Was the point of this stupid thread always to dump on one school - CalTech - or is that just how it devolved?

You people are pathetic.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine complaining about putting Cal Tech on the same "list" as Harvard or MIT. Delusional folks need to get out more.

Imagine complaining about Cal Tech starting out as a technical school, as if the Ivies starting out as clergy schools makes them better.

Cal Tech lacks medical/business/law and graduate schools in many disciplines yet ranks among the best in the US and world on science and engineering research alone.

The student-faculty ratio at Cal Tech is 3:1. It's similar to European research institutes that primarily exists entirely for research and accepts a few undergraduates every year, smaller than most high schools.

Let’s just say CalTech is an adopted child of your imaginary list that’s constantly in fear of being kicked out of the imaginary group. Even these CalTech nerds wouldn’t be there had they gotten into Stanford, MIT, Harvard, Yale, Columbia...

You are wrong. Caltech (not CalTech or Cal Tech) is a peer of MIT, both undergrad and grad. In many fields, Caltech is by far the best place in the country. JPL was founded because a couple of Caltech students were experimenting with rocket motors, and nearly blew up the labs. Instead of kicking them out, they gave them a place to experiment away from population.

Caltech seismology lab is world class. Far better than the MIT or Harvard counterparts.

There are other examples.

Fundamentally, though, I would not want my child to go to Caltech Undergrad. I would choose a more LAC curriculum.

There you go again - what a great school CalTech is blah blah blah - only to admit you would not send your kids there if they can go elsewhere. Same with the poster immediately above you. If his or her kids can go to Harvey Mudd, s/he would not choose CalTech. It’s a highly specialized school, not for those broad minded liberal arts types who have other options. It’s in the league with California Maritime. It’s a highly specialized technical school that is part of the same school system to which Cal State Fullerton belongs. Pay scale shows CalTech is just a notch above what is basically a Cal State vocational school. Schools like Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Harvey Mudd, on the other hand, are in a different league.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine complaining about putting Cal Tech on the same "list" as Harvard or MIT. Delusional folks need to get out more.

Imagine complaining about Cal Tech starting out as a technical school, as if the Ivies starting out as clergy schools makes them better.

Cal Tech lacks medical/business/law and graduate schools in many disciplines yet ranks among the best in the US and world on science and engineering research alone.

The student-faculty ratio at Cal Tech is 3:1. It's similar to European research institutes that primarily exists entirely for research and accepts a few undergraduates every year, smaller than most high schools.

Let’s just say CalTech is an adopted child of your imaginary list that’s constantly in fear of being kicked out of the imaginary group. Even these CalTech nerds wouldn’t be there had they gotten into Stanford, MIT, Harvard, Yale, Columbia...

You are wrong. Caltech (not CalTech or Cal Tech) is a peer of MIT, both undergrad and grad. In many fields, Caltech is by far the best place in the country. JPL was founded because a couple of Caltech students were experimenting with rocket motors, and nearly blew up the labs. Instead of kicking them out, they gave them a place to experiment away from population.

Caltech seismology lab is world class. Far better than the MIT or Harvard counterparts.

There are other examples.

Fundamentally, though, I would not want my child to go to Caltech Undergrad. I would choose a more LAC curriculum.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine complaining about putting Cal Tech on the same "list" as Harvard or MIT. Delusional folks need to get out more.

Imagine complaining about Cal Tech starting out as a technical school, as if the Ivies starting out as clergy schools makes them better.

Cal Tech lacks medical/business/law and graduate schools in many disciplines yet ranks among the best in the US and world on science and engineering research alone.

The student-faculty ratio at Cal Tech is 3:1. It's similar to European research institutes that primarily exists entirely for research and accepts a few undergraduates every year, smaller than most high schools.

Let’s just say CalTech is an adopted child of your imaginary list that’s constantly in fear of being kicked out of the imaginary group. Even these CalTech nerds wouldn’t be there had they gotten into Stanford, MIT, Harvard, Yale, Columbia...

Caltech is the hardest academic school for STEM in the country. You would not go there except for STEM. It is the ultimate meritocracy. I do not care what it was 100 years ago. Today, only the best minds can graduate from Caltech undergrad. Only the best minds can graduate from MIT also. MIT is a broader school than Caltech -- more majors, larger. My only complaint about Caltech is its intensity. And if I had a kid that was interested in Caltech, I would try to get them to look at the best STEM LAC: Harvey Mudd.

Anonymous wrote:Imagine complaining about putting Cal Tech on the same "list" as Harvard or MIT. Delusional folks need to get out more.

Imagine complaining about Cal Tech starting out as a technical school, as if the Ivies starting out as clergy schools makes them better.

Cal Tech lacks medical/business/law and graduate schools in many disciplines yet ranks among the best in the US and world on science and engineering research alone.

The student-faculty ratio at Cal Tech is 3:1. It's similar to European research institutes that primarily exists entirely for research and accepts a few undergraduates every year, smaller than most high schools.

