Anonymous wrote:I think many posters here have jumped to a worst case scenario with lengthy mandated quarantines. That is not what opm put out guidance for at this time.

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Anonymous wrote:So I have carefully saved my leave and my coworker constantly uses it for all kinds of things. She now gets free leave for claiming Corona and I spend my leave. Advancing leave is fine but just giving it out seems a bit out of control.

What free leave? I?m also not sure what you are implying- is your coworker using sick leave improperly, i.e. for reasons other than illness or doctors appointments?

Worker 1 takes full days of for a 20 minute dental appointment, mental health days, etc. Worker 2 schedules appointments on her off days and only uses sick leave for illnesses. Worker one is nowpaid to stay home because she is now actually sick but has no leave. Worker 2 is using the sick she carefully saved. Now I realize there are people who just started or are recovering from a major illness that have legitimate reasons for not having leave...but many people do not save it for an actual sickness.

+1. People use leave extremely liberally and then bitch and moan they are all out. I?m careful about saving my leave for times when I really need it and I therefore have hundreds of hours saved after only five years of service. I shouldn?t be punished for being prudent.

Congratulations on never getting sick or having a baby I guess?

I am a Fed with two kids and have had cancer. I have purposely stocked my leave because I am concerned about another round of chemo. Please spare me the whiny babies who can?t manage more more than two weeks of sick leave at a time with 15+ years in. They didn?t spare me their colds when they used their sick leave for headaches.

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Anonymous wrote:So I have carefully saved my leave and my coworker constantly uses it for all kinds of things. She now gets free leave for claiming Corona and I spend my leave. Advancing leave is fine but just giving it out seems a bit out of control.

What free leave? I’m also not sure what you are implying- is your coworker using sick leave improperly, i.e. for reasons other than illness or doctors appointments?

Worker 1 takes full days of for a 20 minute dental appointment, mental health days, etc. Worker 2 schedules appointments on her off days and only uses sick leave for illnesses. Worker one is nowpaid to stay home because she is now actually sick but has no leave. Worker 2 is using the sick she carefully saved. Now I realize there are people who just started or are recovering from a major illness that have legitimate reasons for not having leave...but many people do not save it for an actual sickness.

+1. People use leave extremely liberally and then bitch and moan they are all out. I’m careful about saving my leave for times when I really need it and I therefore have hundreds of hours saved after only five years of service. I shouldn’t be punished for being prudent.

Congratulations on never getting sick or having a baby I guess?

Anonymous wrote:I was hoping for more clear cut guidance on travel- hoping my agency follows up with more specifics....

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Anonymous wrote:What would everyone who can't possible take any sick leave do if they were sick with something else? Wouldn't you have to take an advance, LWOP, vacation?

Yes. The hysteria here is just that.

I would have phrased it entitlement more than hysteria, but yes, +1.

This is a different sickness. When I have the flu I take off when I have a fever and then come back to work (2 days usually). Or I can telework.

With covid you’re contagious for weeks and sick for weeks. And because daycares will close, work won’t let me telework.

Majority of people do not have affects worse than the flu. And when you go back after two days with the flu...you are still contagious btw.

If you’re better in two days from the “flu” you probably didn’t have the flu.

Using sick days for when you are sick makes total sense to be. It gets sticky when you’re asking people to quarantine after they are no longer symptomatic (or were never symptomatic at all). You really think people are going to burn through their personal leave for the good of society? Dream on. You either give them incentive to stay home or accept that they will be back out there once they feel better. It is what it is.

This is a fairly ignorant response. People who get the flu after having the flu shot (yes, including me) generally have much shortened “sick” periods. The last time I had the flu was a few years ago. I tested positive. I had a fever for about a day, and after that get better. Vaccines work y’all.

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Anonymous wrote:I carefully saved my leave for years and took advanced sick leave so that I could have two children and take two paid maternity leaves. I finally got my sick leave balance back to zero, after having to use annual leave almost as fast as I accrued it for my children's daycare sicknesses. I think that Feds like me who have very young children should get a break if both schools and offices close, as we didn't benefit from the forthcoming paid parental leave program and are still in the hole leave-wise.

Loosening rules around telework, including telework with kids at home, is one thing. Creating broad additional leave for people with empty balances is another.

So we’ll just plop our toddlers in front of tv for a month so we can telework at home? It’s impossible to get anything done with my kids in the house let alone try to competently work. If forced, then I will “work at home” aka sign into WebTA, do some half assed work during nap time, and otherwise occasionally move my mouse around to make it look active. OPM has to realize this is what parents of young kids are going to do because no one is going to voluntarily take a month or more of leave over this.

