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Anonymous wrote:Once an immigrant came to the U.S. The big man on the campus did not want to hear his ideas. But, somehow this poor immigrant got someone to hear his ideas. Now we have electricity because of that man, while the guy who tried to discredit him killed elephants to prove that immigrant wrong. Imagine what we could have if we let immigrants into better schools?

Fortunately all the trumpers on this board don't run mcps.

Anyone doesn't agree with you is a trumpers, a racist, or a segregationist.
That is not how democracy works.

DP. Nope. Only the ones who are.

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Anonymous wrote:Once an immigrant came to the U.S. The big man on the campus did not want to hear his ideas. But, somehow this poor immigrant got someone to hear his ideas. Now we have electricity because of that man, while the guy who tried to discredit him killed elephants to prove that immigrant wrong. Imagine what we could have if we let immigrants into better schools?

Fortunately all the trumpers on this board don't run mcps.

Anyone doesn't agree with you is a trumpers, a racist, or a segregationist.
That is not how democracy works.

We used to have an Adventist behavioral health group home in our neighborhood. That is, a house full of teenage substance users. We almost never saw the kids. They were bussed to special school programs. Sometimes one of the resident adults would walk a small group to the park to play basketball. If we were out walking our dog, kids would shyly ask to pet him because they missed their dogs. The kids were generally well behaved because they wanted back into the real world. These homes are a stepping stone and they go back to the institution if they screw up.

So can we stick to discussing the kids who are actually in the same school as your DC?

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Anonymous wrote:People don’t believe the agenda of the BOE which makes sense. 1 out of 8 kids was redistricted in Howard County. Clarksburg was a mess. If you don’t live in this area you might not understand but they prioritized diversity over geography.

The upcounty boundary study was not a mess (unless by "a mess" you mean "people who got reassigned are upset that they got reassigned"), and no they didn't.

-MCPS parent who lives in the area

I agree with this. I don’t live up there, but as an outsider, it looked like they treated both geography and diversity as important factors that had to be considered, and each of which had to be compromised a bit in choosing the best plan overall. Geography did not always trump diversity, but neither did diversity always trump geography.

Also, there are different ways to define “diversity.” It is not factually one thing. So there are challenges in this conversation due to people using different definitions and/or shifting definitions of “diversity.” It is not clear that MCPS will use the same definition of diversity in every boundary study.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. Yes, but you're not allowed to call that PP a segregationist, because it shuts down dialogue. Or so I read on DCUM.

You’re not trying to win over that troll. Too far gone. Craft your message for the others reading and not commenting. What do you want them to know/hear? If responding to the troll does not advance that goal - of talking to reasonable people open to dialogue, then just don’t. The conversation will get better this way and everyone will be less angry all the time (except the trolls and there’s no helping them)

PP, it would be great if the only people with these beliefs were trolls. But that's not the case.

My goal is not to improve the conversation with reasonable people open to dialogue. My goal is for the boundary analysis to proceed.

Anonymous wrote:DP. Yes, but you're not allowed to call that PP a segregationist, because it shuts down dialogue. Or so I read on DCUM.

You’re not trying to win over that troll. Too far gone. Craft your message for the others reading and not commenting. What do you want them to know/hear? If responding to the troll does not advance that goal - of talking to reasonable people open to dialogue, then just don’t. The conversation will get better this way and everyone will be less angry all the time (except the trolls and there’s no helping them)

Anonymous wrote:Once an immigrant came to the U.S. The big man on the campus did not want to hear his ideas. But, somehow this poor immigrant got someone to hear his ideas. Now we have electricity because of that man, while the guy who tried to discredit him killed elephants to prove that immigrant wrong. Imagine what we could have if we let immigrants into better schools?

Fortunately all the trumpers on this board don't run mcps.

DP. Yes, but you're not allowed to call that PP a segregationist, because it shuts down dialogue. Or so I read on DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:Instead of spending time and money on these types of analysis, why don’t they target specific schools that are falling below expectations? Obviously the kids there need more help. It seems to make more sense to give support to those schools with high farms that are falling below average, maybe an after school tutor or something. I understand that a lot of farms kids may not have parents who can help them at home because of work, and this is exactly the type of support they need. Push for accountability on al schools and in maps admin to make sure the money is spent wisely and not in some dumb contracts that do not help kids.