Let’s just say CalTech is an adopted child of your imaginary list that’s constantly in fear of being kicked out of the imaginary group. Even these CalTech nerds wouldn’t be there had they gotten into Stanford, MIT, Harvard, Yale, Columbia...

Imagine complaining about putting Cal Tech on the same "list" as Harvard or MIT. Delusional folks need to get out more.

Imagine complaining about Cal Tech starting out as a technical school, as if the Ivies starting out as clergy schools makes them better.

Cal Tech lacks medical/business/law and graduate schools in many disciplines yet ranks among the best in the US and world on science and engineering research alone.

The student-faculty ratio at Cal Tech is 3:1. It's similar to European research institutes that primarily exists entirely for research and accepts a few undergraduates every year, smaller than most high schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Overrated schools for academics:

Johns Hopkins outside of Pre-med/natural sciences
Washington University outside of Pre-med/natural sciences
UVA for everything (especially on this board)
U-Chicago outside of humanities/economics
Notre Dame
Georgetown outside of international relations/government
Vanderbilt for everything

Brown, Yale are also heavily overrated in STEM discipline. Dartmouth overrated for everything other than going into investment banking.
But their prestige as Ivies can outweigh whatever academics they may be lacking.

Bizarre posting or possible troll.

Counter-argument or leave the thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Any Ivy...

signed, an Ivy grad who would go to a state school if he had to do it again.

Why?

I’m guessing because the PP is a loser that ended up flipping burgers at McDonalds.

Anonymous wrote:Any Ivy...

signed, an Ivy grad who would go to a state school if he had to do it again.

Why?

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Anonymous wrote:Ah, OP needs to change the title to, “Schools that rejected both me AND my kids...”

Yeah I'm sure that's why no one has posted MIT, Harvard, Berkeley, Cal Tech etc. as overrated, because they've accepted all the kids of every poster here.

Or perhaps you saw a school you are associated as correctly being called overrated.

Who thinks of Cal Tech as on par as MIT, let alone Harvard? Other than the occasional booster, people correctly rate Cal Tech and Berkeley a notch or two below the top schools. That's why those two schools are not called overrated.

What are bizarre post. First you insinuate that the only schools called 'overrated' are schools that the person themselves didn't get into. You think that everyone's kids is getting into Harvard, Cal Tech, MIT, Berkeley here? If not, why aren't they being overrated?

And yes Cal Tech is on par with MIT, which makes it better than Harvard in academic rigor

CalTech used to be a vocational school until it came to money. First thing it did was to buy prestige from academic power houses like Oberlin and Columbia. It’s a vocational school that’s Maybe two Notches above universities such as Cal State that caters to blue collar families.

Wrong!

Is Astrophysics a good vocation? How does its prospects compare to plumbing? Pipe fitting? How about Bioengineering? Is that kind of like carpentry?

I said it used to be a vocational school. This is a fact. That’s it’s pedigree. And it shows.

Harvard started off to educate clergy. MIT was known as Boston Tech. Princeton was the College of New Jersey until 1896. Get over it.

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Anonymous wrote:Ah, OP needs to change the title to, “Schools that rejected both me AND my kids...”

Yeah I'm sure that's why no one has posted MIT, Harvard, Berkeley, Cal Tech etc. as overrated, because they've accepted all the kids of every poster here.

Or perhaps you saw a school you are associated as correctly being called overrated.

Who thinks of Cal Tech as on par as MIT, let alone Harvard? Other than the occasional booster, people correctly rate Cal Tech and Berkeley a notch or two below the top schools. That's why those two schools are not called overrated.

What are bizarre post. First you insinuate that the only schools called 'overrated' are schools that the person themselves didn't get into. You think that everyone's kids is getting into Harvard, Cal Tech, MIT, Berkeley here? If not, why aren't they being overrated?

And yes Cal Tech is on par with MIT, which makes it better than Harvard in academic rigor

CalTech used to be a vocational school until it came to money. First thing it did was to buy prestige from academic power houses like Oberlin and Columbia. It’s a vocational school that’s Maybe two Notches above universities such as Cal State that caters to blue collar families.

Wrong!

Is Astrophysics a good vocation? How does its prospects compare to plumbing? Pipe fitting? How about Bioengineering? Is that kind of like carpentry?

I said it used to be a vocational school. This is a fact. That’s it’s pedigree. And it shows.

It was... but it hasn't been since 1910. You area little behind the times.

Oh, and so was MIT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Institute_of_Technology

Wiki says MIT was a polytechnic school in the European tradition. CalTech was a local vocational school, not a European polytechnic university.
Pay scale ROI ranks CalTech at #10, just few notches above California Maritime, part of the Cal State system. Its literally a notch above Cal State schools.

https://www.payscale.com/college-roi

The top 10 in ROI are free schools (the academies), specialist schools, and MIT, Harvey Mudd, and Caltech. Caltech is ranked above Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, etc. . . You actually thought this was going to help you make your case?

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Anonymous wrote:Ah, OP needs to change the title to, “Schools that rejected both me AND my kids...”

