Anonymous
Post 10/09/2020 11:11     Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not everyone needs to be judged by your mother’s survival story... it makes no sense to do that. However the Bradley Hills elementary outbreak is going to be just what MCPS needs to never go back.


You completely missed the point of the story.


Funny I thought the OP drew the wrong conclusion to begin with. Further their belief that there is low risk is anecdotal


DP. The data is mounting that the risk is low:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/schools-arent-superspreaders/616669/
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2020 11:10     Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Not everyone needs to be judged by your mother’s survival story... it makes no sense to do that. However the Bradley Hills elementary outbreak is going to be just what MCPS needs to never go back.


There werent even kids there. It's no different than an outbreak in any office. The affected teachers will be fine.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2020 10:59     Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:The entire country mismanaged Covid by failing to take personal responsibility for our actions. You can still wear a mask even if the government does not tell you to do it.

Also, a huge factor in Covid deaths is obesity. Over 40% of American adults are obese! The government can not control that risk.




You could not be more right. We are leading in deaths because we are fat and lazy. That's the hard truth.

And as someone that takes great pride in my health, I admit that I am resentful that me and my children (who are also very healthy) are stuck home because people have ignored doctor's advice for decades and have become sloths.

But interesting article in WaPo today. Death rates going down, and severity of infections going down, likely because cloths masks actually DO reduce viral load:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/10/09/covid-mortality-rate-down/

May not have much impact here in the states, since again, we are fat and lazy.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2020 10:54     Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The entire country mismanaged Covid by failing to take personal responsibility for our actions. You can still wear a mask even if the government does not tell you to do it.

Also, a huge factor in Covid deaths is obesity. Over 40% of American adults are obese! The government can not control that risk.



No. This is not about personal responsibility.


DP. Of course a lot of it is. No matter what the government did, if individual people don't follow the rules, the virus would still spread.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2020 10:51     Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:The entire country mismanaged Covid by failing to take personal responsibility for our actions. You can still wear a mask even if the government does not tell you to do it.

Also, a huge factor in Covid deaths is obesity. Over 40% of American adults are obese! The government can not control that risk.



No. This is not about personal responsibility.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2020 10:49     Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
The entire country mismanaged Covid by failing to take personal responsibility for our actions. You can still wear a mask even if the government does not tell you to do it.

Also, a huge factor in Covid deaths is obesity. Over 40% of American adults are obese! The government can not control that risk.


Anonymous
Post 10/09/2020 10:36     Subject: We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:

You know, you and your mother are both right. This is a real challenge; this is a real threat. And we are completely failing to meeting the challenge. The prior generations of Americans stood up and confronted the challenge. We are cowering in fear over it. In WWII, we saw the vulnerable and acted. Today, we see the vulnerable, and say "its ok; they'll be fine if they miss a few years of education, and social & emotional development; the kids will be alright."

That's failure and cowardice. We should all be ashamed of ourselves


It's not a cowering-in-fear issue. It's a management issue. We are mismanaging the issue. In WWII, we had effective federal leadership. Today, we don't.

And yeah, that's failure. Our federal leadership failed us.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2020 10:31     Subject: We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Honestly, what makes you think we don't? If you're on DCUM, you're a committed parent.

In my family, my wife would be in the school 2-3 days a week. She was the class mom for 2 rooms, and organized all the holiday activities. There were weeks when she was there 5 days a week, and around more of the student population that the teachers.

and I, the dad, coach 2 teams. I'm out there, talking to the kids, who ar e breathing heavy from running. I know its not exact comparison, but teachers keep suggesting that parents aren't doing their part, or willng to take the risks. We are. Hell, I'm taking more risks by being around 40 kids 4 days a week.

and if school opened back up, I know my wife would return to her regular duties in a heartbeat. Because she knows how low the risk is, and how high the benefit is too the kids.

We need to show a little backbone. We've become a nation of cowards.

God help us if we are ever faced with a real challenge or threat


My mother, who survived World War II in Germany with Jewish ancestry, thinks this is a real challenge/threat. What do you know about real challenges/threats that she doesn't?


You know, you and your mother are both right. This is a real challenge; this is a real threat. And we are completely failing to meeting the challenge. The prior generations of Americans stood up and confronted the challenge. We are cowering in fear over it. In WWII, we saw the vulnerable and acted. Today, we see the vulnerable, and say "its ok; they'll be fine if they miss a few years of education, and social & emotional development; the kids will be alright."

That's failure and cowardice. We should all be ashamed of ourselves


Although it's true the US has the highest death count int he world for its population because we misthandled this challenge, closing schools was one of the few things they did right.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2020 10:04     Subject: We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Honestly, what makes you think we don't? If you're on DCUM, you're a committed parent.

