Anonymous wrote:UVA is more like 13th grade judging from my DC's friends. They are all still hanging out with the same people they did in high school. Duke would allow your DC to meet people from all over the US and the world. But kids from the WDC area are already pretty worldly, so it depends on your kid, what connections they have now, and their future plans.

I would not encourage anyone to go to Duke however after what the Gang of 88 did. There's a Town and Gown problem in Durham, but there's also a faculty vs. student problem. I can't speak for UVA, but my DC chose their school based on how supportive and encouraging the faculty members were at accepted students' weekend.

The only people who regularly post this type of comment regarding UVA NEVER actually have kids who attend(ed) UVA. If they did, they would know that it is not true. Two of my DCs attend and since day 1, do not hang out with anyone they know from high school but rather made all new friends from all over the US. The only time they might possibly be in contact with a HS classmate who also attends UVA is when they need a ride home for a break, and even that is rare and only happened during their first year.

PP, I’m using “shopping list” lol, so true.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand what you are saying about business and law school rankings. Your kid will be an undergrad and here are some considerations:

1. UVA has an undergrad business program, which you apply to as an undergrad for the last two years. Duke actually does not have any undergrad business.

2. Not sure what law has to do with it. Law isn't an undergrad major and if you want to go to a good law school, get a good LSAT score and a good GPA in anything.

But UVA offers an Honors seminar program in politics (if you can get into it) and a major in Politics, Philosophy and the Law. It's law school is one of the most selective in the nation. My DS's roommate got into Duke Law but not UVA.

So what?

The PP says "not sure what law has to do with it . . Law isn't and undergrad major". PP was answering the question. Also, it's more difficult statistically to get into UVA law than Duke. UVA feeds into UVA Law.

Princeton doesn't have a law school so those poor bastard undergraduates stand no change of going to law school.

I know you are being sarcastic but Princeton grads do have a problem with that because of PRinceton's grade deflation. the T-14 law schools are looking at GPA to report. They know Princeton grades hard but when it comes to taking someone with a 4.0 from a SLAC v. a 3.32 from Princeton, most schools trying to climb that rankings list will go with the 4.0.

I doubt that any schools have grade deflation. Princeton might have tougher grading than Brown (pretty much all schools have tougher grading than Brown), but still relatively high GPAs on average. Yale Law, which is generally considered the most selective law school, publishes periodically the undergraduate institutions of its students. Princeton was 3rd behind Yale and Harvard.

Google is your friend. Princeton has grade deflation. I have personal experience with it. https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/10/end-grade-deflation-princeton-university-inflation-as/310231/

Math is also your friend. What is the overall GPA trend below? What you are looking at was really an abandoned attempt to stem inflation. https://qz.com/277288/princeton-is-giving-up-ground-in-its-fight-against-grade-inflation/

1969 2.83
1971 2.94
1972 2.96
1973 2.99
1974 3.04
1975 3.04
1976 3.06
1977 3.09
1978 3.10
1979 3.12
1980 3.10
1981 3.10
1982 3.11
1983 3.11
1984 3.11
1985 3.12
1986 3.12
1987 3.16
1988 3.15
1989 3.16
1990 3.17
1991 3.19
1992 3.21
1993 3.22
1994 3.25
1995 3.26
1997 3.34
1998 3.33
1999 3.35
2000 3.37
2001 3.36
2002 3.38
2003 3.35
2004 3.34
2005 3.29
2006 3.28
2007 3.28
2008 3.29
2009 3.28
2010 3.29
2011 3.29
2012 3.31
2013 3.32
2014 3.39

And all of those GPAs are lower than almost all other universities in the nation. You want to get into a T-14 law school? You need a 3.6 or higher.

Two different points. Trend above is of inflation, not deflation. And you are incorrect that these grades are lower than "almost all other universities". Look at gradeinflation.com. What Princeton may be is on the low end of the Ivy League, but the Ivy League has among the highest average GPAs.

Anonymous wrote:UVA is more like 13th grade judging from my DC's friends. They are all still hanging out with the same people they did in high school. Duke would allow your DC to meet people from all over the US and the world. But kids from the WDC area are already pretty worldly, so it depends on your kid, what connections they have now, and their future plans.

I would not encourage anyone to go to Duke however after what the Gang of 88 did. There's a Town and Gown problem in Durham, but there's also a faculty vs. student problem. I can't speak for UVA, but my DC chose their school based on how supportive and encouraging the faculty members were at accepted students' weekend.

This is why Duke wasn't even on our shopping list. That Gang of 88 is still there.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand what you are saying about business and law school rankings. Your kid will be an undergrad and here are some considerations:

1. UVA has an undergrad business program, which you apply to as an undergrad for the last two years. Duke actually does not have any undergrad business.

2. Not sure what law has to do with it. Law isn't an undergrad major and if you want to go to a good law school, get a good LSAT score and a good GPA in anything.

But UVA offers an Honors seminar program in politics (if you can get into it) and a major in Politics, Philosophy and the Law. It's law school is one of the most selective in the nation. My DS's roommate got into Duke Law but not UVA.

