jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And this is just a question re broader issues surrounding policing: honestly if he was not Black what is the likelihood he would have been stopped at all?

I’m white and got ticketed for jay walking in Adams Morgan. It’s pretty dangerous to ride a fast machine on a sidewalk. With Philadelphia ransacked, MPD probably correctly felt the need to not allow total chaos to break loose in DC.

Just FYI. He was looking for his keys which he had lost earlier. That's why he was on the sidewalk and he was probably driving very slowly so that he could see the keys.

He couldn’t park the moped and look for his keys?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And this is just a question re broader issues surrounding policing: honestly if he was not Black what is the likelihood he would have been stopped at all?

I’m white and got ticketed for jay walking in Adams Morgan. It’s pretty dangerous to ride a fast machine on a sidewalk. With Philadelphia ransacked, MPD probably correctly felt the need to not allow total chaos to break loose in DC.

The police escalating by violently cracking down on people is a great way to lead to chaos.

Cracking down on the people who are destroying property, looting, and assaulting officers?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Sure. But I think, as a policy matter, (i) people shouldn't run from the cops, and (ii) the police should be able to chase people suspected of wrongdoing. I realize that's not the current state of the law, and because of that, many people do run from the police.

It's not the current state of the law because police chases endanger the public. As a policy matter, police procedures should prohibit police actions that endanger the public.

What if we just shot him before he fleed

Anonymous wrote:I strongly disagree with the nonsensical law-enforcement posters.

Resisting arrest and fleeing should never result in a person's death.

Children should never be attacked by police.

These are simple, basic, elementary human rights.

AND POLICE IN OTHER CIVILIZED COUNTRIES APPLY THESE SIMPLE TRUTHS.

So why can't Americans?

It cam result in death, anytime someone is acting out of control accidents can happen

Anonymous wrote:
Sure. But I think, as a policy matter, (i) people shouldn't run from the cops, and (ii) the police should be able to chase people suspected of wrongdoing. I realize that's not the current state of the law, and because of that, many people do run from the police.

It's not the current state of the law because police chases endanger the public. As a policy matter, police procedures should prohibit police actions that endanger the public.

jsteele wrote:According to the Chief Newsham, the officers have been suspended. They appear to have violated police regulations by not turning on their body worn cameras at the beginning of the chase and the chase does not appear to have been justified. The investigation is continuing and the officers could be fired.

DC is at a tipping point with crime. If those officers get fired we are going to be Baltimore pretty soon. As someone who lived in DC in the 80s, it’s not going to be pretty.

Anonymous wrote:If it does turn out the cops violated their own policies/procedures in this incident, then charges of something akin to criminally negligent homicide should be in order. Really, citizens should be pissed that armed agents of the state are acting like thugs. Defund the police movement is much closer to the founding vision of this country than many realize or want to admit.

Ha ha. Police have qualified immunity thanks to SCOTUS.

If the cops violated procedures, YOU will pay for it. There will be a civil suit against the police, DC will settle, and your tax dollars will pay for it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And this is just a question re broader issues surrounding policing: honestly if he was not Black what is the likelihood he would have been stopped at all?

I’m white and got ticketed for jay walking in Adams Morgan. It’s pretty dangerous to ride a fast machine on a sidewalk. With Philadelphia ransacked, MPD probably correctly felt the need to not allow total chaos to break loose in DC.

I sustained scrapes and bruises in NYC once when knocked over by a speeding bicycle on an NYC crowded sidewalk. Plus smelled like urine and likely landed in a puddle . C'est la vie.

Considering the protests-rioting-looting during the pandemic the police should not do anything that could exacerbate or be a causation of such. No police should even have bothered with him at all...drive on by from when they saw him on the sidewalk. If people were on the sidewalk? Ignore him. Was he lawfully operating the moped? Seems not. If he injured some one or himself then so be it. Having been pulled over and know other pulled over basically one cooperates with police.

The John Doe might have been because he had no license or other id in his possession. DC courts show incidents with John Doe then the name. Assuming same individual some one called in a breaking and entering in June - resisted arrest -broke officers hand. All the more reason for police to do nothing since situation could develope. Civil unrest isn't worth it unless a call could prevent injury etc to an innocent party. In Philadelphia policee were called and sadly some one had to do something about the knife. DC police should have just ignored Hylton.

https://dmv.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dmv/publication/attachments/June%202018%20Non-traditional%20Motor%20Vehicle%20chart.pdf

If it does turn out the cops violated their own policies/procedures in this incident, then charges of something akin to criminally negligent homicide should be in order. Really, citizens should be pissed that armed agents of the state are acting like thugs. Defund the police movement is much closer to the founding vision of this country than many realize or want to admit.

Anonymous wrote:Protestors smashed the store window of Saks in Friendship Heights.. on the MD side. Not sure what this is protesting against -- MoCo police had nothing to do with this moped incident:

http://robertdyer.blogspot.com/2020/10/montgomery-county-police-deployed-in.html

Claiming protesters moved from the 4D station on Georgia "up Wisconsin Avenue" to Georgetown and ultimately Bethesda displays a creative understanding of local geography.

Protestors smashed the store window of Saks in Friendship Heights.. on the MD side. Not sure what this is protesting against -- MoCo police had nothing to do with this moped incident:

http://robertdyer.blogspot.com/2020/10/montgomery-county-police-deployed-in.html

The cops violated their own procedures set up to prevent tragedies like what happened.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And this is just a question re broader issues surrounding policing: honestly if he was not Black what is the likelihood he would have been stopped at all?

I’m white and got ticketed for jay walking in Adams Morgan. It’s pretty dangerous to ride a fast machine on a sidewalk. With Philadelphia ransacked, MPD probably correctly felt the need to not allow total chaos to break loose in DC.

Just FYI. He was looking for his keys which he had lost earlier. That's why he was on the sidewalk and he was probably driving very slowly so that he could see the keys.

Then, park the scooter and walk to look for them. This makes even less sense.

Thanks for the life advice? Are you aiming to be a life coach?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question here. How did the scooter driver die? Did the police cruiser run him over?

That would be the police officer's fault.

Did he fall off of his scooter?

That would put the blame on the scooter driver for not wearing a helmet.

Did he hit another car?

Again, scooter driver's fault for not wearing a helmet.

It’s illegal to chase a scooter, so it’s the cops fault even if the scooter was running and crashed.

Like if a criminal is chasing you and you die, it’s the criminals fault.

It might be illegal to chase a scooter, but that is not why he died. He died because he was not wearing a helmet. Period.

It is like I tell my little one about crossing the street. Just because the sign has turned walk, does not mean you can cross without looking both ways. I am not interested in suing the driver with my little ones corpse in the crosswalk. I tell them that I will put "it wasn't my fault" on their grave stone.

Police have procedures for a reason, because bad procedures lead to deaths. This has been studied for over 50 year. Chasing a moped is against regulations because it leads to deaths. They know this. They knowingly broke regulations and caused a death, which they know is probable.

No, it's not like telling your kid to cross the street.

It's like telling a doctor not to use a procedure because it causes death but he uses it anyway.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And this is just a question re broader issues surrounding policing: honestly if he was not Black what is the likelihood he would have been stopped at all?

I’m white and got ticketed for jay walking in Adams Morgan. It’s pretty dangerous to ride a fast machine on a sidewalk. With Philadelphia ransacked, MPD probably correctly felt the need to not allow total chaos to break loose in DC.

The police escalating by violently cracking down on people is a great way to lead to chaos.

And, when there is chaos, what should they do?

Deescalate. Maybe spend some money on training if that's a foreign concept to you- I mean them. Other forces know how to do it.