Anonymous
03/19/2021 17:31
Subject: Are pitbull mixes safer?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think owners should be criminally prosecuted when their dogs attack others. It would work better than a breed ban to encourage people to put more thought into getting a pet, what kind of pet they can truly handle, and encourage more responsible pet ownership.
I think owners should be substantially fined if they abandon dogs or if their dogs produce puppies that they cannot place with homes. Provide free fix/spay to anyone that wants it. It’s ridiculous that people are allowed to just put all these unwanted animals out there into the world. Take a genetic sample when you get a license and charge the owner. I donate thousands a year to dog rescue but would much rather donate to a sane system for making sure every dog is wanted.
We got out very sweet golden retriever from a breeder. My & year old can pry open his jaws to look at his teeth if she wants. He’s cool with it. I lost my key once and had to break in through a window while he was sound asleep in the middle of the night. He was cool with that too. Not an aggressive bone in his fluffy body.
God this is so pathetic. Do you also donate money into helping members of your own species?
You dont get to dictate how someone else spends their money. You donate where you choose, and I and PP will do the same.
Sure I can’t tell you what to do, but I can judge you for wasting your money and energy on dogs instead of people.
Anonymous
03/19/2021 17:28
Subject: Re:Are pitbull mixes safer?
Anonymous wrote:https://newschannel20.com/news/local/child-bit-on-the-head-by-dog-in-springfield?fbclid=IwAR1Djq5vn6kWqf02Wx_-D12A6g_BlslcMM5qoZS8_iguSh7zItfbW2wluR4
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9376917/Boy-3-mauled-death-neighbors-two-pit-bulls-backyard-New-Jersey-named.html?ito=social-facebook&fbclid=IwAR1gR191sytxDQnMX1bqcF2DFeTfpp-Ohf6k00NW3mVluUmTtn4CX-F_Hjg
Two more precious babies in the past week, killed by pitbulls. There is absolutely no need to own one of these dangerous dogs. These children did nothing wrong, and did not have to die. The were literally torn apart by pitbulls.
This is horrifying. The tiny coffin really got me in the second article. When are people going to wise up about these dangerous dogs. How many more tiny children have to die?
Anonymous
03/19/2021 16:53
Subject: Are pitbull mixes safer?
Anonymous wrote:Hi 9:11 -
PP that shared the sarcastic Anthony Hopkins quote here.
I think the concern with your angle is that it is a risk that is much greater than what you’re allowing room for. I agree I’d factors to reduce risk (as donating PP) in loading shelters with dogs who aren’t resourced to have a true background is just another failed opportunity for stop gate.
The resolution is likely a mix of a bit of what everyone is suggesting: owner awareness and responsibility/training, breeding restrictions/penalties to discourage misbehavior, and possible waivers for owners of Potts that carry a highest cost “risk insurance” in some way to decentivize ignorant dog owners (which most are, unfortunately)
It’s like saying all crack babies aren’t sentenced to addiction and arguing against funding for Just Say No campaign awareness, resisting enforcement crackdowns on corner crack dealers, and offering no incentive for planned parenting funding to prevent pregnancies that are a burdened societal cost.
The points and counter points here are mutually inclusive. There are a lot of creative solutions that combined ans put in practice can address concerns from both sides.
I adopted a lab mix that looks full lab from a shelter. As a gift my parents got us one of the dog DNA kits. Lo and behold, she is over 50% pit, so I guess her lab mom or dad also was part pit and not full lab. You cannot tell at all from looking at her. She looks exactly like a black lab. So how to deal with that situation? You would have to have everyone who is a dog owner do a dog DNA and then charge insurance accordingly. And I would gladly comply with any pit-related rules, but just looking at my dog no one would ask me to. She is a sweet dog. I just don't know how all the logistics could work. And the shelters can't be sure of the breed mixes, either. All they (and the vets) can do are their best guesses. And what about the reverse? There may be a dog that looks exactly like a pit, but do the DNA panel and they actually are 75% lab or whatever.
Most of the dogs in shelters here are transported from the south. They need to do tons of outreach, education, and fining down there.
Anonymous
03/19/2021 16:45
Subject: Are pitbull mixes safer?
Anonymous
03/19/2021 16:26
Subject: Are pitbull mixes safer?
