Anonymous
09/02/2020 17:06
Subject: Re:JMU Sending Students Home
Anonymous wrote:OK - here's what I would do if I was running the school.
a) If your kid tests positive....he/she must quarantine for 14 days AT HOME if within 3-4 hrs drive. All others must quarantine on campus, hotel, etc.
b) If your kid has Covid symptoms and tests positive...he/she MUST GO HOME for treatment at home.
ALL STUDENTS MUST BE DIRECTED TO GET TESTED -- ON THEIR OWN/PARENTS DIME!!
ALL STUDENTS CAUGHT VIOLATING COVID PROTOCOLS -- Suspended and Sent home! Violating COVID protocol should be treated same as violating the honor code/cheating on test.
Is this perfect? No....but this way...the students who test negative and follow protocol get to stay on campus.
And this is why you are not an administrator. If a kid is sent home, they will infect their family, some of whom are in a high risk groups.
Anonymous
09/02/2020 17:05
Subject: JMU Sending Students Home
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-30/colleges-with-covid-outbreaks-advised-to-keep-students-on-campus
They should keep students on campus and try to keep infection rate down; not send them home to infect the community
You remember back in late February when that one hospital in Italy discovered they had a couple cases, so they evacuated the entire hospital instead of locking it down? Remember how that literally destroyed their nation? That’s exactly what colleges are doing.
Yes, they are. But, what else are they supposed to do? Do they have the facilities, hospitals to take care of the students? No. Did they make any field hospitals? No. So, what? Lock them up and see who survives? Make two daily phone calls to quarantined ill students? Who can't tell if they have no oxygen? While all of us at home are mature adults and know to go to the hospital and we all know that young adults have very little common sense or a sense of how bad things are? When our kids might need to be in a hospital but are scared and told to stay in, lest they infect someone? Is that the price you are ok to pay? Young people die from it too. I am sure that without meds and care some of them need, many more will die than would happen otherwise.
I will be taking my kid home if she falls sick. How callous can you get?
Out of a few hundred college students with coronavirus, do you know how many would need to be hospitalized, based on a wealth of data? Less than one. So calm down. Field hospitals? If you are this anxious, not to memtion misinformed, you should have kept your kid home.
Anonymous
09/02/2020 17:00
Subject: Re:JMU Sending Students Home
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech, GMU, William and Mary, VCU, UVA... all of these schools set up testing as a requirement. They all seems to be doing okay.
I was going to have my sophomore JMU student get tested before returning, and it looked like he need to have symptoms, underlying conditions or a known exposure in order to even qualify for a test, so I'll admit that we skipped it. Maybe I misunderstood how widely available testing is in Northern VA. I know that students at some schools received tests in the mail to self-administer - did any VA schools do that?
He's off campus and plans to stay. If I had a freshman at JMU or just about any campus this year, I don't think I would have moved them in and probably would have pushed a deferral.
For the record, he actually applied to the school - excellent faculty in his major (there were no other reasonable options for the major in VA and he wants to save $$$ for grad school).
This is what VCU did.
VCU, GMU and W&M all did pre-testing via self-administration (though there's some worry about that because it is self-administered and some critique that it's not appropriate). Looking at these school's stats they all have really low positives. I'm concerned the tests weren't sensitive enough but I'm not an expert.
My DC1 is at a SLAC where the nurse did the swab up the nose far enough to touch his brain. They administered about 2500 tests to faculty, staff and students and got 6 positives— .2% positivity. They are now doing asymptomatic surveillance testing and reported 600 tests with no cases. I think affluent white kids of the type that go to WM or a SLAC just aren’t in the communities being hardest hit.
The test kits for these schools were a throat swab. GMU is not primarily affluent kids using the same test kits and they have 7500 students living on campus (density reduced from 9k) and reporting virtually no cases yet. W&M only has freshman on campus until 9/8 so that may be a difference. GMU just switched testing protocol to not self-administered so we'll see.
Anonymous
09/02/2020 16:50
Subject: Re:JMU Sending Students Home
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech, GMU, William and Mary, VCU, UVA... all of these schools set up testing as a requirement. They all seems to be doing okay.
I was going to have my sophomore JMU student get tested before returning, and it looked like he need to have symptoms, underlying conditions or a known exposure in order to even qualify for a test, so I'll admit that we skipped it. Maybe I misunderstood how widely available testing is in Northern VA. I know that students at some schools received tests in the mail to self-administer - did any VA schools do that?
He's off campus and plans to stay. If I had a freshman at JMU or just about any campus this year, I don't think I would have moved them in and probably would have pushed a deferral.
For the record, he actually applied to the school - excellent faculty in his major (there were no other reasonable options for the major in VA and he wants to save $$$ for grad school).
This is what VCU did.
VCU, GMU and W&M all did pre-testing via self-administration (though there's some worry about that because it is self-administered and some critique that it's not appropriate). Looking at these school's stats they all have really low positives. I'm concerned the tests weren't sensitive enough but I'm not an expert.