So what?

The PP says "not sure what law has to do with it . . Law isn't and undergrad major". PP was answering the question. Also, it's more difficult statistically to get into UVA law than Duke. UVA feeds into UVA Law.

Princeton doesn't have a law school so those poor bastard undergraduates stand no change of going to law school.

I know you are being sarcastic but Princeton grads do have a problem with that because of PRinceton's grade deflation. the T-14 law schools are looking at GPA to report. They know Princeton grades hard but when it comes to taking someone with a 4.0 from a SLAC v. a 3.32 from Princeton, most schools trying to climb that rankings list will go with the 4.0.

I doubt that any schools have grade deflation. Princeton might have tougher grading than Brown (pretty much all schools have tougher grading than Brown), but still relatively high GPAs on average. Yale Law, which is generally considered the most selective law school, publishes periodically the undergraduate institutions of its students. Princeton was 3rd behind Yale and Harvard.

Google is your friend. Princeton has grade deflation. I have personal experience with it. https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/10/end-grade-deflation-princeton-university-inflation-as/310231/

Math is also your friend. What is the overall GPA trend below? What you are looking at was really an abandoned attempt to stem inflation. https://qz.com/277288/princeton-is-giving-up-ground-in-its-fight-against-grade-inflation/

1969 2.83
1971 2.94
1972 2.96
1973 2.99
1974 3.04
1975 3.04
1976 3.06
1977 3.09
1978 3.10
1979 3.12
1980 3.10
1981 3.10
1982 3.11
1983 3.11
1984 3.11
1985 3.12
1986 3.12
1987 3.16
1988 3.15
1989 3.16
1990 3.17
1991 3.19
1992 3.21
1993 3.22
1994 3.25
1995 3.26
1997 3.34
1998 3.33
1999 3.35
2000 3.37
2001 3.36
2002 3.38
2003 3.35
2004 3.34
2005 3.29
2006 3.28
2007 3.28
2008 3.29
2009 3.28
2010 3.29
2011 3.29
2012 3.31
2013 3.32
2014 3.39

And all of those GPAs are lower than almost all other universities in the nation. You want to get into a T-14 law school? You need a 3.6 or higher.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand what you are saying about business and law school rankings. Your kid will be an undergrad and here are some considerations:

1. UVA has an undergrad business program, which you apply to as an undergrad for the last two years. Duke actually does not have any undergrad business.

2. Not sure what law has to do with it. Law isn't an undergrad major and if you want to go to a good law school, get a good LSAT score and a good GPA in anything.

But UVA offers an Honors seminar program in politics (if you can get into it) and a major in Politics, Philosophy and the Law. It's law school is one of the most selective in the nation. My DS's roommate got into Duke Law but not UVA.

So what?

The PP says "not sure what law has to do with it . . Law isn't and undergrad major". PP was answering the question. Also, it's more difficult statistically to get into UVA law than Duke. UVA feeds into UVA Law.

Princeton doesn't have a law school so those poor bastard undergraduates stand no change of going to law school.

I know you are being sarcastic but Princeton grads do have a problem with that because of PRinceton's grade deflation. the T-14 law schools are looking at GPA to report. They know Princeton grades hard but when it comes to taking someone with a 4.0 from a SLAC v. a 3.32 from Princeton, most schools trying to climb that rankings list will go with the 4.0.

I doubt that any schools have grade deflation. Princeton might have tougher grading than Brown (pretty much all schools have tougher grading than Brown), but still relatively high GPAs on average. Yale Law, which is generally considered the most selective law school, publishes periodically the undergraduate institutions of its students. Princeton was 3rd behind Yale and Harvard.

Google is your friend. Princeton has grade deflation. I have personal experience with it. https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/10/end-grade-deflation-princeton-university-inflation-as/310231/

Math is also your friend. What is the overall GPA trend below? What you are looking at was really an abandoned attempt to stem inflation. https://qz.com/277288/princeton-is-giving-up-ground-in-its-fight-against-grade-inflation/

1969 2.83
1971 2.94
1972 2.96
1973 2.99
1974 3.04
1975 3.04
1976 3.06
1977 3.09
1978 3.10
1979 3.12
1980 3.10
1981 3.10
1982 3.11
1983 3.11
1984 3.11
1985 3.12
1986 3.12
1987 3.16
1988 3.15
1989 3.16
1990 3.17
1991 3.19
1992 3.21
1993 3.22
1994 3.25
1995 3.26
1997 3.34
1998 3.33
1999 3.35
2000 3.37
2001 3.36
2002 3.38
2003 3.35
2004 3.34
2005 3.29
2006 3.28
2007 3.28
2008 3.29
2009 3.28
2010 3.29
2011 3.29
2012 3.31
2013 3.32
2014 3.39

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Anonymous wrote:PP here. Plus how do you know exactly who your kid's friends are hanging out with after high school anyway? That's odd.

Because my kid says "I'm glad I'm going to XYZ University and one of the reasons is all the new interesting people I've met from all over the place. When I check Instagram I can't even tell that my friends from UVA went to college because their pictures look exactly like the ones they had in high school."

