Anonymous
Post 03/25/2020 19:13     Subject: Second Great Depression
These Trump supporters -- or are they on the payroll? -- are not here to be logical. They are doing Trump's bidding. He is a sociopath. He doesn't understand that other people matter. He doesn't care.

In any event, the economy won't recover before the election. He will never win reelection now. Never.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2020 19:13     Subject: Re:Second Great Depression
Anonymous wrote:Oh wait, I thought it only affected the elderly:

https://theweek.com/speedreads/904645/nearly-half-new-york-citys-coronavirus-cases-found-adults-under-45

"Of the 15,597 confirmed as of Tuesday afternoon, 7,094, or 46 percent, were in patients below the 45. In that age group, 9 percent of people with the novel coronavirus have been hospitalized, and there have been five deaths."

Nine percent of patients under 45 needed hospitalization. Now imagine hospitals were overwhelmed and could not admit them.


Keep the elderly & those with preexisting conditions home and we won’t have overwhelmed hospitals.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2020 19:11     Subject: Re:Second Great Depression
Anonymous wrote:With a normal, adult, responsible President, we could have a national conversation about the health-economy trade offs and difficult, but rational, decisions would be made.

But Trump has repeatedly ignored the advice of scientists and doctors. In turn, they have dug in their heels in protecting the health of citizens. They don't feel heard by the administration. Their expertise is not being incorporated into national policy decisions. And capitalists have reacted by digging in their heels and insisting we reopen the economy at full steam.

This is a situation unique to Trump. Any other President would try to balance public health and economic effects, using expertise from scientists and economists. But Trump never brings people together and he never listens to experts. So now we have a war between the economy and public health. And when the economy and public health are at war, ordinary citizens lose.

Our only hope is that states mostly override the B.S. he is saying and make actual balanced decisions that best meet the needs of their localities.



You and I must live in different realities. I do not like Trump but because the government has listened to such recommendations, we are going to be in a recession/depression. And the absurdity of them digging in their heels? What are they my three year old? If so, we definitely should stop listening to them.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2020 12:04     Subject: Re:Second Great Depression
Oh wait, I thought it only affected the elderly:

https://theweek.com/speedreads/904645/nearly-half-new-york-citys-coronavirus-cases-found-adults-under-45

"Of the 15,597 confirmed as of Tuesday afternoon, 7,094, or 46 percent, were in patients below the 45. In that age group, 9 percent of people with the novel coronavirus have been hospitalized, and there have been five deaths."

Nine percent of patients under 45 needed hospitalization. Now imagine hospitals were overwhelmed and could not admit them.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2020 11:53     Subject: Re:Second Great Depression
You cannot catch heart disease by touching a door knob!!!!
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2020 11:43     Subject: Re:Second Great Depression
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are two main considerations in the U.S. response to coronavirus. One is public health. The other is economic. The U.S. is currently focusing entirely on public health. As a result, the economic devastation will be enormous.


Not worth it. We should have let 3-5% of the population die and be done with it. Let darwin do his job for once. Way too many humans on the planet.

Sure. As long as that 3-5% doesn’t include you or anyone who love, right? Cold, stone hearted bitch.



You can't base public policy on that. 40,000 Americans die each year from the flu, but we don't shut down the economy to prevent that from happening. I'm sure that some people who have lost loved ones to the flu would think that shutting down the economy to save their loved ones would have been worth it




Look up the comparisons between COVID-19 and the flu. Look up the projected death toll if we just went about our lives as if there wasn't a pandemic. And then stop spouting misinformation with this "40,000 deaths isn't enough to shut the economy" bullcrap.


650,000 people die of heart disease in America every year. Do we shut down the economy? No.

The virus is problematic. But we know enough about it already in terms of who it affects the most that we should be making decisions based off that, not one size fits all approach for everyone. Quarantine and isolate the elderly and others with significant health problems. They do need to take some responsibility in quarantining themselves. Families with a family member who has a compromised health problem should also quarantine and be allowed by law to telework and receive home schooling support while the crisis lasts. The rest of us can go out and about knowing the odds are very low we will get so sick we need hospitalization.

But right now the mass shutdowns is treating everyone as equally at risk of death and hospitalization. When that is absolutely not the case.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2020 11:37     Subject: Re:Second Great Depression
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are two main considerations in the U.S. response to coronavirus. One is public health. The other is economic. The U.S. is currently focusing entirely on public health. As a result, the economic devastation will be enormous.


Not worth it. We should have let 3-5% of the population die and be done with it. Let darwin do his job for once. Way too many humans on the planet.

Sure. As long as that 3-5% doesn’t include you or anyone who love, right? Cold, stone hearted bitch.