My DC1 is at a SLAC where the nurse did the swab up the nose far enough to touch his brain. They administered about 2500 tests to faculty, staff and students and got 6 positives— .2% positivity. They are now doing asymptomatic surveillance testing and reported 600 tests with no cases. I think affluent white kids of the type that go to WM or a SLAC just aren’t in the communities being hardest hit.
Anonymous
09/02/2020 16:46
Subject: Re:JMU Sending Students Home
Anonymous wrote:UVA students received test kits in the mail prior to returning to grounds.
So did other large school like Purdue. Which, honestly, I don’t get. My DD’s friend is a Purdue freshman. She was assigned a virtual waiting room 2 weeks before coming to campus. They gave her directions to administer the test and watched and she mailed it in. Seems like a good plan. Except— how is a test from 2 weeks, or even one week before move in useful. DD’s friend kept working for a week after testing, and was hanging out with friends and her boyfriend before leaving. A kid who is positive 2 weeks out I’d likely fine when school starts. A kid who is negative has a lot of time to have goodbye parties and be in crowds.
It seems like all the mail in tests do is give kids a false sense of security. But maybe there is a benefit? I’m seriously asking. They have the tests to administer, and DD’s friend was cleared about 3 days after she sent her sample in overnight. So, they clearly that the ability to process the tests. Why not test on arrival? My DD tested before move in and was in quarantine for the 48 hours it took to be cleared. Kids from hotspots were given a second test 5-7 days after arrival. Plus they are surveillance testing. To hat makes more sense to me.
Anonymous
09/02/2020 16:38
Subject: JMU Sending Students Home
There goes New Jersey’s low case count
Anonymous
09/02/2020 16:37
Subject: Re:JMU Sending Students Home
Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech, GMU, William and Mary, VCU, UVA... all of these schools set up testing as a requirement. They all seems to be doing okay.
I was going to have my sophomore JMU student get tested before returning, and it looked like he need to have symptoms, underlying conditions or a known exposure in order to even qualify for a test, so I'll admit that we skipped it. Maybe I misunderstood how widely available testing is in Northern VA. I know that students at some schools received tests in the mail to self-administer - did any VA schools do that?
He's off campus and plans to stay. If I had a freshman at JMU or just about any campus this year, I don't think I would have moved them in and probably would have pushed a deferral.
For the record, he actually applied to the school - excellent faculty in his major (there were no other reasonable options for the major in VA and he wants to save $$$ for grad school).
FYI, VA has asymptomatic testing with a 48 hour turnaround right now. Adults can go through an urgent care or CVS. Literally book an appointment at a CVS medication pickup drive through online. It’s. a little harder for minors. My minor child was in a hotspot state this summer. Her pediatrician is not doing asymptomatic testing for kids without a known exposure. But they referred me to PM Pediatrics, which is. I did a five minute telehealth appointment on my iPad. Explained to the MD my child had been in a hotspot, but not directly exposed, that we know of and we wanted to protect the family and the community (to the extent a parent could be exposed). We got a same day appointment 10 minutes from my house. They have multiple locations in NOVA. In and out in under 15 minutes, very nice staff, no one in the waiting room. Less than 2 day turnaround. They said they were running 5-6 days in July, but are now back down to under 48 hours.
Consultation and test were free with my federal health insurance.
Anonymous
09/02/2020 16:34
Subject: Re:JMU Sending Students Home
OK - here's what I would do if I was running the school.
a) If your kid tests positive....he/she must quarantine for 14 days AT HOME if within 3-4 hrs drive. All others must quarantine on campus, hotel, etc.
b) If your kid has Covid symptoms and tests positive...he/she MUST GO HOME for treatment at home.
ALL STUDENTS MUST BE DIRECTED TO GET TESTED -- ON THEIR OWN/PARENTS DIME!!
ALL STUDENTS CAUGHT VIOLATING COVID PROTOCOLS -- Suspended and Sent home! Violating COVID protocol should be treated same as violating the honor code/cheating on test.
Is this perfect? No....but this way...the students who test negative and follow protocol get to stay on campus.
a) If your kid tests positive....he/she must quarantine for 14 days AT HOME if within 3-4 hrs drive. All others must quarantine on campus, hotel, etc.
b) If your kid has Covid symptoms and tests positive...he/she MUST GO HOME for treatment at home.
ALL STUDENTS MUST BE DIRECTED TO GET TESTED -- ON THEIR OWN/PARENTS DIME!!
ALL STUDENTS CAUGHT VIOLATING COVID PROTOCOLS -- Suspended and Sent home! Violating COVID protocol should be treated same as violating the honor code/cheating on test.
Is this perfect? No....but this way...the students who test negative and follow protocol get to stay on campus.
Anonymous
09/02/2020 16:20
Subject: JMU Sending Students Home
What is this herd immunity everyone here is talking about? I am no a virologist, but are we not having peopel reinfected?