But that doesn't mean anything with regard to the whole school. UVA has 34% OOS and international students. Duke admits 1600 while UVA admits 3800. So each year there are 1300 OOS and international students at UVA. A UVA student from Virginia has the same opportunity to meet new interesting people.

+ 1 DC at UVA is sharing an apartment with one international student, one California student, and a New Yorker. All different economic classes. Only one other student from his high school is there but they don't hang out.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand what you are saying about business and law school rankings. Your kid will be an undergrad and here are some considerations:

1. UVA has an undergrad business program, which you apply to as an undergrad for the last two years. Duke actually does not have any undergrad business.

2. Not sure what law has to do with it. Law isn't an undergrad major and if you want to go to a good law school, get a good LSAT score and a good GPA in anything.

But UVA offers an Honors seminar program in politics (if you can get into it) and a major in Politics, Philosophy and the Law. It's law school is one of the most selective in the nation. My DS's roommate got into Duke Law but not UVA.

So what?

The PP says "not sure what law has to do with it . . Law isn't and undergrad major". PP was answering the question. Also, it's more difficult statistically to get into UVA law than Duke. UVA feeds into UVA Law.

Princeton doesn't have a law school so those poor bastard undergraduates stand no change of going to law school.

I know you are being sarcastic but Princeton grads do have a problem with that because of PRinceton's grade deflation. the T-14 law schools are looking at GPA to report. They know Princeton grades hard but when it comes to taking someone with a 4.0 from a SLAC v. a 3.32 from Princeton, most schools trying to climb that rankings list will go with the 4.0.

I doubt that any schools have grade deflation. Princeton might have tougher grading than Brown (pretty much all schools have tougher grading than Brown), but still relatively high GPAs on average. Yale Law, which is generally considered the most selective law school, publishes periodically the undergraduate institutions of its students. Princeton was 3rd behind Yale and Harvard.

Google is your friend. Princeton has grade deflation. I have personal experience with it. https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/10/end-grade-deflation-princeton-university-inflation-as/310231/

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Anonymous wrote:Coach K heard about this thread and he's furious.





Tony Bennett isn't mad, just hopes everyone is happy in the end.

I'd go to UVA just for Tony Bennett!

And because you weren't accepted at Duke.

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Anonymous wrote:PP here. Plus how do you know exactly who your kid's friends are hanging out with after high school anyway? That's odd.

Because my kid says "I'm glad I'm going to XYZ University and one of the reasons is all the new interesting people I've met from all over the place. When I check Instagram I can't even tell that my friends from UVA went to college because their pictures look exactly like the ones they had in high school."

How proud you must be to have raised a self-righteous twit.

Anonymous wrote:Coach K heard about this thread and he's furious.





Tony Bennett isn't mad, just hopes everyone is happy in the end.

I'd go to UVA just for Tony Bennett!

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand what you are saying about business and law school rankings. Your kid will be an undergrad and here are some considerations:

1. UVA has an undergrad business program, which you apply to as an undergrad for the last two years. Duke actually does not have any undergrad business.

2. Not sure what law has to do with it. Law isn't an undergrad major and if you want to go to a good law school, get a good LSAT score and a good GPA in anything.

But UVA offers an Honors seminar program in politics (if you can get into it) and a major in Politics, Philosophy and the Law. It's law school is one of the most selective in the nation. My DS's roommate got into Duke Law but not UVA.

So what?

The PP says "not sure what law has to do with it . . Law isn't and undergrad major". PP was answering the question. Also, it's more difficult statistically to get into UVA law than Duke. UVA feeds into UVA Law.

Princeton doesn't have a law school so those poor bastard undergraduates stand no change of going to law school.

I know you are being sarcastic but Princeton grads do have a problem with that because of PRinceton's grade deflation. the T-14 law schools are looking at GPA to report. They know Princeton grades hard but when it comes to taking someone with a 4.0 from a SLAC v. a 3.32 from Princeton, most schools trying to climb that rankings list will go with the 4.0.

I doubt that any schools have grade deflation. Princeton might have tougher grading than Brown (pretty much all schools have tougher grading than Brown), but still relatively high GPAs on average. Yale Law, which is generally considered the most selective law school, publishes periodically the undergraduate institutions of its students. Princeton was 3rd behind Yale and Harvard.

I'm glad that kids are branching out at UVA. It may be a plus that they like their high school friends and want to keep hanging out with them. No need to get so defensive there Hoos.

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Anonymous wrote:PP here. Plus how do you know exactly who your kid's friends are hanging out with after high school anyway? That's odd.

Because my kid says "I'm glad I'm going to XYZ University and one of the reasons is all the new interesting people I've met from all over the place. When I check Instagram I can't even tell that my friends from UVA went to college because their pictures look exactly like the ones they had in high school."

But that doesn't mean anything with regard to the whole school. UVA has 34% OOS and international students. Duke admits 1600 while UVA admits 3800. So each year there are 1300 OOS and international students at UVA. A UVA student from Virginia has the same opportunity to meet new interesting people.