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Post 05/04/2020 14:11     Subject: Summer Swim Canceled
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Anonymous wrote:Why would you need to do social distsncing in the pool? Chlorine kills it and you're in open air.


Chlorine won’t help when the swimmer in the lane next to you cough or sneezes. Then there is the issue of the team area, clerk of course....


There are usually tons of kids waiting at the side of the pool for practice. We have 10-15 kids at times in one lane. The meets with 300+ kids on two large teams, plus families is a recipe for disaster.


Riiiight. So you have to do it differently.


Explain how you think it could work. The option I see for summer swim
Fail:

1. Practice is spread out over time - instead of from 8-11:30, it’s much longer so that fewer kids come to many practices. Nope - coach won’t wait around for that and the pool can’t close all day.

2. Kids swim and don’t stop at either end. Nope - summer (only) swimmers can’t do this.

3. Kids swim a few laps and get out and rest. Won’t for work many 8 and unders and some 9-10s. Who will keep them apart while they rest? The coach will be watching those finishing swimming and not the kids out of the pool. Who has enough deck space to do this effectively? Kids will try to talk to each other.

4. Kids swim a lap then get out and slowly walk around the pool and get in again. Some kids will be faster and several will still be hitting the wall at the same time as the person ahead of them. Likely bottlenecks will happen.

Open to ideas!


Most kids are already out and about playing with one another, at least in my NoVa neighborhood. So bring on swim team.
I know very few families that have actually managed to keep their kids away from all other children for the past 7 weeks.


Those of us responsible parents have not allowed our kids to be with other kids and families. Those families who are irresponsible, like you are the reason why we cannot have swim team as normal.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2020 13:55     Subject: Summer Swim Canceled
my kids are running and scootering in the neighborhood, with their siblings. Not other families, and neither is any one else in our exurban fairfax neighbrhood.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2020 13:45     Subject: Re:Summer Swim Canceled
I can’t listen to Northam at 2, but please report back here if any relevant updates. Thanks!
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2020 13:41     Subject: Summer Swim Canceled
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Most kids are already out and about playing with one another, at least in my NoVa neighborhood. So bring on swim team.
I know very few families that have actually managed to keep their kids away from all other children for the past 7 weeks.


Please tell me where this is that kids are out and about playing with each other in NVA.


I can't disclose the location for fear of the social distancing police, but seriously kids are out riding bikes and running all over the neighborhood.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2020 13:37     Subject: Summer Swim Canceled
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Anonymous wrote:Why would you need to do social distsncing in the pool? Chlorine kills it and you're in open air.


Chlorine won’t help when the swimmer in the lane next to you cough or sneezes. Then there is the issue of the team area, clerk of course....


There are usually tons of kids waiting at the side of the pool for practice. We have 10-15 kids at times in one lane. The meets with 300+ kids on two large teams, plus families is a recipe for disaster.


Riiiight. So you have to do it differently.


Explain how you think it could work. The option I see for summer swim
Fail:

1. Practice is spread out over time - instead of from 8-11:30, it’s much longer so that fewer kids come to many practices. Nope - coach won’t wait around for that and the pool can’t close all day.

2. Kids swim and don’t stop at either end. Nope - summer (only) swimmers can’t do this.

3. Kids swim a few laps and get out and rest. Won’t for work many 8 and unders and some 9-10s. Who will keep them apart while they rest? The coach will be watching those finishing swimming and not the kids out of the pool. Who has enough deck space to do this effectively? Kids will try to talk to each other.

4. Kids swim a lap then get out and slowly walk around the pool and get in again. Some kids will be faster and several will still be hitting the wall at the same time as the person ahead of them. Likely bottlenecks will happen.

Open to ideas!


Most kids are already out and about playing with one another, at least in my NoVa neighborhood. So bring on swim team.
I know very few families that have actually managed to keep their kids away from all other children for the past 7 weeks.


We are in nva and our kids have been kept separate. No one is in our cul de sac anymore except kids playing alone outside.


Same, and we are really ready for some activities. Most people I know haven't been letting their kids get together. If its ok for non-essential businesses to open, it's ok for swim team.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2020 13:35     Subject: Summer Swim Canceled
I think its fine to start swim team. Do what you can to distance the adults during meets (one timer, text the times instead of write them on a card etc). No refunds if the swim team has to end abruptly or pause due to an outbreak.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2020 13:14     Subject: Summer Swim Canceled
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Anonymous wrote:Why would you need to do social distsncing in the pool? Chlorine kills it and you're in open air.