In my family, my wife would be in the school 2-3 days a week. She was the class mom for 2 rooms, and organized all the holiday activities. There were weeks when she was there 5 days a week, and around more of the student population that the teachers.

and I, the dad, coach 2 teams. I'm out there, talking to the kids, who ar e breathing heavy from running. I know its not exact comparison, but teachers keep suggesting that parents aren't doing their part, or willng to take the risks. We are. Hell, I'm taking more risks by being around 40 kids 4 days a week.

and if school opened back up, I know my wife would return to her regular duties in a heartbeat. Because she knows how low the risk is, and how high the benefit is too the kids.

We need to show a little backbone. We've become a nation of cowards.

God help us if we are ever faced with a real challenge or threat


My mother, who survived World War II in Germany with Jewish ancestry, thinks this is a real challenge/threat. What do you know about real challenges/threats that she doesn't?


You know, you and your mother are both right. This is a real challenge; this is a real threat. And we are completely failing to meeting the challenge. The prior generations of Americans stood up and confronted the challenge. We are cowering in fear over it. In WWII, we saw the vulnerable and acted. Today, we see the vulnerable, and say "its ok; they'll be fine if they miss a few years of education, and social & emotional development; the kids will be alright."

That's failure and cowardice. We should all be ashamed of ourselves
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2020 09:58     Subject: We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
1. Mask enforcement.

2. Air filtration.

3. Overcrowding at many schools, particularly high schools.

4. Second wave in our area due to White House.


For all these reasons, we cannot return right now.



#3 isn't going away- ever. Guess your kid is never returning to in person learning.

This.
US high schools are overcrowded BY DESIGN. You stuff as many kids as you can in that building in order to offer different levels of different subjects.
Where I come from, schools are significantly smaller - and offering a fixed, however, rather rigorous, curriculum. If you want enriched math - or humanities, or what have you- you apply and subsequently transfer. No one is teaching 3 levels of algebra at a regular school; here they do, and apply economies of scale to the educational process.

Anonymous
Post 10/09/2020 04:11     Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not everyone needs to be judged by your mother’s survival story... it makes no sense to do that. However the Bradley Hills elementary outbreak is going to be just what MCPS needs to never go back.


You completely missed the point of the story.


Funny I thought the OP drew the wrong conclusion to begin with. Further their belief that there is low risk is anecdotal
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2020 21:34     Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Not everyone needs to be judged by your mother’s survival story... it makes no sense to do that. However the Bradley Hills elementary outbreak is going to be just what MCPS needs to never go back.


You completely missed the point of the story.
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2020 21:33     Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Not everyone needs to be judged by your mother’s survival story... it makes no sense to do that. However the Bradley Hills elementary outbreak is going to be just what MCPS needs to never go back.
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2020 21:13     Subject: We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Honestly, what makes you think we don't? If you're on DCUM, you're a committed parent.

In my family, my wife would be in the school 2-3 days a week. She was the class mom for 2 rooms, and organized all the holiday activities. There were weeks when she was there 5 days a week, and around more of the student population that the teachers.

and I, the dad, coach 2 teams. I'm out there, talking to the kids, who ar e breathing heavy from running. I know its not exact comparison, but teachers keep suggesting that parents aren't doing their part, or willng to take the risks. We are. Hell, I'm taking more risks by being around 40 kids 4 days a week.

and if school opened back up, I know my wife would return to her regular duties in a heartbeat. Because she knows how low the risk is, and how high the benefit is too the kids.

We need to show a little backbone. We've become a nation of cowards.

God help us if we are ever faced with a real challenge or threat


My mother, who survived World War II in Germany with Jewish ancestry, thinks this is a real challenge/threat. What do you know about real challenges/threats that she doesn't?


We haven't had a serious issue in our country like this in most people's lifetime so they don't take it seriously.
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2020 21:06     Subject: We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:
Honestly, what makes you think we don't? If you're on DCUM, you're a committed parent.

In my family, my wife would be in the school 2-3 days a week. She was the class mom for 2 rooms, and organized all the holiday activities. There were weeks when she was there 5 days a week, and around more of the student population that the teachers.

and I, the dad, coach 2 teams. I'm out there, talking to the kids, who ar e breathing heavy from running. I know its not exact comparison, but teachers keep suggesting that parents aren't doing their part, or willng to take the risks. We are. Hell, I'm taking more risks by being around 40 kids 4 days a week.

and if school opened back up, I know my wife would return to her regular duties in a heartbeat. Because she knows how low the risk is, and how high the benefit is too the kids.

We need to show a little backbone. We've become a nation of cowards.

God help us if we are ever faced with a real challenge or threat


My mother, who survived World War II in Germany with Jewish ancestry, thinks this is a real challenge/threat. What do you know about real challenges/threats that she doesn't?