Anonymous wrote:\Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:True, we adopted ours because that's what the shelter had. And then we discovered that she was a loving, affectionate dog. And that's what matters to us, not being cute or attractive. Just a big heart and a cuddler.Anonymous wrote:I love dogs! But don't get the appeal of pitbulls. They're not cute or in any way more attractive than other popular breeds. Why would you WANT a pitbull mix? I thought people just adopted them because the shelters are full of them.
We adopted a pit 6 months ago and he is so sweet and cuddly it is funny. I am a believer that dog breeds have natures, live a retriever likes to retrieve, a pitt bull was breed for fighting bulls. What type of character that has left in the modern breed I am not sure, but of course I wonder why this breed is one with so many toddler face attacks ( retrievers also high on this list).
Anyway, training is always a good idea.
Perhaps it should be required for Pitt owners given the concerns? Hell, golden retrievers too?
There are some cities, sorry I cannot recall which, where Pit Bulls were banned, then Retrivers or Labs took the place top of the list for dog attacks on toddlers. All dogs have this in them, I am a rescue pitt bull owner and love this dog but I am wondering why the bite rates are so high. Partly because the data collection and reporting is very skewed, yes, but I do of course wonder what is going on, is it the pitt bull it self or the pitt bull owners?
I think it's some of both. Some dog owners mean well but they are clueless. They adopt from the shelter because they want a dog and that's what they can afford and what is available, but they don't know what they're getting into. I also blame the shelters for not being more forthcoming about the breed and adopting these dogs out to first time dog owners and homes with young kids and small pets. Also there are some terrible dog owners who unfortunately seem to be drawn to owning pits, don't neuter the dogs, leave them chained up outside and don't socialize them or care for them properly.
Anonymous
03/19/2021 16:14
Subject: Re:Are pitbull mixes safer?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We breed and train German Shepherds. I love all dogs! I think pitties are adorable. Every single one I’ve interacted with has been friendly and gentle. They are big goof balls. Most bully breeds are - right up until they are not. No amount of socializing or training will ever overcome bad breeding. The American Pit Bull Terrier has been the victim of generations of irresponsible breeding. It’s not the dogs’ fault. It’s just reality. They have been specifically bred for aggression, pain tolerance, prey drive, and strength for many, many years. That type of breeding doesn’t just disappear.
When we decide to breed, our dogs are carefully selected for temperament and health. They come from a long, documented line of balanced, stable, healthy dogs. Unfortunately, the American Pit Bull Terrier doesn’t have that lineage anywhere anymore. It’s time to allow the breed to die, sadly.
Don't mean to thread hijack, but can you state where you're located? I'm the OP of the thread looking for a GSD breeder, for a family dog.
We won’t have any litters any time soon. We are in DC for 18 months and need to wait until we are back home before we go through the process again. But I can tell you what to look for! If you want a good family pet, look for large, old fashioned, straight back German Shepherds. Ask about Hip and Elbow Dysplasia certification through OFA. You should be able to meet the mama. The pups should be treated like family pets. A good breeder will insist on keeping the pups until they are at least 8 weeks. I keep ours for 10-12. The breeder should be able to give you information about the specific line. And she should provide you with limited AKC papers. Meaning, you can’t breed and/or sell puppies. Start socializing the puppy as soon as vaccines are complete. Expose him to different people, places, noises, etc. Training is important, especially if this is your first GSD.
Also, they are the best dogs ever!
PP here, thanks, so helpful! We've had one GSD before. One more question--I see that some breeders are touting they are recognized by the Gooddog website. Is this an important certification of sorts for breeders?
Not really. The OFA certifications are important for health and show that a breeder truly cares about the pups.
Anonymous
03/19/2021 16:11
Subject: Are pitbull mixes safer?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:True, we adopted ours because that's what the shelter had. And then we discovered that she was a loving, affectionate dog. And that's what matters to us, not being cute or attractive. Just a big heart and a cuddler.Anonymous wrote:I love dogs! But don't get the appeal of pitbulls. They're not cute or in any way more attractive than other popular breeds. Why would you WANT a pitbull mix? I thought people just adopted them because the shelters are full of them.
We adopted a pit 6 months ago and he is so sweet and cuddly it is funny. I am a believer that dog breeds have natures, live a retriever likes to retrieve, a pitt bull was breed for fighting bulls. What type of character that has left in the modern breed I am not sure, but of course I wonder why this breed is one with so many toddler face attacks ( retrievers also high on this list).