Chlorine won’t help when the swimmer in the lane next to you cough or sneezes. Then there is the issue of the team area, clerk of course....


There are usually tons of kids waiting at the side of the pool for practice. We have 10-15 kids at times in one lane. The meets with 300+ kids on two large teams, plus families is a recipe for disaster.


Riiiight. So you have to do it differently.


Explain how you think it could work. The option I see for summer swim
Fail:

1. Practice is spread out over time - instead of from 8-11:30, it’s much longer so that fewer kids come to many practices. Nope - coach won’t wait around for that and the pool can’t close all day.

2. Kids swim and don’t stop at either end. Nope - summer (only) swimmers can’t do this.

3. Kids swim a few laps and get out and rest. Won’t for work many 8 and unders and some 9-10s. Who will keep them apart while they rest? The coach will be watching those finishing swimming and not the kids out of the pool. Who has enough deck space to do this effectively? Kids will try to talk to each other.

4. Kids swim a lap then get out and slowly walk around the pool and get in again. Some kids will be faster and several will still be hitting the wall at the same time as the person ahead of them. Likely bottlenecks will happen.

Open to ideas!


Most kids are already out and about playing with one another, at least in my NoVa neighborhood. So bring on swim team.
I know very few families that have actually managed to keep their kids away from all other children for the past 7 weeks.


Please tell me where this is that kids are out and about playing with each other in NVA.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2020 12:15     Subject: Summer Swim Canceled
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Anonymous wrote:Why would you need to do social distsncing in the pool? Chlorine kills it and you're in open air.


Chlorine won’t help when the swimmer in the lane next to you cough or sneezes. Then there is the issue of the team area, clerk of course....


There are usually tons of kids waiting at the side of the pool for practice. We have 10-15 kids at times in one lane. The meets with 300+ kids on two large teams, plus families is a recipe for disaster.


Riiiight. So you have to do it differently.


Explain how you think it could work. The option I see for summer swim
Fail:

1. Practice is spread out over time - instead of from 8-11:30, it’s much longer so that fewer kids come to many practices. Nope - coach won’t wait around for that and the pool can’t close all day.

2. Kids swim and don’t stop at either end. Nope - summer (only) swimmers can’t do this.

3. Kids swim a few laps and get out and rest. Won’t for work many 8 and unders and some 9-10s. Who will keep them apart while they rest? The coach will be watching those finishing swimming and not the kids out of the pool. Who has enough deck space to do this effectively? Kids will try to talk to each other.

4. Kids swim a lap then get out and slowly walk around the pool and get in again. Some kids will be faster and several will still be hitting the wall at the same time as the person ahead of them. Likely bottlenecks will happen.

Open to ideas!


Most kids are already out and about playing with one another, at least in my NoVa neighborhood. So bring on swim team.
I know very few families that have actually managed to keep their kids away from all other children for the past 7 weeks.


We are in nva and our kids have been kept separate. No one is in our cul de sac anymore except kids playing alone outside.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2020 11:50     Subject: Summer Swim Canceled
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Anonymous wrote:Why would you need to do social distsncing in the pool? Chlorine kills it and you're in open air.


Chlorine won’t help when the swimmer in the lane next to you cough or sneezes. Then there is the issue of the team area, clerk of course....


There are usually tons of kids waiting at the side of the pool for practice. We have 10-15 kids at times in one lane. The meets with 300+ kids on two large teams, plus families is a recipe for disaster.


Riiiight. So you have to do it differently.


Explain how you think it could work. The option I see for summer swim
Fail:

1. Practice is spread out over time - instead of from 8-11:30, it’s much longer so that fewer kids come to many practices. Nope - coach won’t wait around for that and the pool can’t close all day.

2. Kids swim and don’t stop at either end. Nope - summer (only) swimmers can’t do this.

3. Kids swim a few laps and get out and rest. Won’t for work many 8 and unders and some 9-10s. Who will keep them apart while they rest? The coach will be watching those finishing swimming and not the kids out of the pool. Who has enough deck space to do this effectively? Kids will try to talk to each other.