You can't base public policy on that. 40,000 Americans die each year from the flu, but we don't shut down the economy to prevent that from happening. I'm sure that some people who have lost loved ones to the flu would think that shutting down the economy to save their loved ones would have been worth it




Look up the comparisons between COVID-19 and the flu. Look up the projected death toll if we just went about our lives as if there wasn't a pandemic. And then stop spouting misinformation with this "40,000 deaths isn't enough to shut the economy" bullcrap.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2020 11:35     Subject: Re:Second Great Depression
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are two main considerations in the U.S. response to coronavirus. One is public health. The other is economic. The U.S. is currently focusing entirely on public health. As a result, the economic devastation will be enormous.


Not worth it. We should have let 3-5% of the population die and be done with it. Let darwin do his job for once. Way too many humans on the planet.

Sure. As long as that 3-5% doesn’t include you or anyone who love, right? Cold, stone hearted bitch.



You can't base public policy on that. 40,000 Americans die each year from the flu, but we don't shut down the economy to prevent that from happening. I'm sure that some people who have lost loved ones to the flu would think that shutting down the economy to save their loved ones would have been worth it




This. I wish people would stop expecting the government to protect you from every last danger in the world... it's impossible.


I don't expect the government to save the people. I expect the people to save the people. It is the people who can't stand being in isolation for two months to save other people. And that's a pathetic demonstration of our weak will.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2020 11:34     Subject: Re:Second Great Depression
With a normal, adult, responsible President, we could have a national conversation about the health-economy trade offs and difficult, but rational, decisions would be made.

But Trump has repeatedly ignored the advice of scientists and doctors. In turn, they have dug in their heels in protecting the health of citizens. They don't feel heard by the administration. Their expertise is not being incorporated into national policy decisions. And capitalists have reacted by digging in their heels and insisting we reopen the economy at full steam.

This is a situation unique to Trump. Any other President would try to balance public health and economic effects, using expertise from scientists and economists. But Trump never brings people together and he never listens to experts. So now we have a war between the economy and public health. And when the economy and public health are at war, ordinary citizens lose.

Our only hope is that states mostly override the B.S. he is saying and make actual balanced decisions that best meet the needs of their localities.

Anonymous
Post 03/25/2020 11:23     Subject: Re:Second Great Depression
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are two main considerations in the U.S. response to coronavirus. One is public health. The other is economic. The U.S. is currently focusing entirely on public health. As a result, the economic devastation will be enormous.


Not worth it. We should have let 3-5% of the population die and be done with it. Let darwin do his job for once. Way too many humans on the planet.

Sure. As long as that 3-5% doesn’t include you or anyone who love, right? Cold, stone hearted bitch.



You can't base public policy on that. 40,000 Americans die each year from the flu, but we don't shut down the economy to prevent that from happening. I'm sure that some people who have lost loved ones to the flu would think that shutting down the economy to save their loved ones would have been worth it




This. I wish people would stop expecting the government to protect you from every last danger in the world... it's impossible.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2020 11:21     Subject: Re:Second Great Depression
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are two main considerations in the U.S. response to coronavirus. One is public health. The other is economic. The U.S. is currently focusing entirely on public health. As a result, the economic devastation will be enormous.


Not worth it. We should have let 3-5% of the population die and be done with it. Let darwin do his job for once. Way too many humans on the planet.

Sure. As long as that 3-5% doesn’t include you or anyone who love, right? Cold, stone hearted bitch.



You can't base public policy on that. 40,000 Americans die each year from the flu, but we don't shut down the economy to prevent that from happening. I'm sure that some people who have lost loved ones to the flu would think that shutting down the economy to save their loved ones would have been worth it


Anonymous
Post 03/25/2020 10:56     Subject: Re:Second Great Depression
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are two main considerations in the U.S. response to coronavirus. One is public health. The other is economic. The U.S. is currently focusing entirely on public health. As a result, the economic devastation will be enormous.


Not worth it. We should have let 3-5% of the population die and be done with it. Let darwin do his job for once. Way too many humans on the planet.

Sure. As long as that 3-5% doesn’t include you or anyone who love, right? Cold, stone hearted bitch.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2020 10:36     Subject: Re:Second Great Depression
We can’t afford to “flatten the curve” too much longer. Maybe if the US healthcare system hadn’t sucked so much in the first place.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2020 09:49     Subject: Second Great Depression
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The whole situation cannot be sustained. It is a house of cards. People need to fend off poverty and return to work.


Oh, but it appears we are hell bent on complete economic collapse to save 2% of the population. A 2% that already has a got in the grave.

Genius.


OMG people are so dumb. It is NOT 2%. About 14% need hospitalization. If hospitals are overwhelmed, they don't get treatment and die horribly. That's the whole damn point of the isolation.