Anyway, training is always a good idea.
Perhaps it should be required for Pitt owners given the concerns? Hell, golden retrievers too?
I agree. Honestly I would be fine with blanket restrictions for all dog owners like this. Let's require obedience training for all dogs. I would also like to see a restriction that all dogs over x pounds must wear a muzzle in public spaces, which I'm sure would get lots of push back. But a separate issue is that law abiding dog owners will comply, while the terrible kind of dog owner who is keeping 6 pit bulls in cages will not bother.
Why all dogs over xlbs wear a muzzle and not all dogs? Even a small dog can pretty seriously damage a child.
I knew somebody would come up with that comment, it's so predictable. Okay, let's say ALL dog breeds. I'm not a dog owner so I don't care if you have to muzzle your pom, so long as it keeps kids safe from dog attacks. But my other point is that it won't keep kids safe, because most pit owners won't comply. You can muzzle all the Pomeranians in the land, and we will still be reading almost daily headlines about kids getting mauled to death by Pits.
Anonymous
03/19/2021 15:54
Subject: Are pitbull mixes safer?
\Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:True, we adopted ours because that's what the shelter had. And then we discovered that she was a loving, affectionate dog. And that's what matters to us, not being cute or attractive. Just a big heart and a cuddler.Anonymous wrote:I love dogs! But don't get the appeal of pitbulls. They're not cute or in any way more attractive than other popular breeds. Why would you WANT a pitbull mix? I thought people just adopted them because the shelters are full of them.
We adopted a pit 6 months ago and he is so sweet and cuddly it is funny. I am a believer that dog breeds have natures, live a retriever likes to retrieve, a pitt bull was breed for fighting bulls. What type of character that has left in the modern breed I am not sure, but of course I wonder why this breed is one with so many toddler face attacks ( retrievers also high on this list).
Anyway, training is always a good idea.
Perhaps it should be required for Pitt owners given the concerns? Hell, golden retrievers too?
There are some cities, sorry I cannot recall which, where Pit Bulls were banned, then Retrivers or Labs took the place top of the list for dog attacks on toddlers. All dogs have this in them, I am a rescue pitt bull owner and love this dog but I am wondering why the bite rates are so high. Partly because the data collection and reporting is very skewed, yes, but I do of course wonder what is going on, is it the pitt bull it self or the pitt bull owners?
Anonymous
03/19/2021 15:27
Subject: Are pitbull mixes safer?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:True, we adopted ours because that's what the shelter had. And then we discovered that she was a loving, affectionate dog. And that's what matters to us, not being cute or attractive. Just a big heart and a cuddler.Anonymous wrote:I love dogs! But don't get the appeal of pitbulls. They're not cute or in any way more attractive than other popular breeds. Why would you WANT a pitbull mix? I thought people just adopted them because the shelters are full of them.
We adopted a pit 6 months ago and he is so sweet and cuddly it is funny. I am a believer that dog breeds have natures, live a retriever likes to retrieve, a pitt bull was breed for fighting bulls. What type of character that has left in the modern breed I am not sure, but of course I wonder why this breed is one with so many toddler face attacks ( retrievers also high on this list).
Anyway, training is always a good idea.
Perhaps it should be required for Pitt owners given the concerns? Hell, golden retrievers too?
I agree. Honestly I would be fine with blanket restrictions for all dog owners like this. Let's require obedience training for all dogs. I would also like to see a restriction that all dogs over x pounds must wear a muzzle in public spaces, which I'm sure would get lots of push back. But a separate issue is that law abiding dog owners will comply, while the terrible kind of dog owner who is keeping 6 pit bulls in cages will not bother.
Why all dogs over xlbs wear a muzzle and not all dogs? Even a small dog can pretty seriously damage a child.
Anonymous
03/19/2021 15:11
Subject: Are pitbull mixes safer?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:True, we adopted ours because that's what the shelter had. And then we discovered that she was a loving, affectionate dog. And that's what matters to us, not being cute or attractive. Just a big heart and a cuddler.Anonymous wrote:I love dogs! But don't get the appeal of pitbulls. They're not cute or in any way more attractive than other popular breeds. Why would you WANT a pitbull mix? I thought people just adopted them because the shelters are full of them.