4. Kids swim a lap then get out and slowly walk around the pool and get in again. Some kids will be faster and several will still be hitting the wall at the same time as the person ahead of them. Likely bottlenecks will happen.

Open to ideas!


Most kids are already out and about playing with one another, at least in my NoVa neighborhood. So bring on swim team.
I know very few families that have actually managed to keep their kids away from all other children for the past 7 weeks.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2020 11:46     Subject: Summer Swim Canceled
Anonymous wrote:Its possible to do something while social distancing the adults, having extra precautions for the adults, etc. Its not really possible to social distance the kids.


I agree.
I wish the swim leagues would just call it already.
Then the pools can move forward with whatever plans they need to make.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2020 10:38     Subject: Summer Swim Canceled
Its possible to do something while social distancing the adults, having extra precautions for the adults, etc. Its not really possible to social distance the kids.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2020 10:36     Subject: Summer Swim Canceled
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Anonymous wrote:One of the issues I have with summer swim (in NVSL) is that you are inviting enormous groups of people to gather in your neighborhood twice a week for swim meets. You are asking to have an incredible level of community spread by hosting these events. My kids want summer swim - our whole neighborhood does. But the risk this summer is too great to our community.


I’m not saying it will or should have a swim team season, but if they did something isn’t it conceivable that it would look different than a normal one?


Yes if there is a season it will not be normal. You could say no spectators, limit volunteers etc...
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2020 08:36     Subject: Summer Swim Canceled
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Anonymous wrote:Anything from NVSL yet?


Their board meets this afternoon


Hopefully they won’t make a final decision today.


There are a few teams making a strong push for canceling altogether. The vast majority have been quiet.


Is it clear why they are pushing to cancel completely right now?


I think those pools in NVSL wanting you scrap are not in good financial situations and want to know yes or no. I wish NVSL could figure out how to modify but the insurance is the tough part.


Maybe those pools should decide to not participate this year and not pressure the nvsl to make a hasty decision on behalf of the rest.


Take for example a swim club that has already decided to not open this summer. If a nearby club opens and there is some type of competitive swim team season the cub that isn’t opening stands to lose members to the others.


Most swim teams are limited to kids in the neighborhood or families who belong to the pool.


That sounds like an HOA pool. Our club mostly pulls from the immediate neighborhood, but we have members from a decent ways away. If a pool doesn’t open and a nearby pool does, then the families from the closed pool might go to the other. If there is some type of team season the kids could swim for that other team. We probably have at least 4 or 5 clubs within 2 miles of each other.


I have several pools within a 6 mile radius or so of my house (Arlington). But they all have crazy long waiting lists. They also have substantial corporate membership fees. If say Overlee doesn't open- but Tuckahoe does- I don't see a mass exodus from Overlee b/c it wouldn't help the kids this summer either way.


I hope you don’t think Overlee and Tuckahoe are representative of the others. There are many clubs with NVSL teams that do not have a wait list and can be joined in the $450-600 range.


We belong to a pool that usually doesn’t have a wait list. But per the pool bylaws, in order to join the teams you must become a stock holding member. You can’t just join for one summer and have your kids in the teams and then next year go back to your pool. You’d have to pay the new member fee on top of the summer dues and then pay team fees. You could be look at $1200 for a temporary fix to the swim team problem.


Memberships definitely vary. Our pool, and at least three nearby have bond and associate (annual) memberships. Another pool only has annual memberships. At our pool the associate membership dues ($500+) are more than the bond dues ($400+). So somebody could join for just a year. Even with the bond the most they would pay for the year is $625 for the bond membership because dues aren’t charged on top of the bond cost the first year.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2020 08:27     Subject: Summer Swim Canceled
Anonymous wrote:One of the issues I have with summer swim (in NVSL) is that you are inviting enormous groups of people to gather in your neighborhood twice a week for swim meets. You are asking to have an incredible level of community spread by hosting these events. My kids want summer swim - our whole neighborhood does. But the risk this summer is too great to our community.


I’m not saying it will or should have a swim team season, but if they did something isn’t it conceivable that it would look different than a normal one?
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2020 08:17     Subject: Summer Swim Canceled
One of the issues I have with summer swim (in NVSL) is that you are inviting enormous groups of people to gather in your neighborhood twice a week for swim meets. You are asking to have an incredible level of community spread by hosting these events. My kids want summer swim - our whole neighborhood does. But the risk this summer is too great to our community.