Anonymous
09/02/2020 16:19
Subject: JMU Sending Students Home
Anonymous wrote:
This is a mistake.
By the end of the month, cases will be trending downward at the open colleges and most will be in good shape by November
No matter what, colleges will have an uptick of cases when they open, it's inevitable.
Absolutely agree. Why is no one talking about this? Once a school gets this number of cases, the best thing to do is leave everyone there and let it run its course. In a month, they'll have herd immunity, no one will die or even get that sick, and they'll be back in class. Until then, just do online learning. Send kids with immune deficiency and who are obese home. By sending everyone home now, you're re-seeding the virus back in small communities. This is literally the worst thing you could do. We'll now have another "wave" in NOVA due to returning JMU kids, which actually *will* kill people.
I am sure you are ok with doing the same if is was your kid? Waiting for a phone call, God forbid while you child is alone and possibly dying?
Anonymous
09/02/2020 16:13
Subject: JMU Sending Students Home
What a cluster f&%$! Administration should be fired.
Anonymous
09/02/2020 16:11
Subject: JMU Sending Students Home
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-30/colleges-with-covid-outbreaks-advised-to-keep-students-on-campus
They should keep students on campus and try to keep infection rate down; not send them home to infect the community
You remember back in late February when that one hospital in Italy discovered they had a couple cases, so they evacuated the entire hospital instead of locking it down? Remember how that literally destroyed their nation? That’s exactly what colleges are doing.
Yes, they are. But, what else are they supposed to do? Do they have the facilities, hospitals to take care of the students? No. Did they make any field hospitals? No. So, what? Lock them up and see who survives? Make two daily phone calls to quarantined ill students? Who can't tell if they have no oxygen? While all of us at home are mature adults and know to go to the hospital and we all know that young adults have very little common sense or a sense of how bad things are? When our kids might need to be in a hospital but are scared and told to stay in, lest they infect someone? Is that the price you are ok to pay? Young people die from it too. I am sure that without meds and care some of them need, many more will die than would happen otherwise.
I will be taking my kid home if she falls sick. How callous can you get?
Anonymous
09/02/2020 16:04
Subject: Re:JMU Sending Students Home
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech, GMU, William and Mary, VCU, UVA... all of these schools set up testing as a requirement. They all seems to be doing okay.
I was going to have my sophomore JMU student get tested before returning, and it looked like he need to have symptoms, underlying conditions or a known exposure in order to even qualify for a test, so I'll admit that we skipped it. Maybe I misunderstood how widely available testing is in Northern VA. I know that students at some schools received tests in the mail to self-administer - did any VA schools do that?
He's off campus and plans to stay. If I had a freshman at JMU or just about any campus this year, I don't think I would have moved them in and probably would have pushed a deferral.
For the record, he actually applied to the school - excellent faculty in his major (there were no other reasonable options for the major in VA and he wants to save $$$ for grad school).
This is what VCU did.
If you administer the test yourself you’re not going to put the stick as high in your nose than if someone else administered it; therefore, a lot of false negatives.
VCU, GMU and W&M all did pre-testing via self-administration (though there's some worry about that because it is self-administered and some critique that it's not appropriate). Looking at these school's stats they all have really low positives. I'm concerned the tests weren't sensitive enough but I'm not an expert.
A lot of colleges used self administered saliva tests that had to be done with a provider over zoom. The administration of those requires a lot less accuracy.
Anonymous
09/02/2020 16:00
Subject: Re:JMU Sending Students Home
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech, GMU, William and Mary, VCU, UVA... all of these schools set up testing as a requirement. They all seems to be doing okay.
I was going to have my sophomore JMU student get tested before returning, and it looked like he need to have symptoms, underlying conditions or a known exposure in order to even qualify for a test, so I'll admit that we skipped it. Maybe I misunderstood how widely available testing is in Northern VA. I know that students at some schools received tests in the mail to self-administer - did any VA schools do that?
He's off campus and plans to stay. If I had a freshman at JMU or just about any campus this year, I don't think I would have moved them in and probably would have pushed a deferral.
For the record, he actually applied to the school - excellent faculty in his major (there were no other reasonable options for the major in VA and he wants to save $$$ for grad school).
This is what VCU did.
If you administer the test yourself you’re not going to put the stick as high in your nose than if someone else administered it; therefore, a lot of false negatives.
VCU, GMU and W&M all did pre-testing via self-administration (though there's some worry about that because it is self-administered and some critique that it's not appropriate). Looking at these school's stats they all have really low positives. I'm concerned the tests weren't sensitive enough but I'm not an expert.
Anonymous
09/02/2020 16:00
Subject: JMU Sending Students Home
Anonymous wrote:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-30/colleges-with-covid-outbreaks-advised-to-keep-students-on-campus
They should keep students on campus and try to keep infection rate down; not send them home to infect the community
+1