The independent historian who promotes the theory Charlotte was biracial has also suggested Heather Locklear is of black descent.

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Anonymous wrote:Queen Charlotte was descended, like most European royalty (including her husband George III) from the mistress of Pedro II of Portugal, who was described as a Moor. this does not mean she was necessarily black. She was also 9 generations removed from Queen Charlotte, and any dna shared would be negligible at that point.

Her contemporaries described Queen Charlotte as having African features. The portrait of her done by Sir Allen Ramsey shows someone who isn’t completely white.

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&hl=en-us&q=Portrait+of+Queen+Charlotte&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgFuLUz9U3MEwvSTNR4tVP1zc0TDYuSc_OTjLRUspOttIvyywuTcyJTywqQWJmFpdYlecXZRcvYpUOyC8qKUrMLFHIT1MILE1NzVNwzkgsyskvKUndwcoIAOgMeM1hAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwih27jG0e_tAhXVIzQIHX7qB1AQgOQBegQICxAE&biw=414&bih=697#imgrc=gLuLi16qs8fnXM:

Charlotte was German. The facial characteristics you see can still be seen in Germany today. Stout German Hausfrau with densely curly hair. It's not uncommon. The Queen's Moor ancestor was nine or so generations and several hundred years removed.

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Anonymous wrote:Love the diversity of the cast, too!

I read that Julian Fellows (Downton, Belgravia) defends only casting white people. This shows that a diverse cast in a period piece works!

It totally works. It’s a little odd at first to put race aside especially in this historical context, but it doesn’t take long and then it’s fantastic to see a mix.

I don't really understand the forcing of a diverse cast into non diverse rolls. People would be shouting to burn the network down if Roots was re shot with a diverse cast. This just seems like exceptional jumping on an issue and timing. And at the end of the day, fluff. Which is fine.

What do you mean “non-diverse roles?” Its pure fiction. The roles are whatever the creatives decide they are. Unlike Roots which is specifically about Black people.

And don’t tell me it’s historical fiction because it’s Regency. There was no queen during the Regency period and Katy Perry melodies didn’t exist then. Black people being Dukes is no less out of keeping with a Regency drama.

Queen Charlotte was a real person, wife to the mad king and mother of the prince regent. The real life queen was of course white. I loved the Bridgerton casting and that it shows race blind casting works fine. It does not in any way harm this story to have her played by a black woman. In the same way, it would be fine for Mr Darcy to be played by a black actor in Pride and Prejudice. The "inaccuracy" is not a problem for the story.

There are stories specifically about race where doing that doesn't work. But I would argue that for most stories, even "serious" ones, it works fine. Also, there were plenty of black people in England at the time, they were mostly impoverished but they were there and it's not weird to see them in period drama.

There were not plenty of black people in Regency Britain. That is what we call historical revisionism to satisfy woke modern ideologies. Just to use as a reference point, in the 1940 census (living memory) there were only 40,000 non whites recorded in the entire UK out of a population of 40+ million.

You did have a very, very small number of people of African heritage who had been brought to Britain in individual capacity, as household servants. But it doesn't lend legitimacy to passing off British aristocrats as Africans or Asians. Having a black Mr. Darcy would be incredibly unrealistic and undermine the entire story because it would be as silly as casting a white actor to play an African chieftain.

Bridgeton is silly tv and will be forgotten so it's no big deal, but future efforts at colorblind casting in more serious historical productions will be more problematic without seeming silly (which certainly includes Austen's books for the reason that the person's non white origin fundamentally changes the character and how the world reacted to that character that cannot be glossed over).

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Anonymous wrote:Queen Charlotte was descended, like most European royalty (including her husband George III) from the mistress of Pedro II of Portugal, who was described as a Moor. this does not mean she was necessarily black. She was also 9 generations removed from Queen Charlotte, and any dna shared would be negligible at that point.

Her contemporaries described Queen Charlotte as having African features. The portrait of her done by Sir Allen Ramsey shows someone who isn’t completely white.

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&hl=en-us&q=Portrait+of+Queen+Charlotte&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgFuLUz9U3MEwvSTNR4tVP1zc0TDYuSc_OTjLRUspOttIvyywuTcyJTywqQWJmFpdYlecXZRcvYpUOyC8qKUrMLFHIT1MILE1NzVNwzkgsyskvKUndwcoIAOgMeM1hAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwih27jG0e_tAhXVIzQIHX7qB1AQgOQBegQICxAE&biw=414&bih=697#imgrc=gLuLi16qs8fnXM:

The theory has been called into question since her parents were very clearly white.

There are written accounts that called into question her overall health.

Are you implying she looked part African because she was sickly?

No. I’m implying that historical accounts state she had a sickly appearance (ill coloring, short and crooked stature) with no commentary about her being anything but white.

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Anonymous wrote:Queen Charlotte was descended, like most European royalty (including her husband George III) from the mistress of Pedro II of Portugal, who was described as a Moor. this does not mean she was necessarily black. She was also 9 generations removed from Queen Charlotte, and any dna shared would be negligible at that point.

Her contemporaries described Queen Charlotte as having African features. The portrait of her done by Sir Allen Ramsey shows someone who isn’t completely white.

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&hl=en-us&q=Portrait+of+Queen+Charlotte&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgFuLUz9U3MEwvSTNR4tVP1zc0TDYuSc_OTjLRUspOttIvyywuTcyJTywqQWJmFpdYlecXZRcvYpUOyC8qKUrMLFHIT1MILE1NzVNwzkgsyskvKUndwcoIAOgMeM1hAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwih27jG0e_tAhXVIzQIHX7qB1AQgOQBegQICxAE&biw=414&bih=697#imgrc=gLuLi16qs8fnXM:

The theory has been called into question since her parents were very clearly white.