Yes, you may just have to let your toddler watch more tv than you would normally. Oh, the terrible sacrifice. You may have to work when they go to bed. There are other things that you may have to do that you wouldn’t ordinarily, but the proper answer isn’t to say you just get paid time off without requiring a little extra effort on your end.

My agency doesn’t allow work after 6pm. And I’m pretty sure watching kids from sun up to sun down then working for 8 hours for weeks on end = recipe for a mental breakdown.

Your agency should change those rules under the circumstances.

As for the rest, put on your big girl panties and deal. You should be able to get some work done while kids nap or are otherwise entertained. You can trade shifts with a neighbor watching kids. If schools are closed, you can cheaply find a mother’s helper. You may not make your full 40, but you should be able to get a lot in if you are willing.

Sure, it is easier to say whoa is me and shouldn’t a get paid without making any extra effort or sacrifice, but it’s that level of entitlement that makes people pissed at Feds.

You’re pissed because we’d rather go to work as normal? Interesting.

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Anonymous wrote:I carefully saved my leave for years and took advanced sick leave so that I could have two children and take two paid maternity leaves. I finally got my sick leave balance back to zero, after having to use annual leave almost as fast as I accrued it for my children's daycare sicknesses. I think that Feds like me who have very young children should get a break if both schools and offices close, as we didn't benefit from the forthcoming paid parental leave program and are still in the hole leave-wise.

Loosening rules around telework, including telework with kids at home, is one thing. Creating broad additional leave for people with empty balances is another.

So we’ll just plop our toddlers in front of tv for a month so we can telework at home? It’s impossible to get anything done with my kids in the house let alone try to competently work. If forced, then I will “work at home” aka sign into WebTA, do some half assed work during nap time, and otherwise occasionally move my mouse around to make it look active. OPM has to realize this is what parents of young kids are going to do because no one is going to voluntarily take a month or more of leave over this.

Yes, you may just have to let your toddler watch more tv than you would normally. Oh, the terrible sacrifice. You may have to work when they go to bed. There are other things that you may have to do that you wouldn’t ordinarily, but the proper answer isn’t to say you just get paid time off without requiring a little extra effort on your end.

My agency doesn’t allow work after 6pm. And I’m pretty sure watching kids from sun up to sun down then working for 8 hours for weeks on end = recipe for a mental breakdown.

Your agency should change those rules under the circumstances.

As for the rest, put on your big girl panties and deal. You should be able to get some work done while kids nap or are otherwise entertained. You can trade shifts with a neighbor watching kids. If schools are closed, you can cheaply find a mother’s helper. You may not make your full 40, but you should be able to get a lot in if you are willing.

Sure, it is easier to say whoa is me and shouldn’t a get paid without making any extra effort or sacrifice, but it’s that level of entitlement that makes people pissed at Feds.

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Anonymous wrote:I carefully saved my leave for years and took advanced sick leave so that I could have two children and take two paid maternity leaves. I finally got my sick leave balance back to zero, after having to use annual leave almost as fast as I accrued it for my children's daycare sicknesses. I think that Feds like me who have very young children should get a break if both schools and offices close, as we didn't benefit from the forthcoming paid parental leave program and are still in the hole leave-wise.

Loosening rules around telework, including telework with kids at home, is one thing. Creating broad additional leave for people with empty balances is another.

So we’ll just plop our toddlers in front of tv for a month so we can telework at home? It’s impossible to get anything done with my kids in the house let alone try to competently work. If forced, then I will “work at home” aka sign into WebTA, do some half assed work during nap time, and otherwise occasionally move my mouse around to make it look active. OPM has to realize this is what parents of young kids are going to do because no one is going to voluntarily take a month or more of leave over this.

Yes, you may just have to let your toddler watch more tv than you would normally. Oh, the terrible sacrifice. You may have to work when they go to bed. There are other things that you may have to do that you wouldn’t ordinarily, but the proper answer isn’t to say you just get paid time off without requiring a little extra effort on your end.

My agency doesn’t allow work after 6pm. And I’m pretty sure watching kids from sun up to sun down then working for 8 hours for weeks on end = recipe for a mental breakdown.

Your agency should change those rules under the circumstances.

As for the rest, put on your big girl panties and deal. You should be able to get some work done while kids nap or are otherwise entertained. You can trade shifts with a neighbor watching kids. If schools are closed, you can cheaply find a mother’s helper. You may not make your full 40, but you should be able to get a lot in if you are willing.

Sure, it is easier to say whoa is me and shouldn’t a get paid without making any extra effort or sacrifice, but it’s that level of entitlement that makes people pissed at Feds.

