of going to Heaven?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
People who have no religious beliefs believe in nothing.
People who are atheist have religious beliefs? Do tell.
Let me know what religious beliefs atheists have. I was under the impression they had none. But if that’s stupid, please illuminate what religious beliefs atheists have.
A handy guide for easier reading comprehension & grasp of logic:
THE ORIGINAL SENTENCE: "People who have no religious beliefs believe in nothing."
DEFINED SUBJECTS: People with no religious beliefs
CLAIM ABOUT SUBJECTS: Subjects believes in nothing
THE MEME: "That statement is stupid".
YOUR OBJECTION: "Atheists have religious beliefs?"
See the disconnect?
What is stupid is the claim that people with no religious beliefs believe in nothing. We believe in all kinds of stuff. Just not a god.
Got it now? Did I break it down simply enough?
Ok so what about religion do you believe in?
What I am believing right now: You are either a purposeful troll or you really, really can't read.
We believe in all kinds of stuff. Just not a god.
We believe in all kinds of stuff. Just not a god.
We believe in all kinds of stuff. Just not a god.
Anonymous
05/31/2021 11:29
Subject: Re:What religion has the highest chance of going to Heaven?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
People who have no religious beliefs believe in nothing.
People who are atheist have religious beliefs? Do tell.
Let me know what religious beliefs atheists have. I was under the impression they had none. But if that’s stupid, please illuminate what religious beliefs atheists have.
A handy guide for easier reading comprehension & grasp of logic:
THE ORIGINAL SENTENCE: "People who have no religious beliefs believe in nothing."
DEFINED SUBJECTS: People with no religious beliefs
CLAIM ABOUT SUBJECTS: Subjects believes in nothing
THE MEME: "That statement is stupid".
YOUR OBJECTION: "Atheists have religious beliefs?"
See the disconnect?
What is stupid is the claim that people with no religious beliefs believe in nothing. We believe in all kinds of stuff. Just not a god.
Got it now? Did I break it down simply enough?
Ok so what about religion do you believe in?