There are written accounts that called into question her overall health.

Are you implying she looked part African because she was sickly?

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Anonymous wrote:Queen Charlotte was descended, like most European royalty (including her husband George III) from the mistress of Pedro II of Portugal, who was described as a Moor. this does not mean she was necessarily black. She was also 9 generations removed from Queen Charlotte, and any dna shared would be negligible at that point.

Her contemporaries described Queen Charlotte as having African features. The portrait of her done by Sir Allen Ramsey shows someone who isn’t completely white.

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&hl=en-us&q=Portrait+of+Queen+Charlotte&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgFuLUz9U3MEwvSTNR4tVP1zc0TDYuSc_OTjLRUspOttIvyywuTcyJTywqQWJmFpdYlecXZRcvYpUOyC8qKUrMLFHIT1MILE1NzVNwzkgsyskvKUndwcoIAOgMeM1hAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwih27jG0e_tAhXVIzQIHX7qB1AQgOQBegQICxAE&biw=414&bih=697#imgrc=gLuLi16qs8fnXM:

The theory has been called into question since her parents were very clearly white.

There are written accounts that called into question her overall health.

Anonymous wrote:Queen Charlotte was descended, like most European royalty (including her husband George III) from the mistress of Pedro II of Portugal, who was described as a Moor. this does not mean she was necessarily black. She was also 9 generations removed from Queen Charlotte, and any dna shared would be negligible at that point.

Her contemporaries described Queen Charlotte as having African features. The portrait of her done by Sir Allen Ramsey shows someone who isn’t completely white.

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&hl=en-us&q=Portrait+of+Queen+Charlotte&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgFuLUz9U3MEwvSTNR4tVP1zc0TDYuSc_OTjLRUspOttIvyywuTcyJTywqQWJmFpdYlecXZRcvYpUOyC8qKUrMLFHIT1MILE1NzVNwzkgsyskvKUndwcoIAOgMeM1hAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwih27jG0e_tAhXVIzQIHX7qB1AQgOQBegQICxAE&biw=414&bih=697#imgrc=gLuLi16qs8fnXM:

Queen Charlotte was descended, like most European royalty (including her husband George III) from the mistress of Pedro II of Portugal, who was described as a Moor. this does not mean she was necessarily black. She was also 9 generations removed from Queen Charlotte, and any dna shared would be negligible at that point.

Anonymous wrote:Queen Charlotte was actually biracial, directly descended from black family iof Portuguese descent. She, not Meghan, is the first black royal.

I didn't know that! Thank you!

- PP

Anonymous wrote:Queen Charlotte was actually biracial, directly descended from black family iof Portuguese descent. She, not Meghan, is the first black royal.

Allegedly.

That theory has largely been debunked.

Queen Charlotte was actually biracial, directly descended from black family iof Portuguese descent. She, not Meghan, is the first black royal.

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Anonymous wrote:Love the diversity of the cast, too!

I read that Julian Fellows (Downton, Belgravia) defends only casting white people. This shows that a diverse cast in a period piece works!

It totally works. It’s a little odd at first to put race aside especially in this historical context, but it doesn’t take long and then it’s fantastic to see a mix.

I don't really understand the forcing of a diverse cast into non diverse rolls. People would be shouting to burn the network down if Roots was re shot with a diverse cast. This just seems like exceptional jumping on an issue and timing. And at the end of the day, fluff. Which is fine.

What do you mean “non-diverse roles?” Its pure fiction. The roles are whatever the creatives decide they are. Unlike Roots which is specifically about Black people.

And don’t tell me it’s historical fiction because it’s Regency. There was no queen during the Regency period and Katy Perry melodies didn’t exist then. Black people being Dukes is no less out of keeping with a Regency drama.

Queen Charlotte was a real person, wife to the mad king and mother of the prince regent. The real life queen was of course white. I loved the Bridgerton casting and that it shows race blind casting works fine. It does not in any way harm this story to have her played by a black woman. In the same way, it would be fine for Mr Darcy to be played by a black actor in Pride and Prejudice. The "inaccuracy" is not a problem for the story.

There are stories specifically about race where doing that doesn't work. But I would argue that for most stories, even "serious" ones, it works fine. Also, there were plenty of black people in England at the time, they were mostly impoverished but they were there and it's not weird to see them in period drama.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder what they do with the infamous rape/nonconsensual scene.

That’s not rape. I read the Vox article, and I found it troubling to equate the scene with rape.

And, the whole storyline is irrational.

“I love you so deeply, but I won’t sleep with you anymore.” Riiiiiiiight.

What rape scene? There wasn’t one in the book.

It might be over the top to call it rape but people are referring to the scene where Daphne gets Simon to finish inside of her when she suspects he doesn’t want to.

I don’t get the rape reference either. They were having consensual sex...she made him finish in her instead of on the bed. It’s definitely deceptive but not rape.

Yeah I mean if the genders were reversed I think I’d feel the same way. If you just sort of whisper mutter “wait” at the very end, is that really revoking consent? But I think she was in the wrong and should have apologized for it. It bothered me that it was never portrayed as a bad thing. Or maybe I’m missing something.

I agree with you.

Anonymous wrote:Outlander is more like a historical show with romance. If you aren't into history, you won't like it.

It's true, it's how I learned what plants will cure all of my illnesses.

IT WAS TERRIBLE I WATCHED THE WHOLE THING


Congrats to Daphne for being the first mammal on Earth not to figure out how to masturbate on her own.


Congrats to the Hot Duke for proving that no man is hot while you're watching him ejaculate.


"The Duke vowed not to have children" is the dumbest storyline I have ever suffered through.