Just deal? No. I have a jerk for a boss and he follows the official guidance to a T. He wouldn’t even care if I got my work done unless I did it while working a strict 8-4:30. He will not give a single flexibility that my agency doesn’t

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Anonymous wrote:What would everyone who can't possible take any sick leave do if they were sick with something else? Wouldn't you have to take an advance, LWOP, vacation?

Honestly, probably apply for for the voluntary leave transfer program, but now the program is going to get flooded with requests.

Also, it’s one thing to use up my leave (or advance leave) for my own and my children’s health. But being essentially forced to use leave because of quarantines in order to save older people seems unfair. Why should I burn up my accrued leave because of a virus that isn’t even likely to harm my family? The older people can use their leave to stay home, they have use or lose any way

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Anonymous wrote:I carefully saved my leave for years and took advanced sick leave so that I could have two children and take two paid maternity leaves. I finally got my sick leave balance back to zero, after having to use annual leave almost as fast as I accrued it for my children's daycare sicknesses. I think that Feds like me who have very young children should get a break if both schools and offices close, as we didn't benefit from the forthcoming paid parental leave program and are still in the hole leave-wise.

Loosening rules around telework, including telework with kids at home, is one thing. Creating broad additional leave for people with empty balances is another.

So we’ll just plop our toddlers in front of tv for a month so we can telework at home? It’s impossible to get anything done with my kids in the house let alone try to competently work. If forced, then I will “work at home” aka sign into WebTA, do some half assed work during nap time, and otherwise occasionally move my mouse around to make it look active. OPM has to realize this is what parents of young kids are going to do because no one is going to voluntarily take a month or more of leave over this.

Yes, you may just have to let your toddler watch more tv than you would normally. Oh, the terrible sacrifice. You may have to work when they go to bed. There are other things that you may have to do that you wouldn’t ordinarily, but the proper answer isn’t to say you just get paid time off without requiring a little extra effort on your end.

My agency doesn’t allow work after 6pm. And I’m pretty sure watching kids from sun up to sun down then working for 8 hours for weeks on end = recipe for a mental breakdown.

Your agency should change those rules under the circumstances.

As for the rest, put on your big girl panties and deal. You should be able to get some work done while kids nap or are otherwise entertained. You can trade shifts with a neighbor watching kids. If schools are closed, you can cheaply find a mother’s helper. You may not make your full 40, but you should be able to get a lot in if you are willing.

Sure, it is easier to say whoa is me and shouldn’t a get paid without making any extra effort or sacrifice, but it’s that level of entitlement that makes people pissed at Feds.

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Anonymous wrote:I carefully saved my leave for years and took advanced sick leave so that I could have two children and take two paid maternity leaves. I finally got my sick leave balance back to zero, after having to use annual leave almost as fast as I accrued it for my children's daycare sicknesses. I think that Feds like me who have very young children should get a break if both schools and offices close, as we didn't benefit from the forthcoming paid parental leave program and are still in the hole leave-wise.

Loosening rules around telework, including telework with kids at home, is one thing. Creating broad additional leave for people with empty balances is another.

So we’ll just plop our toddlers in front of tv for a month so we can telework at home? It’s impossible to get anything done with my kids in the house let alone try to competently work. If forced, then I will “work at home” aka sign into WebTA, do some half assed work during nap time, and otherwise occasionally move my mouse around to make it look active. OPM has to realize this is what parents of young kids are going to do because no one is going to voluntarily take a month or more of leave over this.

Yes, you may just have to let your toddler watch more tv than you would normally. Oh, the terrible sacrifice. You may have to work when they go to bed. There are other things that you may have to do that you wouldn’t ordinarily, but the proper answer isn’t to say you just get paid time off without requiring a little extra effort on your end.

My agency doesn’t allow work after 6pm. And I’m pretty sure watching kids from sun up to sun down then working for 8 hours for weeks on end = recipe for a mental breakdown.

Your agency should change those rules under the circumstances.

As for the rest, put on your big girl panties and deal. You should be able to get some work done while kids nap or are otherwise entertained. You can trade shifts with a neighbor watching kids. If schools are closed, you can cheaply find a mother’s helper. You may not make your full 40, but you should be able to get a lot in if you are willing.

Sure, it is easier to say whoa is me and shouldn’t a get paid without making any extra effort or sacrifice, but it’s that level of entitlement that makes people pissed at Feds.

Anonymous wrote:What would everyone who can't possible take any sick leave do if they were sick with something else? Wouldn't you have to take an advance, LWOP, vacation?