We adopted a pit 6 months ago and he is so sweet and cuddly it is funny. I am a believer that dog breeds have natures, live a retriever likes to retrieve, a pitt bull was breed for fighting bulls. What type of character that has left in the modern breed I am not sure, but of course I wonder why this breed is one with so many toddler face attacks ( retrievers also high on this list).
Anyway, training is always a good idea.
Perhaps it should be required for Pitt owners given the concerns? Hell, golden retrievers too?
I agree. Honestly I would be fine with blanket restrictions for all dog owners like this. Let's require obedience training for all dogs. I would also like to see a restriction that all dogs over x pounds must wear a muzzle in public spaces, which I'm sure would get lots of push back. But a separate issue is that law abiding dog owners will comply, while the terrible kind of dog owner who is keeping 6 pit bulls in cages will not bother.
Anonymous
03/19/2021 14:31
Subject: Are pitbull mixes safer?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:True, we adopted ours because that's what the shelter had. And then we discovered that she was a loving, affectionate dog. And that's what matters to us, not being cute or attractive. Just a big heart and a cuddler.Anonymous wrote:I love dogs! But don't get the appeal of pitbulls. They're not cute or in any way more attractive than other popular breeds. Why would you WANT a pitbull mix? I thought people just adopted them because the shelters are full of them.
We adopted a pit 6 months ago and he is so sweet and cuddly it is funny. I am a believer that dog breeds have natures, live a retriever likes to retrieve, a pitt bull was breed for fighting bulls. What type of character that has left in the modern breed I am not sure, but of course I wonder why this breed is one with so many toddler face attacks ( retrievers also high on this list).
Anyway, training is always a good idea.
Perhaps it should be required for Pitt owners given the concerns? Hell, golden retrievers too?
Anonymous
03/19/2021 14:19
Subject: Are pitbull mixes safer?
So many people (mostly young men) won't fix their pit bulls because they like the aggression and balls on their dog. Frankly, it should be illegal and more enforced. I know a lot of counties require a permit for unfixed dogs.
Anonymous
03/19/2021 14:13
Subject: Are pitbull mixes safer?
No, not safer.
A friend of mine, who had a lot of experience with various rescue dogs, tried to adopt a pitbull mix. After working with him for two years he finally attacked her lab in front of her, so she decided to have the pitbull mix put down.
A friend of mine, who had a lot of experience with various rescue dogs, tried to adopt a pitbull mix. After working with him for two years he finally attacked her lab in front of her, so she decided to have the pitbull mix put down.
Anonymous
03/19/2021 14:05
Subject: Re:Are pitbull mixes safer?
Anonymous wrote:https://newschannel20.com/news/local/child-bit-on-the-head-by-dog-in-springfield?fbclid=IwAR1Djq5vn6kWqf02Wx_-D12A6g_BlslcMM5qoZS8_iguSh7zItfbW2wluR4
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9376917/Boy-3-mauled-death-neighbors-two-pit-bulls-backyard-New-Jersey-named.html?ito=social-facebook&fbclid=IwAR1gR191sytxDQnMX1bqcF2DFeTfpp-Ohf6k00NW3mVluUmTtn4CX-F_Hjg
Two more precious babies in the past week, killed by pitbulls. There is absolutely no need to own one of these dangerous dogs. These children did nothing wrong, and did not have to die. The were literally torn apart by pitbulls.
Horrible, completely avoidable tragedies. The owner should face criminal charges.
Anonymous
03/19/2021 14:04
Subject: Re:Are pitbull mixes safer?
Anonymous wrote:https://newschannel20.com/news/local/child-bit-on-the-head-by-dog-in-springfield?fbclid=IwAR1Djq5vn6kWqf02Wx_-D12A6g_BlslcMM5qoZS8_iguSh7zItfbW2wluR4
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9376917/Boy-3-mauled-death-neighbors-two-pit-bulls-backyard-New-Jersey-named.html?ito=social-facebook&fbclid=IwAR1gR191sytxDQnMX1bqcF2DFeTfpp-Ohf6k00NW3mVluUmTtn4CX-F_Hjg
Two more precious babies in the past week, killed by pitbulls. There is absolutely no need to own one of these dangerous dogs. These children did nothing wrong, and did not have to die. The were literally torn apart by pitbulls.
I get your message, but can you do w/o this sort of graphic, extreme language? I've seen it in several recent posts.