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Anonymous wrote:It won't sink in here. It never does. I don't see any opinions being changed here. The only way to counteract them is through engaged political action.

Fk that noise. I’m doing what’s best for junior. Keep your social engineering to yourself.

I send my kids to a Title 1 elementary school because it's a good place for them. Make schools appealing to the parents you want to attract and they'll come. Not complicated, and not "engaged political action." There was a thread about ms/hs recently and so many parents would be happy to send their kids to existing dcps middle schools that aren't hardy or deal if they just committed to a curriculum that would be appropriate/challenging.

But this is where things break down because no they won’t send their kids to challenging schools with majority minority students, see Banneker! They claim they want challenging but they don’t.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It won't sink in here. It never does. I don't see any opinions being changed here. The only way to counteract them is through engaged political action.

Fk that noise. I’m doing what’s best for junior. Keep your social engineering to yourself.

I send my kids to a Title 1 elementary school because it's a good place for them. Make schools appealing to the parents you want to attract and they'll come. Not complicated, and not "engaged political action." There was a thread about ms/hs recently and so many parents would be happy to send their kids to existing dcps middle schools that aren't hardy or deal if they just committed to a curriculum that would be appropriate/challenging.

But this is where things break down because no they won’t send their kids to challenging schools with majority minority students, see Banneker! They claim they want challenging but they don’t.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It won't sink in here. It never does. I don't see any opinions being changed here. The only way to counteract them is through engaged political action.

Fk that noise. I’m doing what’s best for junior. Keep your social engineering to yourself.

I send my kids to a Title 1 elementary school because it's a good place for them. Make schools appealing to the parents you want to attract and they'll come. Not complicated, and not "engaged political action." There was a thread about ms/hs recently and so many parents would be happy to send their kids to existing dcps middle schools that aren't hardy or deal if they just committed to a curriculum that would be appropriate/challenging.

Anonymous wrote:They used *word frequency* analysis?
What?

Anonymous wrote:The second author, Jackson Gode, graduated in 2014 from The Seattle Academy, a “top-rated private” high school in Seattle.
Its tuition is $38,000 per year.

https://facebook.com/seattleacademy/posts/2363749686994407

Not sure about Mr. Gode’s parents, or his role in his schooling decisions, but (at least for now) I’m a parent sending my kids to DCPS and putting my money where my mouth is.

Anonymous wrote:I found the article's treatment of the Ward 6 discussions bizarre. Probably because it didn't fit into the article's narrative at all. It seemed to totally miss the point that demographics, test scores, etc are discussed more w/r/t comparing Ward 6 schools than UNW schools because there are way more differences between them along those lines (which actually could have supported their narrative); instead, it seemed to imply Ward 6 were like the poor/ignored schools vis-a-vis UNW because those terms came up in discussions of Ward 6 schools and not UNW schools (poor poor Brent, so unloved).

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the full paper, but its conclusions don't seem very controversial as they're in line with other research, as the authors themselves have noted. Jeff may take issue with some of the methodology or research ethics, but it's been shown in other work that when white parents have a choice, they tend to choose schools with more white students. This of course won't apply to *every* white family; we're talking about general trends in the data. I've certainly seen this myself as a black parent IB for Shepherd, but anecdata aside, it's been found in other research even when adjusting for other factors.

For example, anyone recall this "revealed preferences" Mathematica study of the DC lottery a few years ago?


"The researchers tested a broad range of factors that could explain why parents choose a school: its proximity to a family’s home, test scores, after-school activities, uniform policies, class size, the crime and income levels of the surrounding neighborhood, and the racial and socio-economic makeup of the school’s student body. Only three of these factors significantly drove parental choice. Parents preferred high test scores, schools closer to home, and schools where their own child would be alongside more peers of his or her same race and class.

Across race and class, a middle-school parent was 12 percent more likely to choose a school where his child’s race made up 20 percent of the study body, compared with a school with similar test scores where his child’s race made up only 10 percent of the study body. White and higher-income applicants had the strongest preferences for their children to remain in-group, while black elementary school parents were essentially “indifferent” to a school’s racial makeup, the researchers found. The findings for Hispanic elementary and middle school parents were not statistically significant.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2016/07/when-white-parents-have-a-choice-they-choose-segregated-schools.html

Someone finally engaging with the substance of the article instead of trying to do mental gymnastics to avoid considering their role in the perpetuation of systemic racism. I look forward to the next article recapping this thread about the article about the threads. I’m sure the thread about that article will be similarly enlightening.

So, what’s more productive? Maybe read the article first before commenting and reading a whole critical thread about it. It’s 48 pages but there are a bunch of pictures, so it only took 20 minutes or so to get it. Maybe try learning more about your neighborhood school even if (especially if?) it’s not one captured in the highly esteemed, Ward 6, or 145 clusters? Try looking beyond the test scores and STAR ratings since both are correlated strongly with race and try to find out what makes schools special beyond the things you mostly hear about on this forum.

Anonymous wrote:Maybe I’m paranoid (ok I definitely am), but I feel like this questionable study is going to be used as support to keep schools closed.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the full paper, but its conclusions don't seem very controversial as they're in line with other research, as the authors themselves have noted. Jeff may take issue with some of the methodology or research ethics, but it's been shown in other work that when white parents have a choice, they tend to choose schools with more white students. This of course won't apply to *every* white family; we're talking about general trends in the data. I've certainly seen this myself as a black parent IB for Shepherd, but anecdata aside, it's been found in other research even when adjusting for other factors.

For example, anyone recall this "revealed preferences" Mathematica study of the DC lottery a few years ago?


"The researchers tested a broad range of factors that could explain why parents choose a school: its proximity to a family’s home, test scores, after-school activities, uniform policies, class size, the crime and income levels of the surrounding neighborhood, and the racial and socio-economic makeup of the school’s student body. Only three of these factors significantly drove parental choice. Parents preferred high test scores, schools closer to home, and schools where their own child would be alongside more peers of his or her same race and class.

Across race and class, a middle-school parent was 12 percent more likely to choose a school where his child’s race made up 20 percent of the study body, compared with a school with similar test scores where his child’s race made up only 10 percent of the study body. White and higher-income applicants had the strongest preferences for their children to remain in-group, while black elementary school parents were essentially “indifferent” to a school’s racial makeup, the researchers found. The findings for Hispanic elementary and middle school parents were not statistically significant.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2016/07/when-white-parents-have-a-choice-they-choose-segregated-schools.html

Someone finally engaging with the substance of the article instead of trying to do mental gymnastics to avoid considering their role in the perpetuation of systemic racism. I look forward to the next article recapping this thread about the article about the threads. I’m sure the thread about that article will be similarly enlightening.

So, what’s more productive? Maybe read the article first before commenting and reading a whole critical thread about it. It’s 48 pages but there are a bunch of pictures, so it only took 20 minutes or so to get it. Maybe try learning more about your neighborhood school even if (especially if?) it’s not one captured in the highly esteemed, Ward 6, or 145 clusters? Try looking beyond the test scores and STAR ratings since both are correlated strongly with race and try to find out what makes schools special beyond the things you mostly hear about on this forum.