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Anonymous wrote:Ives are seeking out people with exotic interests.

MIT admitted some who won a martial arts award, and rejected two Intel Sciences Competition semi-finalists (there are only 300 of them nationwide).

Wharton admitted someone whose main activities were in beauty queen contests.

300 nationwide is impressive but since almost all 300 probably apply to MIT, they can not all gain admittance. Please tll me there was something else to the beauty pageant queen. How are we even still having beauty pageants?

I agree that pageants are stupid. However, there were at least 3 “pageant girls” in my class at Harvard, one of whom then competed in Miss America as Miss Massachusetts. They were all smart, one was pre-med and is now a doctor. The only thing I didn’t like about them is that they wore way too much makeup on a daily basis. However that could just be cultural (they were from SC and FL).

Why are pageant contestants desirable admits at elite institutions of higher learning? sS there something about beauty pageants that translates to high level scholarship?

They're interesting!
No college (even Harvard) wants a class of Intel or STEM automatons.

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Anonymous wrote:Ives are seeking out people with exotic interests.

MIT admitted some who won a martial arts award, and rejected two Intel Sciences Competition semi-finalists (there are only 300 of them nationwide).

Wharton admitted someone whose main activities were in beauty queen contests.

300 nationwide is impressive but since almost all 300 probably apply to MIT, they can not all gain admittance. Please tll me there was something else to the beauty pageant queen. How are we even still having beauty pageants?

I agree that pageants are stupid. However, there were at least 3 “pageant girls” in my class at Harvard, one of whom then competed in Miss America as Miss Massachusetts. They were all smart, one was pre-med and is now a doctor. The only thing I didn’t like about them is that they wore way too much makeup on a daily basis. However that could just be cultural (they were from SC and FL).

Why are pageant contestants desirable admits at elite institutions of higher learning? sS there something about beauty pageants that translates to high level scholarship?

They're interesting!
No college (even Harvard) wants a class of Intel or STEM automatons.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD is a senior at a big 3 and is interested in HYP. 35 ACT, 3.9 unweighted most rigorous classes. No hook, but has played an instrument since first grade (no awards). We're full pay and she's thinking women's/gender studies . Chances? We are making her come up with some safeties but she has her heart set on HYP.

Is she checking that just to make it easier to get in? You don’t have to bow to your kid’s every whim. I say no to my kid whenever and wherever I feel like it. No way I’d allow “gender studies.”

+1. Dear God. No way would I pay for a "degree" like that, even from HYP.

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Anonymous wrote:Ives are seeking out people with exotic interests.

MIT admitted some who won a martial arts award, and rejected two Intel Sciences Competition semi-finalists (there are only 300 of them nationwide).

Wharton admitted someone whose main activities were in beauty queen contests.

300 nationwide is impressive but since almost all 300 probably apply to MIT, they can not all gain admittance. Please tll me there was something else to the beauty pageant queen. How are we even still having beauty pageants?

I agree that pageants are stupid. However, there were at least 3 “pageant girls” in my class at Harvard, one of whom then competed in Miss America as Miss Massachusetts. They were all smart, one was pre-med and is now a doctor. The only thing I didn’t like about them is that they wore way too much makeup on a daily basis. However that could just be cultural (they were from SC and FL).

Why are pageant contestants desirable admits at elite institutions of higher learning? sS there something about beauty pageants that translates to high level scholarship?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ives are seeking out people with exotic interests.

MIT admitted some who won a martial arts award, and rejected two Intel Sciences Competition semi-finalists (there are only 300 of them nationwide).

Wharton admitted someone whose main activities were in beauty queen contests.

300 nationwide is impressive but since almost all 300 probably apply to MIT, they can not all gain admittance. Please tll me there was something else to the beauty pageant queen. How are we even still having beauty pageants?