Yeah I'm sure that's why no one has posted MIT, Harvard, Berkeley, Cal Tech etc. as overrated, because they've accepted all the kids of every poster here.

Or perhaps you saw a school you are associated as correctly being called overrated.

Who thinks of Cal Tech as on par as MIT, let alone Harvard? Other than the occasional booster, people correctly rate Cal Tech and Berkeley a notch or two below the top schools. That's why those two schools are not called overrated.

What are bizarre post. First you insinuate that the only schools called 'overrated' are schools that the person themselves didn't get into. You think that everyone's kids is getting into Harvard, Cal Tech, MIT, Berkeley here? If not, why aren't they being overrated?

And yes Cal Tech is on par with MIT, which makes it better than Harvard in academic rigor

CalTech used to be a vocational school until it came to money. First thing it did was to buy prestige from academic power houses like Oberlin and Columbia. It’s a vocational school that’s Maybe two Notches above universities such as Cal State that caters to blue collar families.

Wrong!

Is Astrophysics a good vocation? How does its prospects compare to plumbing? Pipe fitting? How about Bioengineering? Is that kind of like carpentry?

I said it used to be a vocational school. This is a fact. That’s it’s pedigree. And it shows.

It was... but it hasn't been since 1910. You area little behind the times.

Oh, and so was MIT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Institute_of_Technology

Wiki says MIT was a polytechnic school in the European tradition. CalTech was a local vocational school, not a European polytechnic university.
Pay scale ROI ranks CalTech at #10, just few notches above California Maritime, part of the Cal State system. Its literally a notch above Cal State schools.

https://www.payscale.com/college-roi

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Anonymous wrote:Ah, OP needs to change the title to, “Schools that rejected both me AND my kids...”

Yeah I'm sure that's why no one has posted MIT, Harvard, Berkeley, Cal Tech etc. as overrated, because they've accepted all the kids of every poster here.

Or perhaps you saw a school you are associated as correctly being called overrated.

Who thinks of Cal Tech as on par as MIT, let alone Harvard? Other than the occasional booster, people correctly rate Cal Tech and Berkeley a notch or two below the top schools. That's why those two schools are not called overrated.

What are bizarre post. First you insinuate that the only schools called 'overrated' are schools that the person themselves didn't get into. You think that everyone's kids is getting into Harvard, Cal Tech, MIT, Berkeley here? If not, why aren't they being overrated?

And yes Cal Tech is on par with MIT, which makes it better than Harvard in academic rigor

CalTech used to be a vocational school until it came to money. First thing it did was to buy prestige from academic power houses like Oberlin and Columbia. It’s a vocational school that’s Maybe two Notches above universities such as Cal State that caters to blue collar families.

Wrong!

Is Astrophysics a good vocation? How does its prospects compare to plumbing? Pipe fitting? How about Bioengineering? Is that kind of like carpentry?

I said it used to be a vocational school. This is a fact. That’s it’s pedigree. And it shows.

It was... but it hasn't been since 1910. You area little behind the times.

Oh, and so was MIT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Institute_of_Technology

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Anonymous wrote:The point to remember is that status of colleges and universities is not static, its a moveable feast. So while one poster thinks Cal Tech is way below MIT they are probably gauging this on their peer experiences. While the fact is, Cal Tech has moved up the ranks, to the point that the poster made about MIT recognizing it as equal.

See? Not every one sees blue when you say "blue" sometimes they see shades of "green".

You really don't get to be #2 on a list like this if you are one step above Cal State Fullerton, as someone was claiming.

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2020/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

It’s about 1-2 notches above Cal State SLO or San Jose State. Not sure how much higher it is above UC Berkeley

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Anonymous wrote:Ah, OP needs to change the title to, “Schools that rejected both me AND my kids...”

Yeah I'm sure that's why no one has posted MIT, Harvard, Berkeley, Cal Tech etc. as overrated, because they've accepted all the kids of every poster here.

Or perhaps you saw a school you are associated as correctly being called overrated.

Who thinks of Cal Tech as on par as MIT, let alone Harvard? Other than the occasional booster, people correctly rate Cal Tech and Berkeley a notch or two below the top schools. That's why those two schools are not called overrated.

What are bizarre post. First you insinuate that the only schools called 'overrated' are schools that the person themselves didn't get into. You think that everyone's kids is getting into Harvard, Cal Tech, MIT, Berkeley here? If not, why aren't they being overrated?

And yes Cal Tech is on par with MIT, which makes it better than Harvard in academic rigor

CalTech used to be a vocational school until it came to money. First thing it did was to buy prestige from academic power houses like Oberlin and Columbia. It’s a vocational school that’s Maybe two Notches above universities such as Cal State that caters to blue collar families.

Wrong!

Is Astrophysics a good vocation? How does its prospects compare to plumbing? Pipe fitting? How about Bioengineering? Is that kind of like carpentry?

I said it used to be a vocational school. This is a fact. That’s it’s pedigree. And it shows.