Please see the ENDLESS threads from certain parents about how "all the money goes to ESOL and FARMS kids" under the current system.

Please see also the whingeing from parents newly rezoned to Neelsville MS over the state of the school facilities.

Middle class parents do not want additional resources to go to high-needs schools, and DNGAF about the conditions in which kids are educated until the day their own kids are impacted. The only way to get them to care is to integrate the schools.

That is not true. Parents care and plenty of them do endless amounts of volunteering and fundraising to help the needy.

But serious question - why is there so much poverty in MoCo. What are we doing to raise these families up out of poverty? Why have we failed at that already?

The bigger question is why are we encouraging poverty to relocate here with the welcome mat for illegals and tons of services for low income residents

The even bigger question is why you don’t want your kids to share classrooms with poor kids.

Lets see your reaction if mc purchses the house next to yours and convert it to a group house for drug addicts.

NP. Did you just equate poor children to drug addicts?

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Anonymous wrote:Instead of spending time and money on these types of analysis, why don’t they target specific schools that are falling below expectations? Obviously the kids there need more help. It seems to make more sense to give support to those schools with high farms that are falling below average, maybe an after school tutor or something. I understand that a lot of farms kids may not have parents who can help them at home because of work, and this is exactly the type of support they need. Push for accountability on al schools and in maps admin to make sure the money is spent wisely and not in some dumb contracts that do not help kids.

Please see the ENDLESS threads from certain parents about how "all the money goes to ESOL and FARMS kids" under the current system.

Please see also the whingeing from parents newly rezoned to Neelsville MS over the state of the school facilities.

Middle class parents do not want additional resources to go to high-needs schools, and DNGAF about the conditions in which kids are educated until the day their own kids are impacted. The only way to get them to care is to integrate the schools.

That is not true. Parents care and plenty of them do endless amounts of volunteering and fundraising to help the needy.

But serious question - why is there so much poverty in MoCo. What are we doing to raise these families up out of poverty? Why have we failed at that already?

The bigger question is why are we encouraging poverty to relocate here with the welcome mat for illegals and tons of services for low income residents

The even bigger question is why you don’t want your kids to share classrooms with poor kids.

Lets see your reaction if mc purchses the house next to yours and convert it to a group house for drug addicts.

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Anonymous wrote:^The reason why DE stinks is because you have very low taxes. You need taxes to support the schools, and a state that values education, like MA. DE isn't a state that is known for its education. Even its state university is not regarded well in the least.

The university of Delaware is actually a top notch institution and way better than Penn State, UMD, UNY, rutgers and most other state universties on the east coast. U of D has an outstanding engineering and physical sciences programs. Much better than MD.and is about as good as UVa.

U of D ranking is lower than UMDCP and Penn State. And again, DE isn't known for placing importance on education. DE is where most people incorporate their businesses because of the tax shelters but actually not have much presence there because they don't have a decent population size that is educated.

Again, a state needs revenue, like taxes to run schools.

Anonymous wrote:^The reason why DE stinks is because you have very low taxes. You need taxes to support the schools, and a state that values education, like MA. DE isn't a state that is known for its education. Even its state university is not regarded well in the least.

The university of Delaware is actually a top notch institution and way better than Penn State, UMD, UNY, rutgers and most other state universties on the east coast. U of D has an outstanding engineering and physical sciences programs. Much better than MD.and is about as good as UVa.

Anonymous wrote:^The reason why DE stinks is because you have very low taxes. You need taxes to support the schools, and a state that values education, like MA. DE isn't a state that is known for its education. Even its state university is not regarded well in the least.

DE has low taxes because they get massive amounts of money from. Corporations and their chancery court, which is on of the only ones in the nation. Strike one. Try again.

Once an immigrant came to the U.S. The big man on the campus did not want to hear his ideas. But, somehow this poor immigrant got someone to hear his ideas. Now we have electricity because of that man, while the guy who tried to discredit him killed elephants to prove that immigrant wrong. Imagine what we could have if we let immigrants into better schools?

^The reason why DE stinks is because you have very low taxes. You need taxes to support the schools, and a state that values education, like MA. DE isn't a state that is known for its education. Even its state university is not regarded well in the least.