I agree that pageants are stupid. However, there were at least 3 “pageant girls” in my class at Harvard, one of whom then competed in Miss America as Miss Massachusetts. They were all smart, one was pre-med and is now a doctor. The only thing I didn’t like about them is that they wore way too much makeup on a daily basis. However that could just be cultural (they were from SC and FL).

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Anonymous wrote:Ives are seeking out people with exotic interests.

MIT admitted some who won a martial arts award, and rejected two Intel Sciences Competition semi-finalists (there are only 300 of them nationwide).

Wharton admitted someone whose main activities were in beauty queen contests.

300 nationwide is impressive but since almost all 300 probably apply to MIT, they can not all gain admittance. Please tll me there was something else to the beauty pageant queen. How are we even still having beauty pageants?

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Anonymous wrote:My DD is a senior at a big 3 and is interested in HYP. 35 ACT, 3.9 unweighted most rigorous classes. No hook, but has played an instrument since first grade (no awards). We're full pay and she's thinking women's/gender studies . Chances? We are making her come up with some safeties but she has her heart set on HYP.

should have played a sport.

I don't think the sport makes a big difference unless you're good enough to get recruited.

But with a decent resume like the OP's DD, playing a sport at a high level would help.

Not everyone can play sports at a high level. It's not a question of snapping your fingers and boom, you're an athlete.

I know recruiting for sports at the Ivies is controversial but even I acknowledge we're talking about kids who likely have put in far more hours and dedication to their sports than most of the bright Ivy qualified applicants did to their non sport hook areas.

maybe these athletes should spend less time on their sports and more time on their academics, then. because right now, they've got the lowest academic ratings.

Huh. Athletes generally get high gpas in college.

1. They don’t
2. We are talking about admissions. They are the least academically qualified group of admitted students.

Yes they do. They usually have the highest GPAs on campus as a group.

Woo hoo! With their communications and sociology majors. 🙄

Communications is an excellent major.

Anonymous wrote:Ives are seeking out people with exotic interests.

MIT admitted some who won a martial arts award, and rejected two Intel Sciences Competition semi-finalists (there are only 300 of them nationwide).

Wharton admitted someone whose main activities were in beauty queen contests.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think she'll get in. My kid had better stats, and was a nmsf and a Princeton legacy, but nope. When we went on college tours the admissions officers talked about the kids they admitted like the rodeo rider or the nail polish researching female chemical engineering applicant. I think they get bored with the cascades of top 1-2 percent students who become a blur of strong grades. You can apply but be sure to manage expectations, and apply elsewhere.

This was my daughter. She went to Stanford and was a great student, high test scores, but seriously her interest was ... makeup. Like working in Sephora, the beauty industry, and all that stuff. She did zero other activities.

What's funny is she went to Stanford and now works for a big tech company that is attempting to launch to a huge online beauty brand...so I guess those you tube tutorials I hated paid off? Who knows.

Anonymous wrote:I don't think she'll get in. My kid had better stats, and was a nmsf and a Princeton legacy, but nope. When we went on college tours the admissions officers talked about the kids they admitted like the rodeo rider or the nail polish researching female chemical engineering applicant. I think they get bored with the cascades of top 1-2 percent students who become a blur of strong grades. You can apply but be sure to manage expectations, and apply elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:MIT publishes the share of applicants at various grade and standardized test combinations that it accepts. At your daughter's level that's something like 10%. With that data point you can make assumptions about the probability of admission to the schools your daughter has an interest in relative to MIT and any hooks or lack of hooks she may have.

Interesting I went to MIT with 4.0 unweighted and 1500 SATs. According to their stats back then I was in their top 25%.

Still reliving the glory days?

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Anonymous wrote:MIT publishes the share of applicants at various grade and standardized test combinations that it accepts. At your daughter's level that's something like 10%. With that data point you can make assumptions about the probability of admission to the schools your daughter has an interest in relative to MIT and any hooks or lack of hooks she may have.

Interesting I went to MIT with 4.0 unweighted and 1500 SATs. According to their stats back then I was in their top 25%.